Lunacy On The High Seas...

[rachamim18]

Panda: While I appreciate your intellectual accumen, as always, guess again. Halper is despicable because he devotes himself to a non-existent issue (Punative Demolitions which ceased in 2005) and like most so called "Revisonists" and the hard Jewish left tries to gain publicity by any means possible. Instead of flying home from Cyprus, he chose to try and antognise IDF by crossing at Erez, an act he realised full well was illegal. How do I know he realised it? Aside from hios saying so in umpteenth interviews before trying to cross, it says as much in English, Arabic, and Hebrew at Erez as you approach the position up the Access Road. Hucksters come a dime a dozen.

You are correct though that I too am a law breaker. After all, as an opiate addict I am illegal in most places simply for existing and yet I do not need to antagonise others with this illegality. Halper sadly feels he needs to.

 

[Brainaddict]

My god, what a catalogue of intellectual dishonesty.

You'll note btw that I said the nation state was a 'largely' European form that didn't spread to 'much of the world'. I'm aware of the states (such as Ethiopia) that predated European colonialism. They are still the exception rather than the rule. Your claim that Palestinians didn't have an awareness of themselves as a 'nation' prior to the mid twentieth century is still pretty much irrelevant.

As I said, the point is, who called that land home? Answer: a mixture of different ethnicities and religious groups, the majority of whom where arab - and the majority of the arabs were muslim.

But I don't know why I'm bothering to argue with you.

 

[nino_savatte]

This is pretty typical of his diversionary tendencies.

Usually, when one takes a course in Mid-East Studies they will be told that Mid-East Nationalism is rooted in the Young Turk mentality of the very late 19th and very early 20th Centuries of the Common Era (AD) and that the Turks copped it from Europeans they came into contact with... While City-States were the rule of thumb, Israel and Judea were nations before the English language was even a dream. Nations like Persia, Lydia, and the sort existed long, long, long ago.

But he also doesn't miss the opportunity to engage in a little historical revisionism. This is breast-beating jingoism at its best. Mussolini would be green with envy at this sort of nationalistic posturing.

 

[T & P]

Noone imagines all 7.2m Israelis to be terrorists although, if one observes their media or school curriculum they could not be balmed for thinking that.

Corrected that for you.

 

[rover07]

balmed????

embalmed surely...

 

[nino_savatte]

I am ignorant? Look, unlike 99% of the people in this forum I am actually copnnected to both the history and present circumstances of that land and region. I also am well educated. I do not try and pretend to be a master of physics, and indeed you are partially correct in that I concentrate my knowledge in certain narrow areas. Specifically, the Mid-East. It is certainly your perogative to find me ignorant but I have found that the people saying this are merely trying to deflect attention away from their own inadequacies.

For someone who is "well educated", you have a serious problem with the word "semantics".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Panda: While I appreciate your intellectual accumen, as always, guess again. Halper is despicable because he devotes himself to a non-existent issue (Punative Demolitions which ceased in 2005) and like most so called "Revisonists" and the hard Jewish left tries to gain publicity by any means possible.

Let me get this straight: An issue that ceased in 2005 (by your own words) is "non-existent"?
If it ceased in 2005 then it isn't "non-existent", what it is, is historical with effects in the present.

Instead of flying home from Cyprus, he chose to try and antognise IDF by crossing at Erez, an act he realised full well was illegal. How do I know he realised it? Aside from hios saying so in umpteenth interviews before trying to cross, it says as much in English, Arabic, and Hebrew at Erez as you approach the position up the Access Road. Hucksters come a dime a dozen.

So what? He's a huckster for his position, you're a huckster for yours. You differ only in your politics.

You are correct though that I too am a law breaker. After all, as an opiate addict I am illegal in most places simply for existing and yet I do not need to antagonise others with this illegality. Halper sadly feels he needs to.

Nothing to do with you being an opiate addict, sport (I've been dependent on prescription opiates from codeine phosphate to morphine sulphate myself for over 25 years). Everything to do with you claiming to have been incarcerated, as I said above (do you actually bother to read posts properly, or do you just skim them?).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Solid reasoning so far.

I happen to think so.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Rachamim, "ignorance" and being "well-educated" aren't mutually exclusive, something I'd have thought a person as well-educated as yourself would be aware of.

Perhaps though, you do know this and were attempting to garner sympathy by playing at feeling insulted, eh?

 

[XerxesVargas]

Why would you imagine that I meant this forum was devoted to news items without comment? Talk about reading into things. I understand taking things in context and all that but I have no idea where you got that idea.

Of course people offer opinions or factual rebuttals, etc. on every thread, or should anyway. However, the iniating post requies an actual subject.

I would imagine that because the opening post on this thread is just a plainly biased account of an event that we could all read about on a news site. You aren't making a point or asking a question, just stating some (distorted) facts.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Oh weaver of colourful tales, pray tell, what history do I erase? Please help us to learn Nino, I beg you. When was the nation of "Palestine" founded? Who was its first leader? When was ANY Arab Nation founded there?

"Weaver of colourful tales"? Wtf?

Nations exist primarily in the mind; they are imagined places in the sense that need to be constructed. In this sense, nations do not require leaders, all that they require is a set of ideals and principles by which they can be identified (as well as a shared sense of culture).

Again, you're attempting to make some claim that Palestinians don't exist because of some imagined historical anomaly.

 

[rachamim18]

Brain: "Does not know why he is even arguing with Rachamim...": Um, maybe because you have found out you were wrong? Now you feel the need to seek revalidation? The choice is yours, means little to me.


Your current post was just redundant, no offence, but no new info.


TP: "7.2 Israelis.": First, I was referring to Muslim Israelis and secondly, even as totoal figure 7.2 is far off as to be worthless. We still have not broken 7 million. Perhaps you are confusing non-resident populations like Gazans, etc in your tally. Ytu again. The MFA has up the date census reports so you should not have to search all that far.
ACTUALLY, just rereading your post and the factoid concerned the population of Gaza. Do you mean to suggest that more than 7 million people live in Gaza? They could not even fit on Gaza but that is for you to clarify. Maybe you were tired or something.


Nino: I am well edcuateed indeed, just not in my native language. I would like to see you gain a BS and almost a Masters in Arabic. Let me know if you ever do. Englisg is considered by most to be the most difficult language to master and yet I have made do enough to retire from an English speaking job as well
as well as communicate with such fun people like yourself.

 

[rachamim18]

Xerxes: Evidently this has escapedyou but the artciles' having been poisted was directly whin the forum;s mission statement. The brouhaha stems from moi, the OP. Great to be loved.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: I am well edcuateed indeed, just not in my native language. I would like to see you gain a BS and almost a Masters in Arabic. Let me know if you ever do. Englisg is considered by most to be the most difficult language to master and yet I have made do enough to retire from an English speaking job as well
as well as communicate with such fun people like yourself.

For some who claims to be "well educated" you still have trouble with words like "semantics". Now you're claiming to have a "Masters" in Arabic...

Any other Masters degrees you'd like to tell us about?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: You misunderstand my post. Admittedly it may be ambiguous but I have no degree in Arabic whatsoever. It is merely my birth language. I spoke it first and probably speak it 4th best at the moment (Hebrew, Aramaic, Yiddish, and then Arabic in terms of my proficiency). My asnalogy was thus: I gained my degree and academic work in the English language. Since Arabic is my first, I challenge you who are a native English speaker to have taken your higher education (when you are older and IF you take one, after all the petrol filling station just might end up boring you one of these days, I know the bells and whistles captivate your very inquisitive mind but...), to gain a degree in Arabic! Is that clearer dear?

Any other "Masters?" My wife promised not to tell!!! Damn! To heck with it!~ Now I will return the whips and chains!!! Hmmmph!

 

[nino_savatte]

Have a look at your last post. You said that you "almost had a masters degree in Arabic". Did you drop out? Or are you bullshitting again?

You moan and bitch about "ad homs" and being "insulted" but, because you're a hypocrite and a liar, you don't even notice when you're dishing it out.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: AGAIN: I just reread it AGAIN and it can be read the way you see it, but can also be read the way I meant it and since I have explained it thus, your further arguing is nothing but you being you...and thankyou for that!

I challenged you to obtain my level of education in the Arabic language since I as an Arabic speaker obtained said level in your English language. Hope you are no longer confused.

 

[nino_savatte]

So any other degrees that you want to tell us abut? Any honorary doctorates?

 

[Dandred]

LoL, another thread were urban 75 can laugh at rachamim18

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Nope. I might go back to school though and try to best my wife who is on her second. I only have one and not even a doctorate at that. I will be sure to let you, my erstwhile biographer know well ahead of time. I think Mid-East Studies would be grand and an easy go but unfortunately would have to leave this nation again because to my knwoeldge it is unavailable. Have to check Manila though, with the large Muslim minority it just might be a go.

Dandred: Glad to be of service.

 

[Dhimmi]

I'm perturbed to see such disrespect towards a shoah survivor from an Israeli. Shame on you.

 

[rachamim18]

Dhimmi: "Surviving" something does not award one respect. I personally survived combat in 4 wars and my late mum survived HaShoah (as did her cousins who everafter considered her as a daughter to make up for their dead one , and to SORT OF replace my mum;s dead parents). Neither she nor I (OR THEM) were particularly deserving of respect for either of our collective experiences. People deserve respect, to my thinking, by their positive actions, not passivity. My mum did not opt for her experience, either did I when one comes down to it.

I would hope that you are well aware that SOME people who endured the Holocaust actually assisted their tormentors in brutalising their compatriots. Are they then automatically deserving of respect in your mind?

 

[Dhimmi]

I would hope that you are well aware that SOME people who endured the Holocaust actually assisted their tormentors in brutalising their compatriots.

I had no idea your family was involved in such nefarious acts. Shame runs in the family then.

 

[rachamim18]

Dhimmi: Hahah, no not in my family, not to my knowledge. Fair to say you can rule my family out since we live amidst well known Jewish Communities and after the war such collaborators, SonderKommando and Kapos as they were called, were actively hunted to the death by both Jew and non-Jew alike. The difference being that even today we still hunt the few elderly remnants left slive. Had anyone in my line been involved we would have known years ago. It is a small world with only 14 million Jews.