Loyalism`s rage against the fading light of Britishness

[revol68]

just out of interest cemeterytone when the fuck was the last time you where in northern ireland and spoke to grassroots republicans? Or have you just met the well trained ones who can hide their bigotry a bit better?


Of course your correct, I was just being paranoid when i read into "you hun loving wee cunt, fuck off to scotland" or the very nice K A H down the road from where I live? I suppouse it's actually some punk grafitti Kill All Hippies and not KIll All Huns?

 

[gurrier]

An awful lot of working class catholics in the wee north equate working class protestants with loyalism. For all sorts of blood-drenched reasons, few people anywhere in the world shed tears when people who are seen to be loyalists get a hard time. Due to the sectarian topology of power in the wee north, very few people are interested in challenging the working class prod = loyalist equation. In reality, of course, it is much more complicated than that. While most working class prods are influenced by loyalism to a greater or lesser extent, many of them undoubtedly despise the paramilitaries who prey upon them. On the other hand, while working class prod politics remains under the influence of loyalist ideas, it is very difficult to see them managing to break catholic workers away from the cynical nationalist politicians who are more than happy for 'the other side' to get a kicking from the state forces who they have spent their careers attacking.

The really difficult question is how to build influence for non-loyalist politics in protestant working class areas when the UDA and UVF seem to be allowed to police these areas with impunity. As far as I know, most prod leftists don't even live in prod areas due to health risks.

 

[Idris2002]

1. I saw a post on another board (details available on request) saying that Newton Emerson (vengeance will be mine) wrote in his Irish News column today that papers showing that loyalist communities do actually get a decent shake where funding is concerned had been suppressed. Can't actually check that as the IN site is pay-per-view.

2. According to this piece in the Irish Examiner Peter Hain is going to bring back devolution once the IMC gives the all-clear where provie violence is concerned. Looks like the train is leaving the station.

3. gurrier - I think there was an independent labour councillor in the loyalist Rathcoole estate for years, but he retired a couple of years back (or maybe at the last election?). Don't know if he lived in the estate, but I didn't hear of him not, though.

 

[revol68]

the independent labour candidate was Mark Langhamer and as far as I know he's still going.

 

[oi2002]

NI latest: Unionists are like Nazis says priest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4337068.stm

It's like something off Father Ted.

Some folks in Baveria are going very offended by this.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Re Fr Reid story from the beeb...
Did anyone notice this bit...

Former Presbyterian moderator the Reverend Ken Newell, one of the organisers of the meeting, said Fr Reid's comments had to be seen in the context "where things were said to him which I think were below the belt".

That's not subtext. It's there in black and white.

 

[revol68]

yeah so he was taking a lot of shit.......

but he obviously held such daft beleifs somewhere, i mean it's not like that kind of repsonse pops into your head from nothing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course your correct, I was just being paranoid when i read into "you hun loving wee cunt, fuck off to scotland" or the very nice K A H down the road from where I live? I suppouse it's actually some punk grafitti Kill All Hippies and not KIll All Huns?

haven't we been through this hunnish bit before?

 

[revol68]

yes but i don't think anyone can doubt that in this context it is a sectarian name for a protestant.

 

[gurrier]

yes but i don't think anyone can doubt that in this context it is a sectarian name for a protestant.

I do doubt that. I think it's a reference to a loyalist. By the extension I've mentioned above, it's also used as a sectarian reference to all working class protestants. However, I've never heard anybody describing protestant professionals, for example, as "hun". It comes from the simplification of
rangers fan = working class prod = loyalist, but I don't think most people would understand it to include all protestants.

 

[DexterTCN]

NI latest: Unionists are like Nazis says priest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4337068.stm

It's like something off Father Ted.

In Father Ted the priests were the nazis.

 

[revol68]

see this just shows how much you understand about the north.

hun is a generic term for all prods in the north, it has fuck all to do with class. And despite your nice little narrative of how it has come into use, i would suggest that infact it's use by scottish football fans is infact just a slightly bastardised of it's usage in the north.

And Kill Alll Huns, is referring to one loyalist? which one? I think you'll find it relates to all prods.

Anyway if you are who i think you aren't your only experiances in the north from being in Derry?

 

[newharper]

Some folks in Baveria are going very offended by this.

Or have an identity crisis.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

yeah so he was taking a lot of shit.......

but he obviously held such daft beleifs somewhere, i mean it's not like that kind of repsonse pops into your head from nothing.

It was a kneejerk reaction in a heated dispute.
Things get heated here (I've went through 3 monitors in as many months ), but we have the advantage of the preview button. Not available to someone in a heated exchange in what was by all accounts, a hostile environment.

You never blurted out somthing you later regret in an argument with your friends/family?

 

[revol68]

yes but not a political position with all it's implications and certainly not in such contentious setting.

 

[gurrier]

hun is a generic term for all prods in the north, it has fuck all to do with class. And despite your nice little narrative of how it has come into use, i would suggest that infact it's use by scottish football fans is infact just a slightly bastardised of it's usage in the north.

In my experience other insults are always used to refer to 'posh prods'. Hun, as I've heard it used, has a sense of savagery and brutality about it - a bestial mass of subhumans, which is how many protestant working class areas are viewed by catholics. Popular nationalist stereotypes of posh prods are that they are humourless, bigoted, stuck up, superior and so on, not the type of things that are conjured up by 'hun'.

And Kill Alll Huns, is referring to one loyalist? which one? I think you'll find it relates to all prods.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always understood it to refer to working class prods.

Anyway if you are who i think you aren't your only experiances in the north from being in Derry?

No. I am unfortunate enough to be able to base my experiences in the north on a large number of godawful kips.

 

[revol68]

oh fuck don't tell me you've stayed in my house and that i actually like you outside of binary?

and no, hun is just an across the board insult. Your correct that there are different sterotypes for class but hun is general.

 

[john x]

yes but i don't think anyone can doubt that in this context it is a sectarian name for a protestant.

Of course it is. And who do you think sprays 'Kill All Huns' on walls? I think you'll find it's dissaffected youth and stupid kids who hate republicans as much as Loyalists.

john x

 

[hibee]

In my experience other insults are always used to refer to 'posh prods'. Hun, as I've heard it used, has a sense of savagery and brutality about it - a bestial mass of subhumans, which is how many protestant working class areas are viewed by catholics. Popular nationalist stereotypes of posh prods are that they are humourless, bigoted, stuck up, superior and so on, not the type of things that are conjured up by 'hun'.

Donald Findlay's not a hun?

 

[cathal marcs]

Donald Findlay's not a hun?

Wanker will suffice.

 

[revol68]

Of course it is. And who do you think sprays 'Kill All Huns' on walls? I think you'll find it's dissaffected youth and stupid kids who hate republicans as much as Loyalists.

john x

are you fucking serious? The wee fuckers might not have involved themselves in close readings of Pearse or Wolfetone but they certainly support the republican movement, albeit in a very crude manner, unfortunately despite what the mouth pieces of republicanism claim it is a sectarian politic movement and it's communal approach to politics only serves to fuel such bigotry.

 

[oi2002]

I see that eigit Fr Alec Reid is now claiming with certainty PIRA were not behind the Northern Bank Robbery cause Gerry told him so. Alright son? And smokey bacon pringles transmute into the body of christ in Gerry's prescense perhaps?

They should have picked someone with a little more critical capability than this bigoted old loon to oversee the PIRA armastice.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

I see that eigit Fr Alec Reid is now claiming with certainty PIRA were not behind the Northern Bank Robbery cause Gerry told him so. Alright son? And smokey bacon pringles transmute into the body of christ in Gerry's prescense perhaps?

They should have picked someone with a little more critical capability than this bigoted old loon to oversee the PIRA armastice.

Good. I think I'll start going to chapel again.

 

[cemertyone]

just out of interest cemeterytone when the fuck was the last time you where in northern ireland and spoke to grassroots republicans? Or have you just met the well trained ones who can hide their bigotry a bit better?


Of course your correct, I was just being paranoid when i read into "you hun loving wee cunt, fuck off to scotland" or the very nice K A H down the road from where I live? I suppouse it's actually some punk grafitti Kill All Hippies and not KIll All Huns?

Gosh from the top down..then shall we...
Seeing as my sister is a S.F. representitve it was yesterday that i spoke to those "grass-root republicans" that you speak off..is that recent enough for you i wonder revol68?...Am i aware that there`s an element within the republican movement that thinks along the lines you argue about...YES..but its tiny my friend and has no political base or any real support.
Do i want the unionist communtiy to " fuck off" some where else....no way.We need those proda for their protestant work ethic.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

For those of you who might not be of a sharper nature...
That last sentence by our cem was tongue in cheek.


Long live the Loyalist hatred of loyalists!!!
Fuck the pope an' all that ya bass!!!
Fanta know's his stuff,