travellerlife
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The spirit of Apartheid without the bad PR, the best description I have read yet.
Louis Theroux - Law And Disorder In Johannesburg BBC2
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The spirit of Apartheid without the bad PR, the best description I have read yet.
Bajie
Zhu Bajie
The problem is SA was probably always like this, because the police force was there to protect the apartheid gouverment, never for the people. So as long as you did not threaten white people you could do whatever the fuck you wanted.
Ross Kemp on his 'gangs' programe did an episode about SA prison gangs, who have been around for a long, long time. They are truely scary lot.
Ross Kemp on his 'gangs' programe did an episode about SA prison gangs, who have been around for a long, long time. They are truely scary lot.
travellerlife
Well-Known Member
The police are still protecting a state with statutory racial discrimination and classification, and yet that is accepted by the rest of the world. Where is the outrage at this ? If you want to stop discrimination, stop discriminating, a simple concept but one lost on many.
The elite have merely changed colour, the rest are not seeing much of anything, besides crime, rampant HIV and a slow decline into an African country stereotype.
editor
hiraethified
It was a really good piece of reportage and his faux-innocent style means that he can get people to open up and incriminate themselves all over the place. I think he's a brilliant documentary maker if a tad irritating at times.
As has been said before, he must have had balls of steel to go to some of the places he went to.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I watched the first one recently and how it reminded me of Brazil. 
Poverty and unemployment driving people to crime, petty crime, and then those poor people getting beaten up - and sometimes killed.
And they want to get rid of the welfare system in the UK?
I know which is the more sensible, humane option
Poverty and unemployment driving people to crime, petty crime, and then those poor people getting beaten up - and sometimes killed.
And they want to get rid of the welfare system in the UK?
I know which is the more sensible, humane option
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hiraethified
If you thought the Philly one was bad, wait until you see the Johannesburg one. It's unbelievably grim.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
that's the one I was talking about, with the hijacked buildings and the private security.
I felt sick at the end when that poor man got kicked in the head...
going to watch the second one when I get a chance.
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hiraethified
Ah, OK. That was the second show. The Philly one was first (and that was depressing enough too).
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
oh, I see! I watched it on iplayer so that was the one on the front page. Need to watch the first one then
david dissadent
New Member
This is how life in the townships always was, its only that since the end of apparthied whites have been exposed to it so it gets a bit of media coverage.
Cry the beloved country.
Cry the beloved country.
I finally caught this show tonight. Fair play to him for having the guts to go and do this.
Re. apartheid and post-apartheid being specifically to blame, or this being a recent thing: I don't agree. Stuff like this also goes on in many places without the same history...
...without wanting to pick on Africa, a lot of these things have been going on for a long time in many African countries. Ironically South Africa is theoretically one of the best off countries - hence many people migrating there from neighbouring countries. It is kind of weird that sometimes a country getting richer doesn't guarantee less crime - for example see the murder rates in some parts of Mexico or Brazil, which are maybe the two richer Latin American countries.
There have been times during UK history when the crime/murder rate was also very high:
"Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340's showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people. Studies of London in the first half of the 14th century determined a homicide rate of 36 to 52 per 100,000 people per year." link (although maybe a lot more people died from what today would be medically treatable wounds?)
Compare this with, South Africa 38.6
homicide rates
Doesn't seem like there are any easy answers although the fact that international lists seem to be headed up by central american/caribbean countries suggests that the cocaine trade has something to do with it in that region at least at least.
Re. apartheid and post-apartheid being specifically to blame, or this being a recent thing: I don't agree. Stuff like this also goes on in many places without the same history...
...without wanting to pick on Africa, a lot of these things have been going on for a long time in many African countries. Ironically South Africa is theoretically one of the best off countries - hence many people migrating there from neighbouring countries. It is kind of weird that sometimes a country getting richer doesn't guarantee less crime - for example see the murder rates in some parts of Mexico or Brazil, which are maybe the two richer Latin American countries.
There have been times during UK history when the crime/murder rate was also very high:
"Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340's showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people. Studies of London in the first half of the 14th century determined a homicide rate of 36 to 52 per 100,000 people per year." link (although maybe a lot more people died from what today would be medically treatable wounds?)
Compare this with, South Africa 38.6
homicide rates
Doesn't seem like there are any easy answers although the fact that international lists seem to be headed up by central american/caribbean countries suggests that the cocaine trade has something to do with it in that region at least at least.
