Loughborough Junction Station to close?

[lang rabbie]

I think it is all because Network Rail have to assume a minimum braking distance between signals, and the approaches to as a station normally have two signals. Googling for some uber-spoddish references - how does "Mathematics and Railway Signalling" grab you? - suggests that for a 60mph line speed there needs to be 1065metres between signals. (A very British conflation of metric and imperial measures there!)

So there is probably a trade-off between train speed and the number of stops they can make. I don't know what speed Thameslink services currently reach between Elephant and Loughborough Junction. But would people really complain if the line was limited to 30 or 40mph?

 

[prunus]

I think it is all because Network Rail have to assume a minimum braking distance between signals, and the approaches to as a station normally have two signals. Googling for some uber-spoddish references - how does "Mathematics and Railway Signalling" grab you? - suggests that for a 60mph line speed there needs to be 1065metres between signals. (A very British conflation of metric and imperial measures there!)

So there is probably a trade-off between train speed and the number of stops they can make. I don't know what speed Thameslink services currently reach between Elephant and Loughborough Junction. But would people really complain if the line was limited to 30 or 40mph?

Let me see, a drop in maximum speed of (say) 30 mph for the approx. 3/4 of a mile between LJ and the new camberwell station means an extra 45 seconds on the journey (assuming that the train is usually at max speed for that whole section, which it isn't anyway); I think I could cope with that in order to keep the station open.

 

[corporate whore]

I think it is all because Network Rail have to assume a minimum braking distance between signals, and the approaches to as a station normally have two signals.

Doesn't explain the 40 meter hop between Blackfriars and City Thameslink..

While I agree there's gotta be scope for both LJ and Camberwell to exist, given how rammed Thameslink gets before it reaches LJ of a morning, without extra train capacity very few people would manage to get on at Camberwell

 

[hipipol]

Open them all back up

http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/
I'd advise them to have a wee peek at what used to exist on this line and open more than one station up again.
An extra min or so travelling time will piss no one off.
TFLs plans for the East London line also wish to re-use track space (Canada Water to Old Kent Road running behind the Millwall ground) that was closed in 1916 - wartime savings etc (which also closed the spur to Moorgate from Blackfriars thru the Snow Hill tunnel - cant be reopned its got fucking tower block in in its palce now ) so no reason why we cant have it back.


PS the site above is full of ace exploring stuff, aye walk that line boyo!

 

[PacificOcean]

An extra min or so travelling tim...well and Walworth wouldn't be able to get on.

 

[Dan U]

this is a really stupid idea.

more public transport not less ffs!

tbh though so much get's floated as an idea that doesn't happen.

and Zenie - Denmark Hill is on a different line to the trains that stop @ L Jcn i think. It is served by Thameslinks and the odd South Eastern train from Blackfriars.

 

[Dan U]

People in the new/old stations of Camberwell and Walworth wouldn't be able to get on.

When the Eurostar leaves Waterloo in Autumn it would be nice to see if South Central use the freed up track time to run more services from Bromley to Victoria and Blackfriars (only served in rush hour at the moment)

 

[davesgcr]

Eurostar dep this year gives 2 extra per hour Beckenham Jct to Victoria giving a 15 min frequency on this section - the rest is being considered with numerous wet towels on heads in the South London Rus at the moment.

Not an easy job I assure you ....

 

[hipipol]

Rush hours

I agree their is a bottle neck in the form of the snowhill tunnel for the Thameslink trains - it drops to two tracks, however Blackfriars/City Tlink and Farringdon are very close together, no signal probs for railtrack to whine about, trains rarelt above 25k between them I suspect.
There are 3 platforms at Blackfriars, often devoid of trains - even at peak periods so it would be pos to run services into there. In the morning currently there are rarely seats avail at LJ, however, large nos also get off at Elephant.
So increase no of trains add Camberwell at least for a start, should be good

 

[happyshopper]

Better service needed from Brixton Network Rail Station

... 2 extra per hour Beckenham Jct to Victoria giving a 15 min frequency on this section ...

Just as long as they stop at Brixton. An overground service every 15 minutes to Victoria, as well as out to south east London would be great.

 

[teuchter]

Just as long as they stop at Brixton. An overground service every 15 minutes to Victoria, as well as out to south east London would be great.

It would be.

 

[PacificOcean]

Just as long as they stop at Brixton. An overground service every 15 minutes to Victoria, as well as out to south east London would be great.

I have never understood why Brixton BR station has such a poor service, considering how busy the Victoria line is and considering that no buses go directly to South East London from Brixton.