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Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

irf520

Well-Known Member
So people, what things have you already done this week, that you couldn't have done while the closures were in, that have made your life better?
Drove the entire length of LR all the way from CHL to Jamm this morning on the way to work. It was like the return of an old friend :)
 

SpamMisery

Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
I'm looking forward to seeing this evening if they've remembered to take the 500 watt light bulbs out of the poles (the 8 foot tall ones which just had their 'no entry' red circles removed). Those have been lighting my flat for me all night and it will be a real joy when they're gone.
Surely you've made a killing not having to light your own flat?!! Jeesh, some people are never happy
 

critical1

All views expressed are definitely my own.
Could be better used as car parks?
Don't you mean a Multistorey Bike Park, those overcrowded monsters. That when when you get back, some antisocial cyclist has crammed their bike in where it doesn't belong and you have to fight to get yours out. Hate it!
 

bimble

noisy but small
Don't you mean a Multistorey Bike Park, those overcrowded monsters. That when when you get back, some antisocial cyclist has crammed their bike in where it doesn't belong and you have to fight to get yours out. Hate it!
Sorry that was probably me, with my big middle class wicker basket and everything. ;)
 

LadyV

Well-Known Member
Wasn't it you who said they felt "kettled"?

Did you feel less "kettled" this morning?

I'm keen to know what being un-kettled has opened up for you.
Well, see this is the thing, I did say that but I didn't feel all that kettled tbh but I think that was due to the crappy implementation. I used to live over in Peckham on a street that was blocked and you had to go completely round the houses to get anywhere if you weren't on foot and I thought it would be like that, which was a little like being in a locked room that you can't escape from, it was one of the reasons I moved. But in that instance the road was completely blocked, not left open for buses etc.

So no I didn't feel less kettled yesterday or this morning but interestingly I also haven't seen a massive rise in traffic yesterday or today down LR so maybe the closure did do some good and get people using methods of transport.
 

critical1

All views expressed are definitely my own.
Feeling a bit grumpy here as the temporary lights at Ackerman Rd and Loughborough Rd are ABSOLUTELY FCUK amazing... They work like Penguins doing Swan Lake on drugs, totaly useless and uncoordinated. With h drivers and cyclists starting to ignore them.

Some idiot has also outside of Loughborough Primary school removed one a the children crossing signs by the Pelican crossing and twisted the other one so as to obscure it from the road!!! Who would do such a thing?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Compared to Matthew Bennett or Jane Edbrooke?
I do feel a bit sorry for Rachel. As someone said to me recently now she has gone off message she is being treated poorly by the ruling Cllrs such as the above.

Was at meeting recently where her and Edbrooke were present. No love lost there.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Well, see this is the thing, I did say that but I didn't feel all that kettled tbh but I think that was due to the crappy implementation. I used to live over in Peckham on a street that was blocked and you had to go completely round the houses to get anywhere if you weren't on foot and I thought it would be like that, which was a little like being in a locked room that you can't escape from, it was one of the reasons I moved. But in that instance the road was completely blocked, not left open for buses etc.

So no I didn't feel less kettled yesterday or this morning but interestingly I also haven't seen a massive rise in traffic yesterday or today down LR so maybe the closure did do some good and get people using methods of transport.
I saw the same on LR to my surprise. So wonder if there has been an effect.

As for Peckham. I think I know where you mean there is complicated one way system. Been that way for a while. Well that is the other alternative to outright closure. It was an alternative put to me by Loughborough estate resident. Make some roads one way only. To reduce traffic on roads around the estate.

It also around Camberwell. With a van driver recently who tried to take shortcut to by pass the junction at Camberwell green and it didnt work out.

These are all ways to reduce/ discourage traffic to use side roads and keep them on the main roads. As I have said before any alteration to roads to discourage traffic will get opposition.

So my concern is that with this scheme being scrapped no alternative will be brought forward. The car user lobby is more influential than one might imagine.

Had my van driver friend now complaining about the cycle highways. His view is that private car drivers should no longer use central London as they clog up roads for people like him.

Cycle ways are being upgraded and motorised traffic is losing space in central London. ie new one upgraded in Bloomsbury now both ways for cyclists leaving one way street for traffic. Some Councils are doing more schemes than Lambeth. All reduces car motor traffic in areas. Which does make them less dominated by cars. Which is good imo. Make London more pleasant place to be. The one in Bloomsbury is mixture of shops/ private and social housing.
 
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irf520

Well-Known Member
I do feel a bit sorry for Rachel. As someone said to me recently now she has gone off message she is being treated poorly by the ruling Cllrs such as the above.

Was at meeting recently where her and Edbrooke were present. No love lost there.
Integrity always incurs a cost. That's one of the reasons so few people have it.
 

teuchter

je suis teuchter
interestingly I also haven't seen a massive rise in traffic yesterday or today down LR so maybe the closure did do some good and get people using methods of transport.
It'll gradually return to previous levels I expect - will not be an immediate effect for the same reason that the traffic patterns took time to adjust when the closure went in.
 

LadyV

Well-Known Member
It'll gradually return to previous levels I expect - will not be an immediate effect for the same reason that the traffic patterns took time to adjust when the closure went in.
True true, would be nice if we could at least keep some of the reduction in traffic though
 

LadyV

Well-Known Member
As for Peckham. I think I know where you mean there is complicated one way system. Been that way for a while. Well that is the other alternative to outright closure. It was an alternative put to me by Loughborough estate resident. Make some roads one way only. To reduce traffic on roads around the estate.

I think looking at possibilities for one ways might be a good option and also a few more double yellows or CPZs on LR between Fiveways and Brixton Road. The CHL end of LR can cope with traffic but that section is a nightmare with the parked cars.

Cycle ways are being upgraded and motorised traffic is losing space in central London. ie new one upgraded in Bloomsbury now both ways for cyclists leaving one way street for traffic. Some Councils are doing more schemes than Lambeth. All reduces car motor traffic in areas. Which does make them less dominated by cars. Which is good imo. Make London more pleasant place to be. The one in Bloomsbury is mixture of shops/ private and social housing.
I work near Bloomsbury so I'm seeing those changes coming together, I think it's easier for Camden to get those through because although there are residential properties in the area, I would imagine car ownership levels are very low due to where they are. Plus add in the high numbers of students in the area means there are less people to consult.

Can I ask what your thoughts on the cycle super highways are? I was out with some friends last night who regularly cycle from Surrey into Central London and their comments were not that positive
 

teuchter

je suis teuchter
a few more double yellows or CPZs on LR between Fiveways and Brixton Road. The CHL end of LR can cope with traffic but that section is a nightmare with the parked cars.
What you are proposing is a measure to increase convenience to car drivers, and the traffic capacity of that section of road, and therefore increase the amount of traffic on LR. Is that what you want?

Or do you mean removing the parked cars and replacing them with dedicated cycle lanes, so that cyclists can benefit from being separated from the congestion caused by unecessary motor vehicle journeys?
 

Crispy

The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Can I ask what your thoughts on the cycle super highways are? I was out with some friends last night who regularly cycle from Surrey into Central London and their comments were not that positive
The old ones are a mixture of OK and Shite.

I join CS7 at Oval and follow it all the way to the City. There's very little dedicated infrastructure, and some places where you'd never believe there was a dedicated cycle route at all. Some favourite :facepalm: moments as captured on Google Streetview are:

this pinch point ahead of Elephant, which is always full of traffic and cyclists trapped in narrow gaps
then, just after that, there's a bus stop which forces weaving of bikes and buses. There's room for an island bus stop here, which would be a great help.
this isolated row of 8 terraced houses in Zone 1 getting on-street parking instead of a cycle lane.
this very busy junction has effectively zero improvements for cyclists. all the cycle lanes disappear. This is a common fault with all the "on-road" superhighways. They're all subservient to motor vehicles. Cars need a turning lane! Better stop the cycle lane then. >_<
tourist coach parking is more important than the cycle lane
so is motorbike parking. the road is really wide just before here, and this could easily be moved. sail across the bridge in the segregated lane and then....
good luck lol (good news is this junction will be on the new E/W superhighway so will be massively improved soon)

The new Oval junction is an absolute marvel and the whole route should be like that.

The new E/W and N/S routes are going to be fantastic. Actual proper segregated cycle infrastructure in the heart of London. More please :)
 

teuchter

je suis teuchter
The main problem with the older ones is that they can give you a false sense of security, for teh reasons that Crispy describes. It would make more sense to reserve the blue-coloured lanes for proper continuous segregated routes that aren't suddenly going to throw you into a complicated junction, or disappear, or weave you with traffic lanes. And colour everything else green. Then people know what they're signing up for when they join a route.
 
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