Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I'd say it's a blanket statement which is problematical in a number of ways and which is not backed up by any supporting evidence.

    To start with, 'gentrifiers' and 'locals' are not two distinct groups. The idea that one will outnumber the other is nonsensical.
     
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  2. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

    Only if you interpret them in a literal binary sense. No different from making male/female statements; you implicitly acknowledge there are people who don't fit the either-or categories, or who are simply outliers. This isn't a maths equation so I'm not going to argue the minutiae of it; happy to concede whatever point you're making.
     
  3. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    There's also the issue of who decides whether someone is a gentrifier or not, and what parameters are used to determine it. It might even be the case that many of those classing new arrivals to their area as gentrifiers were themselves seen as gentrifiers by the locals when they first moved in all those years ago.

    A bit like a driver caught in a rush hour traffic jam calling the office to complain he is stuck in traffic, when in fact he is traffic.
     
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  4. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Which is what you're doing. Some locals become gentrifiers. Many gentrifiers become locals. You can't outnumber a group that you're part of. Plus all of what T&P says.
     
  5. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

    Quite right
     
  6. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    As I have lived in Brixton and now LJ gentrification is an issue in LJ.

    Locals I know in LJ see whats happened to Brixton and don't want it in LJ.

    This is what they say to me.
     
  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    You mean when area has been socially cleansed of the working class.
     
  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I took photos will post up.

    I was cringing when I saw the hoardings. I did think this is inappropriate given the area. Sends out wrong message.
     
  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  11. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Given that at meetings I attended residents from the estate said they didn't want LJ Works to be anything like Pop these hoardings are PR mistake.

    Remember at same meetings Council said they had learnt from mistakes of Pop and it would not happen in LJ.

    What is it with Council? That they do this?
     
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  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    What I would have been interested in seeing on hoardings was how many local people got work building LJ Works. How many young people got chance of training helping to build LJ Works. These things were promised early on.
     
  13. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Full on gentrification of LJ is unlikely unless the Loughborough Estate is "regenerated". Which I don't see happening at this time. LJ has large working class population slap bang in centre of it. Its not like that in central Brixton.

    I was down in home town Plymouth and its same their. Plymouth always has had large , for South West, concentration of working class in one area. If you have money you live outside Plymouth. Its nearby villages one sees "gentrification".

    Plymouth Council has made attempts to support "regeneration" and it hasn't really worked. As my brother said average income in Plymouth is four thousand less than Exeter.

    Like LJ Plymouth isn't that desirable. Due to large existing working class population.

    I went on pub crawl around docks in Plymouth on weekend with brother , where we grew up, still pretty well working class pubs. Rather liked it.
     
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  14. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    Interesting that 'LJ Works for Locals' is the penultimate pitch
     
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  15. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Made me wince too.
    So misguided :(

    Also, anyone who uses "creative" as a noun can get in the sea
     
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  16. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    They're never very creative either.
    What are they? Portrait artists? Virtuoso musicians?
    Nope, they design logos - or think of ad slogans.
     
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  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    That is fucking awful. Full Nu-Brixton-Think stuff.

    "LJ Works for Thinkers". What does that even mean?
     
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  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Grove adventure playground will start opening on Saturday now that school holidays are finished. IMG_3431.JPG
     
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  19. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    It seems the Jehova's Witnesses are building themselves a new Kingdom Hall.

    Screen Shot 2018-09-12 at 14.15.26.jpg
     
  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Have they got planning permission - or is this by divine revelation?
     
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  21. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    They used to be big fans of the Three Day Hall
     
  22. goldengraham

    goldengraham Well-Known Member

    The Armageddon is not imminent, then
     
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  23. organicpanda

    organicpanda cat herder extraodinaire

    maybe they're leaving the roof off so they can ascend without bumping their heads
     
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  24. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    They're building a bigger hall that takes up more of the site, while returning the basement of the house at the front to residential use.

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    CHL on the left of this plan, Padfield Rd. along the bottom.
     
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  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    LJ is looking well tatty in places. The NISA shop is a mess and this isn't looking too good either. I wonder who nicked that glorious Greig sign?

    1.jpg
     
  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    A mysterious building. Every now and again I see builders going in and out. But nothing gets finished.

    And the save more shop has been closed for ages.
     
  27. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

    I've always had a soft spot for JW's always at arm's length though - German JW's under Hitler refused to do the Hitler salute and suffered the same fate as Jews, Communists and other anti-Nazis. They self build their Kingdom Hall's with volunteers where possible so are very self-reliant. Probably fucks up their kids though sadly. Seem to be a lot of Portuguese JW's peddling their pamphlets around London atm.

    Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia


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  28. hungry_squirrel

    hungry_squirrel Well-Known Member

    My wife's family was royally fucked up by the JWs. Her father was brought up in the faith, but when he came of age and left they chastised and isolated him.
     
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  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    The film Apostasy dealt with this issue. Was at selected cinemas a few weeks back, but as it was co-financed by BBC Film Unit is should be on BBC Two or BBC Four shortly I would think.
     
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  30. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Someone I work with hates Jehovah witness. When he was at school s classmate died as his parents were Jehovah witness. They will not have blood transfusion. For themselves or the young children they have. So the person I worked with friend at school died. Due to refusal of parents for blood

    He can't stand them.
     

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