Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Are you sure about that capacity issue? I was chatting to a station person at Blackfriars only yesterday and they said that London Bridge is reopened, so nearly all the Brighton "services" will go via London Bridge and Norwood Junction now.
  2. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    It's the junction at Blackfriars that limits capacity. Anything coming out of the tunnel Southbound to Elephant has to cross over the London Bridge tracks "on the flat". Anything coming North from LB has to wait at red while it does so. This clash is what limits the number of through services that can run via Elephant.
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  3. nemoanonemo

    nemoanonemo Active Member

    As a Loughborough Junction local I am selfishly glad that the through service has been maintained, particularly now that Farringdon will be such an important hub when crossrail opens. I am in no way a railway expert, but I don't understand why there is an all or nothing attitude to terminating at Blackfriars. If there is capacity on the line between Loughborough Junction/Denmark Hill up to Blackfriars, why can't the existing through service be maintained but additional Blackfriars terminating traffic be added to increase capacity to alleviate rush hour overcrowding and support a new station?
  4. grosun

    grosun wicket tunes

    What I never understood was why they didn't retain the existing through trains & add some which terminated at Blackfriars.

    As far as I recall, at the time the plan was to terminate all trains at BF, which was (rightly imo) resisted, as then onward travel would have been subject to the London Bridge line working well.

    Given how packed Thameslink trains are on that line, & the amount of new blocks of flats going up, it now seems sensible to consider adding some Blackfriars-terminating trains, but I've no idea whether that idea is even on the radar.
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  5. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

  6. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    There *are* some that terminate at Blackfriars, in between the regular 15-minute interval through trains, during each rush hour. Some that come via denmark hill do the same I think.
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  7. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Yes, in fact I got a DH-bound train from the bay platforms at Blackfriars today. Never a loop train though. Are they new?
  8. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Actually I'm not sure if they were in the old timetable. They aren't true 'loop' trains though, they come from Beckenham and join the route at Herne Hill.

    What scope there is for increasing the frequency of trains around the whole loop I'm not sure... I believe there is 'spare' capacity on the lines between Blackfriars and LJ, but once you start going around the loop it gets rather complicated with all the junctions and other services that the timetable has to be interlaced with.
  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I took some photos of the memorial to the three tragically killed on the railway line. 20180623_154317.jpg 20180623_154126.jpg 20180623_154218.jpg 20180623_154340.jpg
  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    A 20180623_154136.jpg 20180623_154231.jpg 20180623_154414.jpg few more. 20180623_154058.jpg
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  11. davidaheath

    davidaheath Well-Known Member

    What's the deal with the permanent police presence?
  12. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    To try and stop the entire station getting covered in tags I guess.
  13. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Its a pathetic attempt to be seen to do something. I don't know why. No one as far as I know us blaming rail company or Network rail. I'm not. It's tragic accident imo.

    Earlier there was police van and the pimped up SUV of the security firm the rail company use.

    Network Rail – Land Sheriffs Ltd

    I saw them sitting in there pimped up SUV for several days. I wondered what they were. It's just a security company whose brand image is testosterone fueled machismo. Dropping in word "sheriff" as though they are out of some western.
  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This tribute to Trip , one of the graffiti artists tragically killed, on road behind Tescos. 20180625_093331.jpg 20180625_093310.jpg
  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I actually find it moving that so many came to pay tribute to Trip and his fellow taggers. A decent "underground" community imo who care about each other.

    I like street art. Never been a fan of tagging. Changed my mind somewhat now.
  16. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

  17. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I'm not quite sure what to think of it because the fact is it's really dangerous to be on railway lines and glamourising the whole thing just means it'll be sooner that the next people get killed, and people who aren't supposed to be there being on the tracks has negative effects for railway staff just trying to do their jobs; not just the drivers unfortunate enough to hit someone but all the near misses as well, and from what I read elsewhere it's not unknown for them to find themselves in confrontations too. That doesn't mean it's not a tragedy or that they deserved what happened or anything like that, but just because there's a 'decent community' who care about each other doesn't mean that what they choose to do is fine and without consequence for others. And, on a lower level of 'consequence', cleaning graffiti off trains wastes a load of time and resource and costs a lot of money.
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  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Are you saying Im "glamourising" it? That posting up these photos is encouraging others to be on the railway lines?
  19. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I'm up in Kings Cross every now and then and see the goods trains with graffiti. They look better for it imo.
  20. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    To some extent, posting the photos glamourises it. At the same time, three people have lost their lives and people should be allowed to mark that and remember them.

    That's why it's difficult to know what to think about the whole thing.
  21. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Here's a brand new passenger train that was supposed to be taking people to work the next morning - I wonder if they'd consider it an improvement not being able to see out of the window. I think it takes a team of several people a day or two to clean it all up and get the train back into service.

    Screen Shot 2018-06-25 at 23.33.48.jpg

    On goods trains it has less of an impact although it can still cover up safety and other markings that are there for a reason. Plus it inevitably means people being in goods yards where trains can move at any moment and people can end up being badly injured or worse.

    I'd prefer they targeted the expensive cars parked up around Mayfair, wouldn't you?
  22. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I wonder what to think of it.

    Im not keen on tagging. But these tragic deaths have put in public view this subculture.

    Actually the one behind Tesco's us more like street art to me. I think there is crossover.

    I think one of the things about tagging is the danger/ breaking the law side to it.

    Street art isn't really like that. Street artists get into trouble with the law but just want to be left alone to put art in public spaces.

    Take "chewing gum man" who I've met. A council tried to prosecute him for doing miniature street art on chewing gum. They failed. He's still doing it. Though I haven't seen him recently.
  23. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I must say my first reaction is that Im rather impressed.
  24. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Btw where is this photo from?

    I see a lot of trains. I don't see that much graffiti normally.
  25. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Also from what I can see Trip and co were not tagging trains.
  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    When I lived in the Mansions I used to occasionally hear the graffiti artists at night. They weren't targeting trains so much as walls.
  27. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    It's from a recent incident at west worthing.

    Police investigate graffiti damage to £17m train in Worthing

    That's because they are generally taken out of service immediately it's discovered. Because otherwise the taggers get what they want - their work paraded around the country.
  28. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

    I think I saw in one of the papers one of kbags tags across a passenger trains windows...
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  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  30. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    So did I but it wasn't a UK train, and I'm not sure if it was by him or in memorium.

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