Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Pretty comfortable here right under your skin

  2. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    I just went in there (through the chipboard replacement frontage). Do you know if they were caught or got any money from the now out of order machine? At least the shop wasn't open when this happened apparently.
     
  3. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

  4. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    I don't know. It seems a bit prurient to ask......
     
  5. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    The minutes are just out for the Loco licensing review of 12th December
    https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/g10401/Printed minutes Tuesday 12-Dec-2017 19.00 Licensing Sub-Committee.pdf?T=1
    As Gramsci I think said this seems largely to do with immigration matters.
    The Police and Community Safety clearly put in a lot of work cataloguing infractions.

    The "landlord" a Mr Ghafar seems a slippery character. Reading the minutes the police and Community Safety seems to think he is the one responsible, whereas there seems to be almost a merry-go-round of staff who are or are not allowed to serve and who may or may not be designated people in charge.

    The best quote is on page 8, where Mr Dadds, the solicitor representing Mr Ghafar is quoted thus: "he believed it was noteworthy that Mr Ghafar was also a landlord of premises operated by Tesco’s."

    I wonder is Mr Ghafar the landlord of Tescos at the Warrior directly opposite? I wish the Land Regsitry would hurry up with the promised FREE searches!
     
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  6. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Yes immigration status is big issue in this from my reading of minutes. So why is the "Community" safety section of the Council so concerned about illegal immigrants? Are they a danger to white Anglo Saxons like me? Jesus all that Council officer time and police time on this. Haven't they got better things to do?

    I don't give a shit about Loco staff immigration status.

    In all the police and officer time spent on my community safety I notice no real serious matters. No evidence of selling to underage drinkers. Police/ Council could not link Loco to street drinkers.

    So fall back is immigration. What an unpleasant an nasty affair this has been.

    End result is no alcohol sold between midnight and eight in the morning. What a result for the forces of law and order and "community safety"
     
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  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    From the ( long ) minutes.

    The community safety officer of the Council stated that:

    So that's what the Council "community safety" section decided to do them on. In the absence of any other really serious issues around prevention of crime and public safety.
     
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  8. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I suppose if the Community Safety people ever consulted local people, the case could be made that having shops open 24 hrs adds to street safety rather than everything being closed and dark. And that restricting the right of shops to supply a large part of their market is marginalising them.

    But I don't recall the public being consulted about this.

    It's a bit like the Fundamentalist Police response which say you can't have public toilets as they lead to Drug Dealing and Prostitution.
     
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  9. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I read the minutes. It doesn't seem like the employment of people who shouldn't be working in the UK was the only issue. Looks like the whole thing was being run in a shambolic way with little regard for the rules. A landlord or premises licence holder who doesn't follow the law on one particular aspect is likely to act with disregard to other aspects of employment law as well, plus things like fire safety and so on. I don't see much reason to have any great sympathy for them. I reckon I definitely wouldn't have much sympathy if I was running another small shop locally and trying my best to stick to the law. There are costs to employing people properly, and generally doing things properly. Why should people who dodge those costs be allowed to get away with it? Whether or not you agree with the rules relating to immigrant workers is fairly much immaterial.

    There are other places nearby where you can buy booze overnight.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  11. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is what the minutes say:


    So immigration was the main issue. As I've posted before in some American cities police aren't allowed to question people on immigration status as a matter of course.

    As this is London I've known people who are visa overstayers or "illegal" immigrants. If some employers didn't bend the rules they wouldn't get by here in London. That is the reality of the situation.
     
  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  14. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Love it. But wonder how that will work. I'm imagining come summer times the whole of Loughborough estate there with their baskets. Any fruit grown won't be there for long.
     
  15. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    That's what a fruit garden is for.

    There are quite a few apple trees on streets around the area where the fruit just fall on the ground and go to waste. Although I have to say I don't know what variety and how edible they are.
     
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  16. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    About the newly landscaped front bit of Wyck gardens.. The low brick walls that have been built in curved shapes fronting Loughborough Road - they have been constructed with serrated ziggurat-type tops, so that although the walls are a perfect height for sitting a person couldn't sit on them without it being painful.
    I hope this will be reconsidered (mentioned it to Anthea of LJAG the other day and she seemed to agree it was worth bringing up, as this is supposed to be a new public space).
     
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  17. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Exactly what I said yesterday. Certainly wouldn't be comfortable. Is the idea to try and stop the street drinkers sitting there I wonder.
     
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  18. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    That's exactly what I said to Anthea. ;) I can't think of any other reason they'd have designed the tops to be zigzaged. If they were flat it'd actually be nice i think, if it stays this way they're just unfriendly and of no use to anyone (imo).
     
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  19. Lizzy Mac

    Lizzy Mac Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't eat fruit off a tree on a busy road. As far as I'm aware fruit, esp soft fruit, absorb the nasties in the air. I won't buy fruit off a stall that's on a busy road either. So, hopefully it will get used : )
     
  20. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Some googling suggests to me there's not too much to worry about.



    Roadside fruit and picking - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums
     
  21. Lizzy Mac

    Lizzy Mac Well-Known Member

    Having spent the past 7 years pruning shrubs on busy roads and seeing the mess it makes on my clothes and skin, I think I'll pass. MSE Forum did however give me good advice on my power suppliers.
     
  22. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Did anyone notice Loughborough Junction on the series Hard Sun last night? Filmed in and outside the hairdressers in Loughborough Rd. Interesting. I remember they were filming there sometime last year.
     
  23. Angellic

    Angellic Well-Known Member

    I did.
     
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  24. Lizzy Mac

    Lizzy Mac Well-Known Member

    I watch this on the tube and keep screaming out loud in shock at the violence. It's pretty relentless at times.
     
  25. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I was at the LJ Neighborhood Planning forum tonight and someone brought this up as they had seen this on Urban ( not me. A lot of people look at urban).

    The answer was the idea is to stop drinkers and people lurking about the new entrance to Wyck gardens.

    So you are correct and this was intentional part of the design.

    I did object to this and the lack of seating.

    All this money spent on improvements and no seating. What's the point? If people are going to be discouraged from "lurking" around a park what's the point of all these works? Surely a park is somewhere one should be able to sit in?

    bimble
     
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  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    How do you know the fruit and veg you buy in shops has not been grown near roads? I don't. It doesn't say exactly where it's grown.

    Also one of the posts in Teuchter link says imo correctly that a lot of fruit and veg is transported on roads in lorries. So is well exposed to road pollution.
     
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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Another thing is that the consultation on the "public realm improvements" post the road closure debacle have been dominated by the car lobby in LJ who want LJ for cars first then people a poor second.
     
  28. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I agree. It's a bit pathetic to create a public space and then actively discourage people from spending time using it.
     
  29. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Another thing that came up at the LJ Neighborhood Planning forum was Warrior studios ( who are in the arches opposite Tescos).

    Network Rail are starting process of upping their rent. Still in early stages but concerning. So they are potentially under threat.

    Someone from Warrior studios turned up to the meeting.
     
  30. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Disgusting. There are only ever two or three street drinkers there. And they never cause anyone any problems.
    I used to like sitting on the wall that used to be there, when the weather was nice.
    All park spaces have seating areas. Bloody ridiculous.
     
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