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Loughborough Junction chitter-chatter

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

  2. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    I just went in there (through the chipboard replacement frontage). Do you know if they were caught or got any money from the now out of order machine? At least the shop wasn't open when this happened apparently.
     
  3. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

  4. ChrisSouth

    ChrisSouth Well-Known Member

    I don't know. It seems a bit prurient to ask......
     
  5. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    The minutes are just out for the Loco licensing review of 12th December
    https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/g10401/Printed minutes Tuesday 12-Dec-2017 19.00 Licensing Sub-Committee.pdf?T=1
    As Gramsci I think said this seems largely to do with immigration matters.
    The Police and Community Safety clearly put in a lot of work cataloguing infractions.

    The "landlord" a Mr Ghafar seems a slippery character. Reading the minutes the police and Community Safety seems to think he is the one responsible, whereas there seems to be almost a merry-go-round of staff who are or are not allowed to serve and who may or may not be designated people in charge.

    The best quote is on page 8, where Mr Dadds, the solicitor representing Mr Ghafar is quoted thus: "he believed it was noteworthy that Mr Ghafar was also a landlord of premises operated by Tesco’s."

    I wonder is Mr Ghafar the landlord of Tescos at the Warrior directly opposite? I wish the Land Regsitry would hurry up with the promised FREE searches!
     
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  6. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Yes immigration status is big issue in this from my reading of minutes. So why is the "Community" safety section of the Council so concerned about illegal immigrants? Are they a danger to white Anglo Saxons like me? Jesus all that Council officer time and police time on this. Haven't they got better things to do?

    I don't give a shit about Loco staff immigration status.

    In all the police and officer time spent on my community safety I notice no real serious matters. No evidence of selling to underage drinkers. Police/ Council could not link Loco to street drinkers.

    So fall back is immigration. What an unpleasant an nasty affair this has been.

    End result is no alcohol sold between midnight and eight in the morning. What a result for the forces of law and order and "community safety"
     
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  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    From the ( long ) minutes.

    The community safety officer of the Council stated that:

    So that's what the Council "community safety" section decided to do them on. In the absence of any other really serious issues around prevention of crime and public safety.
     
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  8. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I suppose if the Community Safety people ever consulted local people, the case could be made that having shops open 24 hrs adds to street safety rather than everything being closed and dark. And that restricting the right of shops to supply a large part of their market is marginalising them.

    But I don't recall the public being consulted about this.

    It's a bit like the Fundamentalist Police response which say you can't have public toilets as they lead to Drug Dealing and Prostitution.
     
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  9. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I read the minutes. It doesn't seem like the employment of people who shouldn't be working in the UK was the only issue. Looks like the whole thing was being run in a shambolic way with little regard for the rules. A landlord or premises licence holder who doesn't follow the law on one particular aspect is likely to act with disregard to other aspects of employment law as well, plus things like fire safety and so on. I don't see much reason to have any great sympathy for them. I reckon I definitely wouldn't have much sympathy if I was running another small shop locally and trying my best to stick to the law. There are costs to employing people properly, and generally doing things properly. Why should people who dodge those costs be allowed to get away with it? Whether or not you agree with the rules relating to immigrant workers is fairly much immaterial.

    There are other places nearby where you can buy booze overnight.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  11. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is what the minutes say:


    So immigration was the main issue. As I've posted before in some American cities police aren't allowed to question people on immigration status as a matter of course.

    As this is London I've known people who are visa overstayers or "illegal" immigrants. If some employers didn't bend the rules they wouldn't get by here in London. That is the reality of the situation.
     
  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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