ruffneck23
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5.03 good , with a couple of good wtf moments 
LOST season 5 for those who've seen it ;)
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SpookyFrank
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Whoa.
Good call Spooky.
Okay. So Widmore's in the game now. And so maybe Richard is immortal or immortalish. One thing that made me think he was was when he went into Ben's tent and it being Ben's birthday Ben asked Richard - "You do remember birthdays don't you?" So maybe Richard at some point in the past acquired it. This is cool because if Richard goes back to the ancients then it helps my story go smoother. Question is, are these Romans? Is Richard a Roman? Who's teaching latin?
I'm thinking Miles was that baby we heard at the beginning of this season. Charlotte has been on the island before too.
Please throw rocks at my whisper post above, anyone. One thing that I noticed was the absence of whispers since the arrow attack, or I should say the flashes. But that might not be anything.
What we do see, again, is more than one group on the island. It looks like the flaming arrow throwers could be natives....possibly.
Good call Spooky.
Okay. So Widmore's in the game now. And so maybe Richard is immortal or immortalish. One thing that made me think he was was when he went into Ben's tent and it being Ben's birthday Ben asked Richard - "You do remember birthdays don't you?" So maybe Richard at some point in the past acquired it. This is cool because if Richard goes back to the ancients then it helps my story go smoother. Question is, are these Romans? Is Richard a Roman? Who's teaching latin?
I'm thinking Miles was that baby we heard at the beginning of this season. Charlotte has been on the island before too.
Please throw rocks at my whisper post above, anyone. One thing that I noticed was the absence of whispers since the arrow attack, or I should say the flashes. But that might not be anything.
What we do see, again, is more than one group on the island. It looks like the flaming arrow throwers could be natives....possibly.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
With only 30-odd episodes left, the writers are going to have to start tying up some of the loose ends. The thing with Richard and Locke is one of these, and it goes to show just how crafty the writers have been. Even now they're still introducing more plot threads as they painstakingly drag the whole thing towards a conclusion. The episode last season with Desmond's brain flitting back and forth through time struck me at the time as being just a brilliant one-off storyline, but now even that seems to be key to the whole thing...
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Is Ellie Daniels mom? Great. It's being talked about bigtime on other boards. I should say - Ms. Hawking is now a candidate for Daniel's mom.
Oh gosh the writers want everybody to be related.
Oh gosh the writers want everybody to be related.
ruffneck23
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re the whispers. Im reckoning its the voices of the displaced castaways in between sky flashes , for some reason they cant be seen ( maybe because of time paradoxial laws) and if the whispers are backwarss then maybe it because they come from when the castaways have been travelling back from the future ??
oh and im sure Miles is Dr Candles child and Mrs Hawkin is definitely Danieils mum and I have a thought bout Charlottes parentage but not going to say owt about that yet
oh and im sure Miles is Dr Candles child and Mrs Hawkin is definitely Danieils mum and I have a thought bout Charlottes parentage but not going to say owt about that yet
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Uhh....it completely skipped my mind that we've seen the 1950's Others with bows and arrows. 
So that rules out natives.
I need there to be another group or remnants of another group....or for a group to come to the island. Dharma is 16 years away. For the cycles to be in effect then these Others would need to have had taken control just recently.
Still working on what Jacob is. If he really is the leader of a spirit side and it mirrors the human leadership then Jacob's position should be conditional. He should be able to be removed from power. To me there seems to be a paranoid vibe coming from him. I mean what's the "God loves you as he loved Jacob" brainwashing crap? And "loved" - past tense? I wonder how much of his character comes from the bible.
The falling of one side and the rise of the other works well with the 16 year cycle between light and dark factions.
And biblical Jacob's son Benjamin (which mirror-matter theory has already gone into).....
This would make sense for Ben to be the "son of the right hand" which would be the son of science in this case for Ben having come from Dharma. Interesting too the 'son of the south' translation. On Eko's club he carved a bible verse line that said "lift up your eyes and look north" which here would mean look to the light as opposed to the dark.
So that rules out natives.I need there to be another group or remnants of another group....or for a group to come to the island. Dharma is 16 years away.
For the cycles to be in effect then these Others would need to have had taken control just recently.Still working on what Jacob is. If he really is the leader of a spirit side and it mirrors the human leadership then Jacob's position should be conditional. He should be able to be removed from power. To me there seems to be a paranoid vibe coming from him. I mean what's the "God loves you as he loved Jacob" brainwashing crap? And "loved" - past tense? I wonder how much of his character comes from the bible.
The falling of one side and the rise of the other works well with the 16 year cycle between light and dark factions.
And biblical Jacob's son Benjamin (which mirror-matter theory has already gone into).....
This would make sense for Ben to be the "son of the right hand" which would be the son of science in this case for Ben having come from Dharma. Interesting too the 'son of the south' translation. On Eko's club he carved a bible verse line that said "lift up your eyes and look north" which here would mean look to the light as opposed to the dark.
snadge
metal alchemist
I know, what a conniving lying wanker he was, no wonder he got chucked off the Island.
dogmatique
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Another outstanding episode, I'm sure you'll all agree... The Widmore moment was excellent.
I'm very impressed at the fact that the Lost writers seem to have been able to stick to their storylines without giving us a big reveal about the time travel stuff over the last few seasons and have saved it till now - if you belive that it was all planned like this from the get-go.
Conversely, look at the way that Heroes has gone to absolute shite after being given free reign of promised future seasons and utterly fucked it up in the third.
A couple of interesting posts from a guest blogger on Boing Boing:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/21/keeping-up-with-lost.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/22/how-lost-bends-the-r.html
I'm very impressed at the fact that the Lost writers seem to have been able to stick to their storylines without giving us a big reveal about the time travel stuff over the last few seasons and have saved it till now - if you belive that it was all planned like this from the get-go.
Conversely, look at the way that Heroes has gone to absolute shite after being given free reign of promised future seasons and utterly fucked it up in the third.
A couple of interesting posts from a guest blogger on Boing Boing:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/21/keeping-up-with-lost.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/01/22/how-lost-bends-the-r.html
miss direct
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Widmore got thrown off the island?
So Daniel likes to experiment on his girlfriends. From rats to girlfriends.
What baby that was heard at the start of the season???
So Daniel likes to experiment on his girlfriends. From rats to girlfriends.
What baby that was heard at the start of the season???
snadge
metal alchemist
That was just me guessing but obviously he has a problem with lying and orders whilst a young man as part of the others.
Richard seems to have a problem with him and the unquestioning attitude of the other "others" to orders seems to indicate that he isn't cut out to be an "other" so he was either chucked off the Island or forced off via the FDW and it has made him into the arrogant, vindictive obsessive he is in the present.
Remember he has stated in the present that it is his Island and in the latest episode set in 1954 he challenges Richard decision thus proving that he doesn't follow Jacobs ideals.
miss direct
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FDW????
ruffneck23
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frozen donkey wheel that ben turned at the end of S4
miss direct
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Ah. I don't see how that forces people off the island though. It just moves the island and everyone/everything on it, doesn't it? (also, why is it called a donkey wheel?)
What was the deal with them speaking Latin? Finally I felt there was some use to my forced three years of Latin at school.
What was the deal with them speaking Latin? Finally I felt there was some use to my forced three years of Latin at school.
ruffneck23
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every season the producers give out a clue to the finale , the first 3 seasons were some kine of bread 
but for the fourth they said it was all about a Frozen Donkey wheel ( which i think is an americanisation of part of a horse mill ( ie powered by a horse ), which everyone thought bollox , but it did indeed turn out to be true( ish). Ben said at the end of s4 that who ever moves the island cannot return , so by moving the wheel it thrust Ben to Tunisia (iirc) and he can never return ( but we know how much ben lies.)
As for latin , it could be code or it could be the fact that the others have been on the island for ages and it could be thier native language , but nothing has been confirmed yet.....
but for the fourth they said it was all about a Frozen Donkey wheel ( which i think is an americanisation of part of a horse mill ( ie powered by a horse ), which everyone thought bollox , but it did indeed turn out to be true( ish). Ben said at the end of s4 that who ever moves the island cannot return , so by moving the wheel it thrust Ben to Tunisia (iirc) and he can never return ( but we know how much ben lies.)As for latin , it could be code or it could be the fact that the others have been on the island for ages and it could be thier native language , but nothing has been confirmed yet.....
snadge
metal alchemist
It also spits the operator out in the middle of the Sahara Desert unable to return to the Island as Ben mentioned to Locke although it seems Ben knows a way to "break" the rules so he can return.
miss direct
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Oooooohhhhh I get it. Thanks for clearing that up. I love Lost but I'm not very good at concentrating and there is a lot to remember from four seasons.
ruffneck23
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np Im thinking of having a re-watch of the whole lot at the end of this season to see how much more sense it will make
Im thinking of having a re-watch of the whole lot at the end of this season to see how much more sense it will make
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I can't think of a TV show that flys by at such a pace. It never lets up and now there is enough stuff going on for about 5 series, Hurley, Saied, Jack, Kate, Sun, Ben are all entire episodes you want to know what's going with all of them and to know where this is all leading.
snadge
metal alchemist
It's that Richard fucking Albert I want to know about, make no mistake about that....
Lost is amazing T.V. best thing I've seen on telly ever, it's been compared to Twin Peaks but in my mind there is no comparison, Twin Peaks went to pot in 10 episodes and never recovered, Lost is destined to be six seasons of W.T.F.
New Ellie is hot, I think she is Daniels Mum... Daniel mentioned that she looked "familiar"
Lost is amazing T.V. best thing I've seen on telly ever, it's been compared to Twin Peaks but in my mind there is no comparison, Twin Peaks went to pot in 10 episodes and never recovered, Lost is destined to be six seasons of W.T.F.
New Ellie is hot, I think she is Daniels Mum... Daniel mentioned that she looked "familiar"
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I don't think Steven Johnson is watching the same show. There is no one small change is going answer all those things. Had that been the case, there are more than enough Trekkers watching the show to have the whole thing figured out already.
dogmatique, what's interesting is the chance that Jack could have an important role still when all this is over. For a guy that was supposed to be killed off in the first show I think it says a lot for the writers' talent at working things into the show that don't need to be there.
There's got to be a clue there.
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I think so too. Unless they're throwing us a curve ball it ...huh'um ...has to be.
Oh and she is hot btw.
But this - @ 2:45
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I agree with rappataque, I love the way this programme has slowly built the story up. That's very much in contrast to most things these days...
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Aaron
We know Aaron is special. Before I go on we also know Walt is somehow very special too. Walt's the only person to appear as himself, as a vision and as the monster (confirmed).
So what's the deal with Aaron? Why so much fear from Claire and the rest (Jacobites) about Aaron returning to the island? Has anybody picked up on the little messages that seem to accompany the Aaron scenes? Remember at breakfast there was the obvious cartoon one that prompted Kate to say something like, "he knows not to go in [the tunnel] because he'll never come back out". Well it's clear what that was referring to. Then when they went to see Sun we hear Aaron ask to push the button which was "3 and 1" (31?) and noticeably not any of the Valenzetti numbers. That was sort of obvious too but could be meant to mislead us. The thing with that is could Aaron be associated with changing the numbers and thereby saving the world?
If that's the case then it gives meat and bones to the conflict of determinism against change/free will. If Jacob wants business as usual for the island then we know it ultimately means the destruction of the world. Remember it was Dharma who were trying to use the island to change the Valenzetti numbers and save humanity.
Now how intriguing would that be? Here we are being told we have to "save the island" when by doing so we're assuring the end of the world. In other words, Jacob might have to be overthrown and replaced with a pro-change or non-determinist island god. This also means that the Others are the bad guys though they sincerely believe they're not. What if Widmore is the good guy? What if Widmore knows Jacob has to be removed and Richard and the Others defeated in order to facilitate the island being used to change the numbers? That would mean that during the whole show we've been pulling for the wrong side.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Okay, arguing against that is the fact that as far as we know Ben is working in support of the island and Jacob. Why wouldn't he know not to bring Aaron? Or is Aaron even coming? It doesn't jibe that Jacob wouldn't want Aaron on the island and at the same time needs him to come with Ben. And of course, Aaron is a little kid right now. Something is certainly going on with Christian. He's super creepy as a ghost and perfect company with Claire imo. The thing with Walt appearing as a vision (good guy) and as the monster (bad) kinda lends itself to the idea of opposing spirit forces in conflict on the island. I'll go on about that later.
I realized that I left off 2 important things from my list on this thread, the Incident and the determinist theme. The incident is important but I'm not sure how. So....any thoughts, rocks? This isn't my big theory btw. I won't have that till later this season if things go well.
We know Aaron is special. Before I go on we also know Walt is somehow very special too. Walt's the only person to appear as himself, as a vision and as the monster (confirmed).
So what's the deal with Aaron? Why so much fear from Claire and the rest (Jacobites) about Aaron returning to the island? Has anybody picked up on the little messages that seem to accompany the Aaron scenes? Remember at breakfast there was the obvious cartoon one that prompted Kate to say something like, "he knows not to go in [the tunnel] because he'll never come back out". Well it's clear what that was referring to. Then when they went to see Sun we hear Aaron ask to push the button which was "3 and 1" (31?) and noticeably not any of the Valenzetti numbers. That was sort of obvious too but could be meant to mislead us. The thing with that is could Aaron be associated with changing the numbers and thereby saving the world?
If that's the case then it gives meat and bones to the conflict of determinism against change/free will. If Jacob wants business as usual for the island then we know it ultimately means the destruction of the world. Remember it was Dharma who were trying to use the island to change the Valenzetti numbers and save humanity.
Now how intriguing would that be? Here we are being told we have to "save the island" when by doing so we're assuring the end of the world. In other words, Jacob might have to be overthrown and replaced with a pro-change or non-determinist island god. This also means that the Others are the bad guys though they sincerely believe they're not. What if Widmore is the good guy? What if Widmore knows Jacob has to be removed and Richard and the Others defeated in order to facilitate the island being used to change the numbers? That would mean that during the whole show we've been pulling for the wrong side.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Okay, arguing against that is the fact that as far as we know Ben is working in support of the island and Jacob. Why wouldn't he know not to bring Aaron? Or is Aaron even coming? It doesn't jibe that Jacob wouldn't want Aaron on the island and at the same time needs him to come with Ben. And of course, Aaron is a little kid right now. Something is certainly going on with Christian. He's super creepy as a ghost and perfect company with Claire imo. The thing with Walt appearing as a vision (good guy) and as the monster (bad) kinda lends itself to the idea of opposing spirit forces in conflict on the island. I'll go on about that later.
I realized that I left off 2 important things from my list on this thread, the Incident and the determinist theme.
The incident is important but I'm not sure how. So....any thoughts, rocks? This isn't my big theory btw. I won't have that till later this season if things go well.The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
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I've never seen the enhanced versions of the show but it's been said that Ms Hawking's first name was revealed to be Eloise which would make her a near shoein for Ellie or vice versa whatever. Thing is - the enhanced versions aren't canon.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Canon
The Hanso info in the Sri Lanka Video is canon and maybe the DNA specific virus stuff too - so is the Orchid Orientation outtake film.
It's nice to know the people charged with saving the world really had their act together.
Could this be the reason Aaron cant be allowed to return with the O6? And does that mean Aaron is already on the island?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Canon
The Hanso info in the Sri Lanka Video is canon and maybe the DNA specific virus stuff too - so is the Orchid Orientation outtake film.
It's nice to know the people charged with saving the world really had their act together.
Could this be the reason Aaron cant be allowed to return with the O6? And does that mean Aaron is already on the island?
