Lost Prophets...

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by aurora green, Jun 30, 2006.

  1. Smyz

    Smyz FNG

    iTunes gave refunds on James Arthur's single after some public melt down he had.

    You could argue that it is not possible to refund all Lostprophets sales but that Watkins share of future royalties should go to the victims and relevant charities.

    Might depend how watertight his personal contract is.
     
  2. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Yeah, why not? Are contracts now sacred? #Creepinglibertarianism
     
  3. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    They don't have to be, you can tear up agreements whenever you like. Not sure whether that would lead to more revenue for lawyers or less...

    Not sure I'd want my employer changing their mind suddenly about whether they were paying me.
     
  4. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    One of the bigger issues with consistent abuse is that to some extent victims become indoctrinated into the abuser's views, and take up the idea that they're worthless; that they'll never be believed; even that the abuser is acting out of "love".
    Add to that the astonishing degrees of complacency and inertia in the criminal justice system with regard to abuse, and people do indeed have legitimate worries w/r/t being believed. :(
     
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  5. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    In what way does that mean that there should not be or could not be specific conditions which kick in on certain offences?
     
  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    depends which way they went.
     
  7. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    No, I think calling for castration gives someone like yourself a feeling of righteousness through touting that simplistic castration "solution", and that you either couldn't be arsed, or are too stupid to realise that castration solves no problems with regard to people who commit sexual abuse. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    There are. There's the 2002 proceeds of crime act (I think there are other older laws too).

    Not sure how you do it in this case - are you talking about restricting any income after a given category of offence, or do you have a period where you try to demonstrate extra income has been garnered as a direct result of the case (in which case it would have some overlap with the proceeds of crime act)?

    Or with this "#Creepinglibertarianism" nonsense are you actually trying to say the Government or someone else should just be able to confiscate monies due for whatever reason they like?
     
  9. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    Maybe you should speak to your HR people.
     
  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    i think i should. and see if i can talk them up.
     
  11. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    No, i'm saying that your reliance on contract is a bit silly.

    And if the 202 act can't be applied, then, you know, it probably doesn't apply.

    You asked:

    So i played this logic game and said yes. You haven't said why not - beyond the implied - the contract is sacred stuff. Do you want to have a go at your own logic here?
     
  12. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    In what sense did I say contracts were sacred? I don't think personally that the 2002 act can be applied but you could amend the law. I wanted to know what you actually have in mind. I sketched out a couple of outlines myself.

    So just shadow-boxing again...
     
  13. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    They're no different to any other rapist - they rape.
    Are you somehow claiming that the rape of a toddler, a primary schoolkid or a secondary schoolkid might be somehow less traumatic than for a baby? They may seem less horrible, but they're no less damaging, physically and psychically, for the victims.


    As for gradation, in law gradation refers to severity of crime (from non-contact offence to contact offence), not to an arbitrary decision to consider baby-rape more heinious than toddler-rape or schoolkid rape, which would be farcical. Rape is rape.
     
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  14. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    Of all the things that can get you disqualified from royalties I'd say noncery has got to be fairly high on the list
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    What, i couldn't care less about the 2002 law. You asked about future offence/loyalties and who the censorious mob should jump on next.

    Then you bottled it by not actually answering your own question. I answered it. Why can't you?
     
  16. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    Would that be all royalties for the duration of the prison sentence or something more complicated (I remember the kerfuffle surrounding certain Tories who had been banged up writing about their experiences once they had come out, not sure how well that applies)?

    Do we have a panel of charities for each offence bracket or does the Crown pocket the cash?
     
  17. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    :facepalm:

    Got anything specifically you would like me to answer? Or would you like me to answer that question too?

    Quick- there's a lib under the bed!! :eek:
     
  18. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    That's the narrative, but while the power issue is probably the primary motivation, I don't think we should ignore aberrant socialisation as feeding a pathological secondary motivation - to experience intimacy on the offender's own terms. Some of the case studies I've read have some pretty clear signposts with regard to faulty socialisation, and I don't just mean intra-familial abuse and/or neglect, but also the kind of environment you develop in.
     
  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Your own question.
     
  20. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    I thought in his case it was a kind of "transgression-egomania" thing (would sorta come under 'power', though tbf). :(
     
  21. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Usually the apex of the scrotum, with castration.
     
  22. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    The answer so far would seem to be 'partially'.

    That lib is still under the bed...
     
  23. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Let the beast out.
     
  24. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    It's under your bed.
     
  25. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    That's certainly the implication. My point is merely that although we look at any incidence of rape and say "it's a power thing, it's nowt to do with sex", sometimes it's about both power and sex, and the fact that the offender only feels secure in having sex in such a way.
    I mean sure, it's still horrifically pathological behaviour, but it's motivated by sex as well as motivated by the need to assert power in some cases.
     
  26. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    True dat.
     
  27. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Let it out then.
     
  28. 8ball

    8ball Can be a bit of a git sometimes

    You let it out - I'm fucking miles away.
     
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I'm going to have to call in LPUK then.
     
  30. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    300-400 years ago, we gave death sentences to minors for theft. Okay, the sentences were often (but not always) commuted, but that's not really the point. How savage do we want to get, and as you say, how much power do we want to let the government wield over us?
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2014
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