'Lost' pictures of ancient copies of the Quran may be found

[Crispy]

Well let's just wait and see shall we?

 

[david dissadent]

a man that knew the ratio of sea water to land on the planet and then infused it into the text in the words 'sea' and 'land'?

yeah right

Just curious where you stand on human evolution? Way OT but interested on the explanation for the vast collection of fossil record.

 

[Crispy]

oh christ don't even start

 

[fattboy]

Ah, a scholar arrives.

Who said it's incomplete. The point is that it might show (as other finds have) that it evolved over time. You do realise the significance of that don't you?

please see the link in my post above

 

[butchersapron]

Well let's just wait and see shall we?

To discuss the findings of this particular sure - but the ongoing and historic debate about the evolution of the koran is surely up for debate?

 

[Crispy]

To discuss the findings of this particular sure - but the ongoing and historic debate about the evolution of the koran is surely up for debate?

Be my honoured guest

 

[butchersapron]

please see the link in my post above

Why? It's got zip to with anything in this thread.

 

[fattboy]

Just curious where you stand on human evolution? Way OT but interested on the explanation for the vast collection of fossil record.

where are the transitional form fossils?
funny not ones ever been found, only fossils of creatures perfectly designed for one environment or another, no actual evidence of 'evoloution' as its put forward by western science at all.

 

[Crispy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Every species is adapted to its environment. The key thing to remember is that environment changes.

PS: 'Environment' in this sense means 'everything outside the organism' - this includes other organisms.

 

[fattboy]

Why? It's got zip to with anything in this thread.

u know it has, its proof the Qur'an wasnt authored, because its impossible to have known that information until only very very recently,and its proof the text is untampered cos of the exact number of repitions of related words.

 

[fattboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

Every species is adapted to its environment. The key thing to remember is that environment changes.

PS: 'Environment' in this sense means 'everything outside the organism' - this includes other organisms.

got any pics please?

 

[Yossarian]

a man that knew the ratio of sea water to land on the planet and then infused it into the text in the words 'sea' and 'land'?

yeah right

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/science/numbers.htm

Are you holding a lot of stuff in reserve there, or is that link the one big proof that the Koran's the original work of Mr. Allah himself?

 

[Crispy]

So if these guys find copies of the Qur'an with substatial differences to modern versions, what then?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

So if these guys find copies of the Qur'an with substatial differences to modern versions, what then?

The publishers of the modern works are exempt from paying God any more copyright fees?

 

[gorski]

So if these guys find copies of the Qur'an with substatial differences to modern versions, what then?

The end of the Aldebaran's world as he knows it!!!

 

[david dissadent]

So if these guys find copies of the Qur'an with substatial differences to modern versions, what then?

Ammunition for the more liberal Muslims who point out that historicaly the Quran was not always taken as being immutibly the word of God. It presents akward questions for serious scholars who do take that position, and some very hard choices for many accademics in the west whether to address this and risk loosing funding and perhaps violence or ignore it and risk being accused of accademic cowardice.

Amoung other consaquencies.

 

[zoltan]

Ammunition for the more liberal Muslims who point out that historicaly the Quran was not always taken as being immutibly the word of God. It presents akward questions for serious scholars who do take that position, and some very hard choices for many accademics in the west whether to address this and risk loosing funding and perhaps violence or ignore it and risk being accused of accademic cowardice.

Amoung other consaquencies.

A process that the Jesus and God lot went though a while ago - very painful if I remember correctly

 

[david dissadent]

So if these guys find copies of the Qur'an with substatial differences to modern versions, what then?

My other guess is that this will be a line in the sand for many Islamic scholars, one there faith will not tollerate crossing, like I said in the OP, such as Gallileo and the earth moving. But one that can be proven by hard evidence of real texts that the Quran has chaned over the early years, so long as they are not destroyed. The break point between reason and pure faith to a more flexible approach.

Not that it will happen instantly.

 

[butchersapron]

u know it has, its proof the Qur'an wasnt authored, because its impossible to have known that information until only very very recently,and its proof the text is untampered cos of the exact number of repitions of related words.

Oh yeah, i see now.

 

[zoltan]

where are the transitional form fossils?
funny not ones ever been found, only fossils of creatures perfectly designed for one environment or another, no actual evidence of 'evoloution' as its put forward by western science at all.

You know, the more you post, the more you back yourself into a corner and sounf like Fundie Christians with their hysterical straw grasping protestations

uneasy bedfellows, but somewhat apt .

 

[Crispy]

got any pics please?

Sure.

This fella (Eusthenopteron)

Had mobile fins that could pull him along the ocean floor. The bones in these fins follow the classic structure shared by all 4-legged createures; humerus, ulna, and radius in the front fin, and femur, tibia, and fibula in the rear. Various other features about its skull are common with later 4-limbed creatures. It's still mostly fish though.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I wonder if it would help fattboy if i did a statistical analysis to show that the bible predicted 9/11? Or maybe the unabridged version of Les Mis?

It's numerology, it's proof of nothing but the ownership of a computer.

 

[zoltan]

Sure.

This fella (Eusthenopteron)

Had mobile fins that could pull him along the ocean floor. The bones in these fins follow the classic structure shared by all 4-legged createures; humerus, ulna, and radius in the front fin, and femur, tibia, and fibula in the rear. Various other features about its skull are common with later 4-limbed creatures. It's still mostly fish though.

fine looking fellow


you have to remember that relatively few life forms left obvious traces and only a small amount of these survived the process of heat n pressure anyway - its remarkable how much we can peice together from a few seemingly abstract fossils - Geology is a mere pup in terms of the sciences - Plate tectonics wers still considerd barking mad until the 1970's by many scholars

more information emerges almost daily, all of which erodes the long held belief of a garden of eden scenario.

the creationists are forced to retreat even further, clinging onto whatever grey areas are left and expliting these until proved otherwise

( Im an ex rubbish geologist !)

 

[fattboy]

fine looking fellow


you have to remember that relatively few life forms left obvious traces and only a small amount of these survived the process of heat n pressure anyway - its remarkable how much we can peice together from a few seemingly abstract fossils - Geology is a mere pup in terms of the sciences - Plate tectonics wers still considerd barking mad until the 1970's by many scholars

more information emerges almost daily, all of which erodes the long held belief of a garden of eden scenario.

the creationists are forced to retreat even further, clinging onto whatever grey areas are left and expliting these until proved otherwise

( Im an ex rubbish geologist !)

a bit of topic, but kind of linked, u know when muslims go do Hajj one of the things we do is we make Tawaf of the Kaaba, walking around it seven times as im sure uve seen.
this rule of tawaf is a cosmic rule, everything from tiny biological cells and cell systems and atoms to the planets and the galaxies move in this kind of anti-clockwise tawaf.

the worlds tectonic plate sysyem also moves in this direction, anti clockwise and guess what plate is at the centre with the others moving around it?
yep, the arabian plate, where obviously Mecca and the Kaaba are.
Mecca is at the centre of the earth,tectonically and landmass wise, and its been proven in breaking science that when we pray and prosterate on the floor, we discharge negative energy from our bodies thru our heads which is directed towards the direction of the Kaaba which is the most electron neutral place on the earth, being between the 2 poles, where the radfiation that comes from the sun is discharged by the van allen belt in the stratosphere, and muslims have been found to have far less occurences of brain tumours than other ppl.

have a look where ur satelitte dish points, every satellitte dish points towards Mecca because its easier to pick up a clear signal beacause of this.

 

[Badger Kitten]

the worlds tectonic plate sysyem also moves in this direction, anti clockwise and guess what plate is at the centre with the others moving around it?
yep, the arabian plate, where obviously Mecca and the Kaaba are.
Mecca is at the centre of the earth,tectonically and landmass wise, and its been proven in breaking science that when we pray and prosterate on the floor, we discharge negative energy from our bodies thru our heads which is directed towards the direction of the Kaaba which is the most electron neutral place on the earth, being between the 2 poles, where the radfiation that comes from the sun is discharged by the van allen belt in the stratosphere, and muslims have been found to have far less occurences of brain tumours than other ppl.

have a look where ur satelitte dish points, every satellitte dish points towards Mecca because its easier to pick up a clear signal beacause of this

.

*spits coffee*
sorry, but this is just hilarious.

 

[yield]

a bit of topic, but kind of linked, u know when muslims go do Hajj one of the things we do is we make Tawaf of the Kaaba, walking around it seven times as im sure uve seen.
this rule of tawaf is a cosmic rule, everything from tiny biological cells and cell systems and atoms to the planets and the galaxies move in this kind of anti-clockwise tawaf.

the worlds tectonic plate sysyem also moves in this direction, anti clockwise and guess what plate is at the centre with the others moving around it?
yep, the arabian plate, where obviously Mecca and the Kaaba are.
Mecca is at the centre of the earth,tectonically and landmass wise, and its been proven in breaking science that when we pray and prosterate on the floor, we discharge negative energy from our bodies thru our heads which is directed towards the direction of the Kaaba which is the most electron neutral place on the earth, being between the 2 poles, where the radfiation that comes from the sun is discharged by the van allen belt in the stratosphere, and muslims have been found to have far less occurences of brain tumours than other ppl.

have a look where ur satelitte dish points, every satellitte dish points towards Mecca because its easier to pick up a clear signal beacause of this.

No.

Please do a little research before you post.

The "cosmic anti-clockwise tawaf"!

 

[fattboy]

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*spits coffee*
sorry, but this is just hilarious.

google it

 

[fattboy]

No.

Please do a little research before you post.

The "cosmic anti-clockwise tawaf"!

 

[yield]

Copernicus? The Earth, let alone Mecca, isn't the centre of the Universe.

 

[fattboy]

a bit of topic, but kind of linked, u know when muslims go do Hajj one of the things we do is we make Tawaf of the Kaaba, walking around it seven times as im sure uve seen.
this rule of tawaf is a cosmic rule, everything from tiny biological cells and cell systems and atoms to the planets and the galaxies move in this kind of anti-clockwise tawaf.

the worlds tectonic plate sysyem also moves in this direction, anti clockwise and guess what plate is at the centre with the others moving around it?
yep, the arabian plate, where obviously Mecca and the Kaaba are.
Mecca is at the centre of the earth,tectonically and landmass wise, and its been proven in breaking science that when we pray and prosterate on the floor, we discharge negative energy from our bodies thru our heads which is directed towards the direction of the Kaaba which is the most electron neutral place on the earth, being between the 2 poles, where the radfiation that comes from the sun is discharged by the van allen belt in the stratosphere, and muslims have been found to have far less occurences of brain tumours than other ppl.

have a look where ur satelitte dish points, every satellitte dish points towards Mecca because its easier to pick up a clear signal beacause of this.

Also, Allah Refers to the seven heavens and seven earths in the Qur'an,

there are seven layers to our atmosphere such as the stratoshere, metosphere, ionosphere etc.

and the main number of tactonic plates total seven, ie. the arabian, north american, pacific etc.