Lost - crap, not crap?

[mk12]

Angel, especially second series?

Angel!?

 

[butchersapron]

Agrees with semi-trot

 

[DarthSydodyas]

Thats not true ! I've been watching it and I don't like "dumbed down garbage" I just think it's a promising idea that so far has failed to work due to poor plot and what seems to me to be charaterisation based on "before the crash" lives when these people are clearly going to be suffering some post crash trauma so they probably won't function like they did , which from what I've seen isn't the case so it's another good aspect of the idea thats been missed !

The point I should have made is that it is way too early to judge (from Episode 4). For instance, the "before the crash" moments aren't just about what these folk were like in the norm (one for the spoilers, perhaps).

It would have been interesting to see post-crash trauma played out, but there was a more powerful (imo) driver behind their change. The slow realisation that they were never getting of that island alive. Trivial, but more than sufficient.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Problem with Lost is that its viewers are used to dumb down garbage.

priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

granted, it's no trisha, but us fans of us lost just can't quite grasp clever people stuff loik books and stuff.

 

[Termite Man]

It would have been interesting to see post-crash trauma played out, but there was a more powerful (imo) driver behind their change. The slow realisation that they were never getting of that island alive. Trivial, but more than sufficient.

Isn't that going to be part of the trauma though ? The crash is bad enough but the consequences of the crash and dealing with those is all conected , I'd have liked to see them play both and if they insist on having a monster in the woods ( and playing that card so early and have no mention of it is a bit shit IMO ) then why can't they include that as well

 

[DarthSydodyas]

It is the more interesting part of the trauma, tho! But point taken.

Perhaps it would be wise in not talking any further about the rest of it as it would hit spoiler domain. All I'd like to say is stick with it, as things aren't necessarily transpiring as you see them, atm.

 

[silentNate]

thoroughly enjoyed the first two, though the 'monster' storyline is irritating - that said, episodes 3 & 4 have been rather dull - they'll need to pull their socks up in episodes 5 & 6, or that'll be my lot.

I thought episodes three and four were great- better than the action of the first two as concentrated on the human interest of the characters history. Given that I found five and six disappointed is to do with the reliance on action which is probably why you should stick with it

 

[exosculate]

Perfect parallel line injury make up, that never weathers with the desperateness of the situation.

American puke


Nuff said

 

[exosculate]

I thought episodes three and four were great- better than the action of the first two as concentrated on the human interest of the characters history. Given that I found five and six disappointed is to do with the reliance on action which is probably why you should stick with it

What 'characters' are you referring to the cardboard cutouts?

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Perfect parallel line injury make up, that never weathers with the desperateness of the situation.

Why do I feel that some of the people who don't like it are somewhat missing the point...

Those who like it are well aware that its a totally unbelievable (possibly supernatural) scenario, that its plastic, full of beautiful, often one dimensional people who thankfully seem to have salvaged enough changes of clothes to retain this beauty etc. Its just that if you chose to not let all that bother you it also has a lot going for it under the surface (IMPO).

So its fine to slag it off, but can people stop assuming that the only reason people like it is because we're so thick we've missed the point that its totally unrealistic?

 

[silentNate]

Thanks AS- whilst I love a good political argument, The Gruaniad and C4 News I also love Gilmore Girls and Lost... Some of the acting is hilariously bad and the point about make-up is a good one (?how come only the good looking people ever survive plane crashes on TV) I'm well aware of the stupidity of this show...
It's known as suspending disbelief and putting my feet- something I feel my brain deserves after a hard day at work

 

[exosculate]

Why do I feel that some of the people who don't like it are somewhat missing the point...

Those who like it are well aware that its a totally unbelievable (possibly supernatural) scenario, that its plastic, full of beautiful, often one dimensional people who thankfully seem to have salvaged enough changes of clothes to retain this beauty etc. Its just that if you chose to not let all that bother you it also has a lot going for it under the surface (IMPO).

So its fine to slag it off, but can people stop assuming that the only reason people like it is because we're so thick we've missed the point that its totally unrealistic?

Who says people are thick? Don't project its not rational.

It has appalling plot
Cardboard characters
Ridiculous make up
People that never get dirty
Sterotyped roles that are so crudely thought through it is worrying

Its bad on so many levels its scary.

I can only see one logical reason to like it - that its so bad its amusing by virtue of how ridiculous it is on many levels.

 

[exosculate]

Thanks AS- whilst I love a good political argument, The Gruaniad and C4 News I also love Gilmore Girls and Lost... Some of the acting is hilariously bad and the point about make-up is a good one (?how come only the good looking people ever survive plane crashes on TV) I'm well aware of the stupidity of this show...
It's known as suspending disbelief and putting my feet- something I feel my brain deserves after a hard day at work

I think its taken 'suspending disbelief' to a new level - I'll give it that.

 

[silentNate]

How much of it have you seen exosculate and are you still watching?

 

[kyser_soze]

(?how come only the good looking people ever survive plane crashes on TV)

WHY do people keep asking and commenting on this issue? TV shows have to chase ratings, and attractive people in series help keep viewers interested. End of. While the denizens of Urban might want to see 'realistic' portrayls of people in shows (and if you want that watch reality TV) we make up about 0.001% of the viewing population of the UK and it has been demonstrated time after time that good looking people sell fisctional shows, keep viewers hooked and make for better press and PR.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

I can only see one logical reason to like it - that its so bad its amusing by virtue of how ridiculous it is on many levels.

Or, that if as SilentNate says you can suspend your disbelief and stop focusing on the plot holes and unrealistic wardrobes, there are elements that are positive.

It has appalling plot
Ridiculous make up
People that never get dirty
Sterotyped roles that are so crudely thought through it is worrying

With the exception of the last and the first point (I don't agree with the first btw but I will concede to the last), none of those points actually matter if you consider the theory that they are in fact all dead.

 

[exosculate]

WHY do people keep asking and commenting on this issue? TV shows have to chase ratings, and attractive people in series help keep viewers interested. End of. While the denizens of Urban might want to see 'realistic' portrayls of people in shows (and if you want that watch reality TV) we make up about 0.001% of the viewing population of the UK and it has been demonstrated time after time that good looking people sell fisctional shows, keep viewers hooked and make for better press and PR.

One of the reasons I don't like it, although other shows don't take the perfect amkeup thing this seriously to be fair.

 

[exosculate]

How much of it have you seen exosculate and are you still watching?

3 episodes - surely thats enough torture for anyone? Can't watch anymore for fear of losing my already fragile sanity.

 

[silentNate]

WHY do people keep asking and commenting on this issue? TV shows have to chase ratings, and attractive people in series help keep viewers interested. End of. While the denizens of Urban might want to see 'realistic' portrayls of people in shows (and if you want that watch reality TV) we make up about 0.001% of the viewing population of the UK and it has been demonstrated time after time that good looking people sell fisctional shows, keep viewers hooked and make for better press and PR.

Doesn't it give ugly people the irrational idea that nothing bad will happen to them though?

 

[kyser_soze]

Exos - given your strident, well thought out and deep criticism of the programme, I assume that in the near future we will be seeing the first draft scripts for Lost - The Excessive Kissing Variations featuring good plot, well thought out characters etc?

 

[exosculate]

Or, that if as SilentNate says you can suspend your disbelief and stop focusing on the plot holes and unrealistic wardrobes, there are elements that are positive.


With the exception of the last and the first point (I don't agree with the first btw but I will concede to the last), none of those points actually matter if you consider the theory that they are in fact all dead.

Seems likely they all dead, you could see that as a strongly possible underpinning narrative from the beginning. Perhaps it should have been called Dead Model Society (and one fat bloke)

 

[exosculate]

Exos - given your strident, well thought out and deep criticism of the programme, I assume that in the near future we will be seeing the first draft scripts for Lost - The Excessive Kissing Variations featuring good plot, well thought out characters etc?

Already written - they stonewall artistic creativity these days though - don't you know.


Spoiler - Mine ends with a mass kissathon as they all ascend to heaven.

 

[kyser_soze]

Doesn't it give ugly people the irrational idea that nothing bad will happen to them though?

Kinda similar to the t-shirt I saw recently on a large chap saying 'Fat People are harder to kidnap'



Funny/ironic thing - there's some anecdotal audience research that suggests that unless they're in a fantasy location, reality TV works better for audiences the grimmer the participants.

 

[ginger_syn]

Its Entertainement,Its a put your brain on standby fantasy with pretty sceanery and weird stuff that, well, entertains me for an hour or so, and as the majority of tv these day is bland triteness thats never bad

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Doesn't it give ugly people the irrational idea that nothing bad will happen to them though?

I'm sure there's something in the Beauty Myth which goes on about how heroines throughout history (of books written by men) are always beautiful, and there's the assumption that exciting things, good or bad, only happen if you're beautiful. To look plain is to be fated with a life or medium hardship and mediocrity.

 

[Major Tom]

Its Entertainement,Its a put your brain on standby fantasy with pretty sceanery and weird stuff that, well, entertains me for an hour or so, and as the majority of tv these day is bland triteness thats never bad

Doesn't seem to work as entertainment for me I'm afraid. I find my mind wandering. I need to be engaged, and I need to be able to use my brain.

There's plenty of good TV out there, I don;t need to waste my time on this - Sopranos, 6 Feet Under, X-files, Twin Peaks, Buffy - even Desperate Housewives is better than this.

 

[ginger_syn]

desperate wifes is a perfect example of trite trash, after early promise X files got unwatchable through boredom. I will agree with you on Six feet under it is way past Lost in quality and the others were good too ,but they are the exception to the rule, and the whole point of puting your brain on stanby is that you dont have to think about anything other than who you can get to make the tea and and being comfy on the settee while watching the pretty pictures
don't watch the Sopranos hate that sort of stuff.

 

[Major Tom]

and the whole point of puting your brain on stanby is that you dont have to think about anything other than who you can get to make the tea and and being comfy on the settee while watching the pretty pictures.

I don't think my brain has a standby mode

 

[Major Tom]

desperate wifes is a perfect example of trite trash.

on a scale from sopranos to lost - i'd certainly put it nearer the lost end.
But it had more going for it than Lost - a plot for one thing.

X-Files did get less good - formulaic. I stopped watching it. But some of the later series - when the conspiracy theories became the main theme - were excellent, and I'm only just starting to catch up with them.

Sopranos, of course, is the best telly programme ever made - and I can watch it over and over and over and over and....

 

[ginger_syn]

I don't think my brain has a standby mode

you don't know what you're missing then, its tv meditation