Losing the War on Terror

[mears]

His message seems to be you can't resist the Borg. I thought that what aspects of Islam were doing.

Tell me how can one know Saddam Hussein is not responsible for 9-11 when you can't even admit Osama Bin Laden is responsible.

Even when Osam Bin Laden has taken credit for 9-11
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

"UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for."
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/tape.transcript/

 

[nino_savatte]

Tell me how can one know Saddam Hussein is not responsible for 9-11 when you can't even admit Osama Bin Laden is responsible.

Even when Osam Bin Laden has taken credit for 9-11
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

"UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for."
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/tape.transcript/

Jesus wept! "Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11"?

If some bloke with an Islamic sounding name told you that he killed the tooth fairy, you'd believe him.

 

[Fruitloop]

I believe in a womens right to wear what she wants and work where she wants. I believe in the seperation of church and state. I believe a country should let their people worship any religion under the sun, including the sun.

I am anything but a mirror image of Islamists. I am a heathen in their eyes.

You prove my point, and you can't even see it. I give up.

 

[warren]

There is so much bollocks being discussed in this thread I do not know where to start!

Bin Laden was not funded by the CIA in the 1980s. He had his own funding from rich Arab businessmen. The ‘Arab-Afghans’ were marginal players in the Afghan-Soviet War they did not effect the outcome. The Pashtun were the ones who beat back the Soviets – in those days they were not Islamists.

The Taliban in the 1990s were not Islamists either but followed a branch of Islam of Sufi inspired Deobandi Islam which was similar to Saudi-Wahabism but not the same. They follow a code of Pashtunwali which means they must provide shelter to any guests in the country.

Al-Qaeda follows its own brand of Salafism which is Takfriri inspired. In the Takfriri doctrine there is only dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb.

Even if the West stopped occupying Muslim lands al-Qaeda would still have flown planes into buildings on 9/11. The question is recruitment – how easily the Muslim ‘Gutter’ can recruit from the Muslim ‘Street’.

Bush has mismanaged the War on Terror - Iraq should never have been invaded. It is also winnable on both sides. The Algerian’s beat the GIA in the 1990s. It was a dodgy way of doing things - letting the GIA brutalise their own population so badly that the Muslim ‘Street’ turned against them.

Al-Qaeda want a Khalifate from Spain all the way to the Hindu-Kush and beyond - they then want to conquer the West and then the rest of the World.

Al-Qaeda is transforming, becoming even more extreme with with al-Zarqawi inspired Takfriri hatred of the Shi’i.

 

[London_Calling]

There is so much bollocks being discussed in this thread I do not know where to start!

Bin Laden was not funded by the CIA in the 1980s. He had his own funding from rich Arab businessmen. The ‘Arab-Afghans’ were marginal players in the Afghan-Soviet War they did not effect the outcome. The Pashtun were the ones who beat back the Soviets – in those days they were not Islamists.

What "beat them back" was this kind of thing - usually fired by a chappie from this firm.

Fwiw, I'd agree there are misconceptions about ObL during that period and while his influence -and that of other Arabs- has been exaggerated, what can't be exaggerated is the impact the conflict had on him.

 

[warren]

What "beat them back" was this kind of thing - usually fired by a chappie from this firm.

Fwiw, I'd agree there are misconceptions about ObL during that period and while his influence -and that of other Arabs- has been exaggerated, what can't be exaggerated is the impact the conflict had on him.

For OBL the conflict re-enforced the concept of Hijra (flight as practiced by Mohammed) and defeating the more powerful enemy.

He eventually formulated the concept attacking the far enemy rather than the near enemy, something that even al-Zawahiri was against.

edit: grammatical

 

[Fruitloop]

There is so much bollocks being discussed in this thread I do not know where to start!

Bin Laden was not funded by the CIA in the 1980s. He had his own funding from rich Arab businessmen. The ‘Arab-Afghans’ were marginal players in the Afghan-Soviet War they did not effect the outcome. The Pashtun were the ones who beat back the Soviets – in those days they were not Islamists.

The Taliban in the 1990s were not Islamists either but followed a branch of Islam of Sufi inspired Deobandi Islam which was similar to Saudi-Wahabism but not the same. They follow a code of Pashtunwali which means they must provide shelter to any guests in the country.

Al-Qaeda follows its own brand of Salafism which is Takfriri inspired. In the Takfriri doctrine there is only dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb.

Even if the West stopped occupying Muslim lands al-Qaeda would still have flown planes into buildings on 9/11. The question is recruitment – how easily the Muslim ‘Gutter’ can recruit from the Muslim ‘Street’.

Bush has mismanaged the War on Terror - Iraq should never have been invaded. It is also winnable on both sides. The Algerian’s beat the GIA in the 1990s. It was a dodgy way of doing things - letting the GIA brutalise their own population so badly that the Muslim ‘Street’ turned against them.

Al-Qaeda want a Khalifate from Spain all the way to the Hindu-Kush and beyond - they then want to conquer the West and then the rest of the World.

Al-Qaeda is transforming, becoming even more extreme with with al-Zarqawi inspired Takfriri hatred of the Shi’i.

Good post.