Looking forward to seeing Bin Laden in a bodybag
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Derek
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WHAT UTTER RUBBISH!!!
Millions of Afghans have had to flee their homes and become refugees even before the bombing started. All the American government are interested in is protecting their economic interests in the middle east. They don't give a damn about the Afghan people. This bombing will kill thousands of Afghan civilians despite claims that they are only targeting military centres. It will be ordinary Afghan people who will suffer in this war despite the dropping of aid. And when this war is over the Taleban will most likely be replaced by anothyer brutal dictatorship like the Northern Alliance who also make their money from selling heroin to the west.
PK - I hesitate to intrude on such an excellent appraisal of the current events, but I have to pull you up over one factual inaccuracy. Trite and small-scale tho it may seems.
If you take the example of Grenada, the USA kicked ASS. Their crime was democratically electing a Socialist Government, and of course, they fully deserved what they got.
But of course that exercise was conducted under "sphere of influence" / "preserving the American way of life". These slogans have now been updated as "The War against Terrorism" (TWAT)
I have to say that I don't agree with all your body-bag stuff, but that this is the best discussive thread so far on the subject.
If you take the example of Grenada, the USA kicked ASS. Their crime was democratically electing a Socialist Government, and of course, they fully deserved what they got.
But of course that exercise was conducted under "sphere of influence" / "preserving the American way of life". These slogans have now been updated as "The War against Terrorism" (TWAT)
I have to say that I don't agree with all your body-bag stuff, but that this is the best discussive thread so far on the subject.
tried to read all of this thread. excellent debates all round. especially nice to see some 'non-left' comments. i'm sick of a lot of the criticism the west have been recieving on these boards. ok, so were not perfect, but the taliban and co are evil scum. anyone whos read up on them will know they have to be removed. anything is better than what afghans have had to put up with in the last 5 odd years.
what would life have been like for churchill on these boards had they have been around in the 40's. would a lot of you moaned then when he was trying to rid the world of the nazis?
last thing is brave men and women are kisking their lives over this region of the world as we type. these people are dedicated service men and women, with partners, parents and kids all over this country, racked with worry. these people are the very people guiding weapons away from civilians to destroy scum who treat women like you would not believe. they deserve our respect.
what would life have been like for churchill on these boards had they have been around in the 40's. would a lot of you moaned then when he was trying to rid the world of the nazis?
last thing is brave men and women are kisking their lives over this region of the world as we type. these people are dedicated service men and women, with partners, parents and kids all over this country, racked with worry. these people are the very people guiding weapons away from civilians to destroy scum who treat women like you would not believe. they deserve our respect.
pk
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Ah yes, Grenada.
What was it the public radio broadcast said that was transmitted to the island...oh yes...
"Citizens of Grenada - US Military forces have arrived in Grenada, to protect lives and restore order.
Your co-operation will ensure that peace and democracy are restored in the near future."
In other words, we don't like governments who dictate to their people, so we have invaded yours and we'll force you to adopt the values of democracy whether you like it or not.
Yeah. Break open the champagne.
What was it the public radio broadcast said that was transmitted to the island...oh yes...
"Citizens of Grenada - US Military forces have arrived in Grenada, to protect lives and restore order.
Your co-operation will ensure that peace and democracy are restored in the near future."
In other words, we don't like governments who dictate to their people, so we have invaded yours and we'll force you to adopt the values of democracy whether you like it or not.
Yeah. Break open the champagne.
pk
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Completely in agreement with Sorter, and Grasshopper rightly corrects me there.
And you know me by now, the "bodybag" headline grabbing rhetoric is what I do best I suppose, in an attempt to lure some of the less initiated right wing views into a sense of security - only to have them picked apart by the more reasonable and liberal peeps here.
Glad this thread isn't too confrontational.
Peace and blessings, and of course respect, innit.
pk
And you know me by now, the "bodybag" headline grabbing rhetoric is what I do best I suppose, in an attempt to lure some of the less initiated right wing views into a sense of security - only to have them picked apart by the more reasonable and liberal peeps here.
Glad this thread isn't too confrontational.
Peace and blessings, and of course respect, innit.
pk
bluestreak
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sorter - so what you're saying is that because we hate the taliban we have to accept the alternative as correct and worship those brave and amazingly well armed fuckers who are sent off to kill and die for the country.
well fuck that, these are the same brave men who recently bravely dropped bombs on civilians in belgrade and iraq. how fucking brave.
and like the boards are saying, are these the same brave men and women who go off when the american president decides that some democracy somewhere isn't the democracy that he wants and decides to democratically pick a new democracy for the people.
guess what, fuck that too.
i hope bin laden and his taliban pals are shown no mercy, but i wouldn;t sob if they managed to blow the shit out bush in some way, except that he'd no doubt be replaced by someone even more cowardly and stupid and who sucks the cocks of the super-rich even more.
and you know what, fuck him too.
idiots and arseholes, and i'm not picking a side. i hate them all and don't tell me to be grateful for because i don't live there cos you're right, our society isn't perrfect, its sick and twisted and the oly difference between capitalism and the taliban is that the taliban fucks its own citizens over whereas capitalism fucks other people somewhere where the consumers don't notice. i don't see the difference.
well fuck that, these are the same brave men who recently bravely dropped bombs on civilians in belgrade and iraq. how fucking brave.
and like the boards are saying, are these the same brave men and women who go off when the american president decides that some democracy somewhere isn't the democracy that he wants and decides to democratically pick a new democracy for the people.
guess what, fuck that too.
i hope bin laden and his taliban pals are shown no mercy, but i wouldn;t sob if they managed to blow the shit out bush in some way, except that he'd no doubt be replaced by someone even more cowardly and stupid and who sucks the cocks of the super-rich even more.
and you know what, fuck him too.
idiots and arseholes, and i'm not picking a side. i hate them all and don't tell me to be grateful for because i don't live there cos you're right, our society isn't perrfect, its sick and twisted and the oly difference between capitalism and the taliban is that the taliban fucks its own citizens over whereas capitalism fucks other people somewhere where the consumers don't notice. i don't see the difference.
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johnwisehammer
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"The reason bombs go in first is to wipe out anti-aircraft facilities to allow the food drops to go ahead unhindered!"
Actually, PK, as I suspect you well know, the Taleban and the Northern Alliance alike have been more than happy to accept aid shipments by road and there's no reason to suspect that will/would change.
Which is not to say I don't disagree with you.
Question (re Belgrade esp): at what point does military become civilian?
Actually, PK, as I suspect you well know, the Taleban and the Northern Alliance alike have been more than happy to accept aid shipments by road and there's no reason to suspect that will/would change.
Which is not to say I don't disagree with you.
Question (re Belgrade esp): at what point does military become civilian?
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lurchpinhead
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Dear all,
Well argued so far - what I'm worried about is how this can be a catalyst for peace when they are using weaponry to sort out their problems? It's a case of more long range war - they can't sort anything else from 10,000ft.
I also think that peace isn't too profitable for anyone - all that appeasing people for what? Sell them a few consumer goods. Cruise missiles are very expensive kits and ordanance makers like it when those replacement orders come in...I mean sell a few hamburgers or sell some warplanes - they have to get their priorities right.
I think most of this is about more western dominance - the terrorism is good for keeping public in line and justifies absolutely blatant military facism - I mean there is serious talk of deposing the Taliban and installing a monarchy of things! I mean what do these folk think? That it's gunna be like Brenda - all royal waves and WI outings?
Well argued so far - what I'm worried about is how this can be a catalyst for peace when they are using weaponry to sort out their problems? It's a case of more long range war - they can't sort anything else from 10,000ft.
I also think that peace isn't too profitable for anyone - all that appeasing people for what? Sell them a few consumer goods. Cruise missiles are very expensive kits and ordanance makers like it when those replacement orders come in...I mean sell a few hamburgers or sell some warplanes - they have to get their priorities right.
I think most of this is about more western dominance - the terrorism is good for keeping public in line and justifies absolutely blatant military facism - I mean there is serious talk of deposing the Taliban and installing a monarchy of things! I mean what do these folk think? That it's gunna be like Brenda - all royal waves and WI outings?
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Otto
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steelgate, you miss my point. At least the Americans are making the effort not to kill civilians. Bin Laden made it a point to kill civilians. If the Taliban was worried about civilians, they could simply turn over bin Laden and call it a day.
But frankly, I could care less about the morality of the situation. The sons of bitches are trying to kill me. I don't care if they bomb the place to powder and pave it into a parking lot for the Magic Kingdom of Islam. At least it'll get rid of a bunch of terrorists crackpots and a shitload of poppies at the same time.
A war without civilian casualties is called a fist fight. This is not a fist fight, so get used to the fact that civilians get whacked in wars.
As far as the northern alliance, I hope the US doesn't get sucked in to supporting "my enemy's enemy." That's how we've gotten in trouble supporting anti-communists. Hopefully it will be a brief marriage of convenience. Unfortunately there are no good alternatives for reasonable, moderate government in Afghanistan.
But frankly, I could care less about the morality of the situation. The sons of bitches are trying to kill me. I don't care if they bomb the place to powder and pave it into a parking lot for the Magic Kingdom of Islam. At least it'll get rid of a bunch of terrorists crackpots and a shitload of poppies at the same time.
A war without civilian casualties is called a fist fight. This is not a fist fight, so get used to the fact that civilians get whacked in wars.
As far as the northern alliance, I hope the US doesn't get sucked in to supporting "my enemy's enemy." That's how we've gotten in trouble supporting anti-communists. Hopefully it will be a brief marriage of convenience. Unfortunately there are no good alternatives for reasonable, moderate government in Afghanistan.
pk
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Bluestreak - it's not our fight, but it is our responsibility.
We are fortunate enough to be able to see what appears to be both sides.
The difference between "us" and the Taliban rule is that we are allowed to talk about it the way we are now.
That would earn us a bullet in the head, publically, if we were in Afghanistan.
Also, there will be no cameras filming this war, save those few in Kabul or the border areas. They are banned.
We will be relying on military reconnaisance film to see or to illustrate the coming "news", all of which filtered and censored by the Pentagon.
So this is why we have a responsibility to discuss it here from as many angles as possible.
We are fortunate enough to be able to see what appears to be both sides.
The difference between "us" and the Taliban rule is that we are allowed to talk about it the way we are now.
That would earn us a bullet in the head, publically, if we were in Afghanistan.
Also, there will be no cameras filming this war, save those few in Kabul or the border areas. They are banned.
We will be relying on military reconnaisance film to see or to illustrate the coming "news", all of which filtered and censored by the Pentagon.
So this is why we have a responsibility to discuss it here from as many angles as possible.
pk
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Lurch - the King of Afghanistan was once in place until he went to Italy to visit a dentist, his nephew kicked him out whilst he was gone.
It's not a monarchy the way we know it, but it's a return to the Afghanistan of old. Life was sweeter there under a monarchy, and many elders understand this.
It's a start.
It's not a monarchy the way we know it, but it's a return to the Afghanistan of old. Life was sweeter there under a monarchy, and many elders understand this.
It's a start.
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Otto
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And you're right pk, when it comes to starting wars, nobody beats the europeans. But as I recall, it was the damn yankees who had to finish your last two. And rebuild the continent afterwards.
edited to repond to to the correct left wing terrorist apologist.
[ 08 October 2001: Message edited by: otto ]
edited to repond to to the correct left wing terrorist apologist.
[ 08 October 2001: Message edited by: otto ]
pk
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otto - if they bombed it to powder as you eloquently put it, there would be the most horrific attacks on the USA you could ever imagine.
The Trade Center would look like a cigarette burn compared, and I do not believe the US would survive such a war. Especially if oil were withheld from US interests.
The US economy would collapse in seconds.
The Trade Center would look like a cigarette burn compared, and I do not believe the US would survive such a war. Especially if oil were withheld from US interests.
The US economy would collapse in seconds.
pk
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Oh, and I'm a "terrorist apologist" now am I, Otto?
Have you been reading any of my posts?
Or is it too much for you to cope with?
Don't forget, it is solely the USA who have been funding IRA activity that the UK have gotten used to over the last 25 years.
And you have the nerve to call me a "terrorist apologist".
I think this debate may be out of your depth, Otto. You seem to be flailing like a kid in the adult pool, anyway.
Have you been reading any of my posts?
Or is it too much for you to cope with?
Don't forget, it is solely the USA who have been funding IRA activity that the UK have gotten used to over the last 25 years.
And you have the nerve to call me a "terrorist apologist".
I think this debate may be out of your depth, Otto. You seem to be flailing like a kid in the adult pool, anyway.
WTF is this? Turn around and suddenly everybody's calling for blood, let's cosily vote for collatoral damage shall we? If it were just one kid die? Would that make it ok? That's one child deliberately chosen, policy passed, plans made, due legal process, democratic approval ratings measured, right, off we go, let's push the button, make the orders.
Are you stark raving bonkers?
We ALL agree that the 11/9 pilots were sick, twisted, there's some psychotic bastards out there behind them... so we watch while our two Gov/ts UK and US behave like sick, twisted, psychotic bastards, and we CHEER THEM ON? WE APPLAUD THEM?
Fuck. That's just sick. And stupid. And ignorant. And brutal and brutalised... I could go on, but fuck it, hang on, maybe you're getting an insight to the type of mind that's public enemy number one right now?
It's the little kid that was oh-dear tragically bullied at school, the one who was picked last... that's the kind of wanker we elect... and seems like the kind of jerk who's posting his (probably) infantile dreams of easy solutions, big brother coming in to sort things out, set Pax Americana in tatoos on their foreheads.
They won't enlist. They won't be able to look their Afgani neighbour in the eye, ever again. But, hey, it sounds good to sound tough and macho, to side with the bullies for a while.
Jesus. Did September the 11th - god rest all their souls - teach you nothing about human suffering, the preciousness of human life, the dispicable nature of terrorism?
And now you're applauding terrorism. Terrorism tit for tat this time from Uncle Sam, with his arselicker little bro along for the kudos.
No UN legitimacy? No vote through EU? No appeal to the International Court in the Hague? No request for intervention from Islamic jurists?
The Taliban may have been lying or playing for time, but, why not call their bluff? Provide some evidence (see other thread)?
They I can understand, in a sick kind of way: they gain influence, votes, oil, subject peoples, good press.
The wankers posting here in support? Speachless. PK? Are you not ashamed of yourself?
It's like you've got a John Wayne take on bullying in the playground.
Because it's to do with human life it's sick,... otherwise it'd just be sad.
I would be the last to try to suppress differing views. I don't want to appear to simply 'flame' - it's passion, it's the knowledge that expensive lumps of metal are bombing to fuck my brother, your brother, my sister, your sister. Go to bed and pray for them you dumb fuck. Beg their forgiveness.
Are you stark raving bonkers?
We ALL agree that the 11/9 pilots were sick, twisted, there's some psychotic bastards out there behind them... so we watch while our two Gov/ts UK and US behave like sick, twisted, psychotic bastards, and we CHEER THEM ON? WE APPLAUD THEM?
Fuck. That's just sick. And stupid. And ignorant. And brutal and brutalised... I could go on, but fuck it, hang on, maybe you're getting an insight to the type of mind that's public enemy number one right now?
It's the little kid that was oh-dear tragically bullied at school, the one who was picked last... that's the kind of wanker we elect... and seems like the kind of jerk who's posting his (probably) infantile dreams of easy solutions, big brother coming in to sort things out, set Pax Americana in tatoos on their foreheads.
They won't enlist. They won't be able to look their Afgani neighbour in the eye, ever again. But, hey, it sounds good to sound tough and macho, to side with the bullies for a while.
Jesus. Did September the 11th - god rest all their souls - teach you nothing about human suffering, the preciousness of human life, the dispicable nature of terrorism?
And now you're applauding terrorism. Terrorism tit for tat this time from Uncle Sam, with his arselicker little bro along for the kudos.
No UN legitimacy? No vote through EU? No appeal to the International Court in the Hague? No request for intervention from Islamic jurists?
The Taliban may have been lying or playing for time, but, why not call their bluff? Provide some evidence (see other thread)?
They I can understand, in a sick kind of way: they gain influence, votes, oil, subject peoples, good press.
The wankers posting here in support? Speachless. PK? Are you not ashamed of yourself?
It's like you've got a John Wayne take on bullying in the playground.
Because it's to do with human life it's sick,... otherwise it'd just be sad.
I would be the last to try to suppress differing views. I don't want to appear to simply 'flame' - it's passion, it's the knowledge that expensive lumps of metal are bombing to fuck my brother, your brother, my sister, your sister. Go to bed and pray for them you dumb fuck. Beg their forgiveness.
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Otto
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pk, bombing the country to powder is called hyperbole. I don't acually mean bomb the place to powder. I mean that whatever effective measures need to be taken to kill bin Laden and remove whoever is supporting terrorist activities and organizations is fine by me. If the US can do it gently and kindly, fine. If we need to kick ass and take names, fine. I have no moral reservations within the accepted limits of conventional warfare. And if some civilians get in the way, se la guerre.
It's called the Marshall Plan. After WW2, the US spent billions rebuilding Europe. There was another such plan to rebuild Japan, but I don't recall it's name.
It's called the Marshall Plan. After WW2, the US spent billions rebuilding Europe. There was another such plan to rebuild Japan, but I don't recall it's name.
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Whowhere
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Why is it, from reading a previous post about the WTC being the centre of economic domination, some of you seem to be revelling in it?
You make me sick, you think that because of that building's apparent purpose the attack was justified? You think that the attacks should go unpunished?
What do you suggest we do, I know. Instead of bombing Osama to pieces, lets invite over here, let him stay in a few hotels and we'll hold a nice trial for him. Until some perverted lawyer decides that WE are somehow denying him his human rights and he gets off scot free.
I'm all for free speech, but people like you are practically inviting terrorists to carry on.
As for the war being about protecting our assets in the East, so what? Where would we be without those assets? For a start you wouldn't be sitting here reading my post, without the oil from over there you wouldn't have a computer. No oil means no plastic. Unless all the oil burning power plants were converted to nuclear (and we all know how much you'd complain then) we wouldn't have any power. If we suddenly lost our "assets" life would grind to a halt.
I think you need to rethink your political stance, and instead of thinking about the few hundred civilians at risk in Afghanistan, you should think about the few million lives closer to home, that would be at risk if the Taliban somehow manage to retaliate.
This is something, that if the war is not ended quickly we to see in a country near us.
You make me sick, you think that because of that building's apparent purpose the attack was justified? You think that the attacks should go unpunished?
What do you suggest we do, I know. Instead of bombing Osama to pieces, lets invite over here, let him stay in a few hotels and we'll hold a nice trial for him. Until some perverted lawyer decides that WE are somehow denying him his human rights and he gets off scot free.
I'm all for free speech, but people like you are practically inviting terrorists to carry on.
As for the war being about protecting our assets in the East, so what? Where would we be without those assets? For a start you wouldn't be sitting here reading my post, without the oil from over there you wouldn't have a computer. No oil means no plastic. Unless all the oil burning power plants were converted to nuclear (and we all know how much you'd complain then) we wouldn't have any power. If we suddenly lost our "assets" life would grind to a halt.
I think you need to rethink your political stance, and instead of thinking about the few hundred civilians at risk in Afghanistan, you should think about the few million lives closer to home, that would be at risk if the Taliban somehow manage to retaliate.
This is something, that if the war is not ended quickly we to see in a country near us.
J
johnwisehammer
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"se la guerre" (snigger at pretentious bastard - that was a bit of a folks pass, wasn't it?)
"It's not a monarchy the way we know it, but it's a return to the Afghanistan of old. Life was sweeter there under a monarchy, and many elders understand this."
Oh, PK - come on - you're right in the sense it was only a relatively fucked out country then as compared to a totally fucked out country now, but:
1) he's from the Pashtun majority and is unpopular with the Tajiks etc that remember him as the repressive, cack-handed fuckwit he was
2) he's 88 years old (or very close to it) and very dim
3) he's been away for 35 years - this in a country where a huge part of the population is under 16
4) he was unpopular when he got kicked out
5) these fucking American restitutions of unpopular monarchs (and most of them generally) never work out and always fall apart in the end
"It's not a monarchy the way we know it, but it's a return to the Afghanistan of old. Life was sweeter there under a monarchy, and many elders understand this."
Oh, PK - come on - you're right in the sense it was only a relatively fucked out country then as compared to a totally fucked out country now, but:
1) he's from the Pashtun majority and is unpopular with the Tajiks etc that remember him as the repressive, cack-handed fuckwit he was
2) he's 88 years old (or very close to it) and very dim
3) he's been away for 35 years - this in a country where a huge part of the population is under 16
4) he was unpopular when he got kicked out
5) these fucking American restitutions of unpopular monarchs (and most of them generally) never work out and always fall apart in the end
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Otto
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bruise, I never said I was happy about bombing the shit out of Afghanistan and other potential terrorist supporting states,, just that it needs doing. And as the saying goes, any job worth doing is worth doing well. This job will not be done well until a lot of people who need killing are in fact killed. There is no other way to resolve this conflict. Winning isn't everything in this conflict, it's the only thing, by any means necessary, to paraphrase Vince Lombardi and Malcolm X at the same time.
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kissthecat
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Cretins.
pk
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"Are you stark raving bonkers?"
Yes, often. You know me by now.
"We ALL agree that the 11/9 pilots were sick, twisted, there's some psychotic bastards out there behind them..."
Yes, we do.
"so we watch while our two Gov/ts UK and US behave like sick, twisted, psychotic bastards, and we CHEER THEM ON? WE APPLAUD THEM?"
I'm not applauding the action by any means, but I would like to see Bin Laden's eye sockets reduced to ash.
"It's the little kid that was oh-dear tragically bullied at school, the one who was picked last..."
Yes, I made that comparison in the "Syria"
thread, go have a look.
Jesus. Did September the 11th - god rest all their souls - teach you nothing about human suffering, the preciousness of human life, the dispicable nature of terrorism?
Yes it did, and it was clear that SOMETHING had to be done to prevent that kind of action happening anywhere again.
"And now you're applauding terrorism. Terrorism tit for tat this time from Uncle Sam, with his arselicker little bro along for the kudos".
No, I don't think I'm applauding any terrorism. Subjective bombing raids I do agree with, to destroy the Taliban's capability to down aircraft delivering aid, or to train further Sept.11 pilots.
And I don't think the British effort can be simplified like that. We are the only nation with troops who can handle the terrain.
"No UN legitimacy? No vote through EU? No appeal to the International Court in the Hague? No request for intervention from Islamic jurists?"
There was discussion, and a coalition formed. The resulting forces are the fruit of those discussions.
"The Taliban may have been lying or playing for time, but, why not call their bluff?Provide some evidence?"
And give them time to re-group or perhaps try some further terror tactics?
"The w**kers posting here in support? Speachless. PK? Are you not ashamed of yourself?"
No.
"It's like you've got a John Wayne take on bullying in the playground."
See the Syria thread.
"It's the knowledge that expensive lumps of metal are bombing to f*ck my brother, your brother, my sister, your sister".
Yes, and they have been doing for six years under the Taliban, but where were your words of anguish then?
"Go to bed and pray for them you dumb f*ck."
Be careful now.
"Beg their forgiveness"
I should be forgiven? By the Afghanis?
For wanting to free them from political and religeously meted hypocrisy, starvation and misery?? I mean, what do you suggest, politely walking up to Taliban leaders and saying "excuse me chaps, you've had your fun, now please clear off"??
I am far from ashamed. Like I said at the top of this thread, this thing should be seen as a catalyst for a lasting peace, not further war.
Yes, often. You know me by now.
"We ALL agree that the 11/9 pilots were sick, twisted, there's some psychotic bastards out there behind them..."
Yes, we do.
"so we watch while our two Gov/ts UK and US behave like sick, twisted, psychotic bastards, and we CHEER THEM ON? WE APPLAUD THEM?"
I'm not applauding the action by any means, but I would like to see Bin Laden's eye sockets reduced to ash.
"It's the little kid that was oh-dear tragically bullied at school, the one who was picked last..."
Yes, I made that comparison in the "Syria"
thread, go have a look.
Jesus. Did September the 11th - god rest all their souls - teach you nothing about human suffering, the preciousness of human life, the dispicable nature of terrorism?
Yes it did, and it was clear that SOMETHING had to be done to prevent that kind of action happening anywhere again.
"And now you're applauding terrorism. Terrorism tit for tat this time from Uncle Sam, with his arselicker little bro along for the kudos".
No, I don't think I'm applauding any terrorism. Subjective bombing raids I do agree with, to destroy the Taliban's capability to down aircraft delivering aid, or to train further Sept.11 pilots.
And I don't think the British effort can be simplified like that. We are the only nation with troops who can handle the terrain.
"No UN legitimacy? No vote through EU? No appeal to the International Court in the Hague? No request for intervention from Islamic jurists?"
There was discussion, and a coalition formed. The resulting forces are the fruit of those discussions.
"The Taliban may have been lying or playing for time, but, why not call their bluff?Provide some evidence?"
And give them time to re-group or perhaps try some further terror tactics?
"The w**kers posting here in support? Speachless. PK? Are you not ashamed of yourself?"
No.
"It's like you've got a John Wayne take on bullying in the playground."
See the Syria thread.
"It's the knowledge that expensive lumps of metal are bombing to f*ck my brother, your brother, my sister, your sister".
Yes, and they have been doing for six years under the Taliban, but where were your words of anguish then?
"Go to bed and pray for them you dumb f*ck."
Be careful now.
"Beg their forgiveness"
I should be forgiven? By the Afghanis?
For wanting to free them from political and religeously meted hypocrisy, starvation and misery?? I mean, what do you suggest, politely walking up to Taliban leaders and saying "excuse me chaps, you've had your fun, now please clear off"??
I am far from ashamed. Like I said at the top of this thread, this thing should be seen as a catalyst for a lasting peace, not further war.
pk
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JWH - I'm not suggesting the King would be able to stabilise the country in the long term, merely pointing out to "lurch pinhead" that there was a monarchy in place well before all this happened.
I don't think the King will be around for long, but a familiar face is he, compared to the hidden one of the Taliban.
[ 08 October 2001: Message edited by: pk ]
I don't think the King will be around for long, but a familiar face is he, compared to the hidden one of the Taliban.
[ 08 October 2001: Message edited by: pk ]
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Otto
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pk, I apologize for my earlier mischaracterization. I confused you with someone else.
UN legitamacy? Who cares what those fuckers think? They couldn't find there asses with two hands, a compass, and an indian guide. And they'd spend a shitload of American money trying.
EU approval? Whatever.
As usual, there is a lot of criticism here, little of it constructive.
UN legitamacy? Who cares what those fuckers think? They couldn't find there asses with two hands, a compass, and an indian guide. And they'd spend a shitload of American money trying.
EU approval? Whatever.
As usual, there is a lot of criticism here, little of it constructive.
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Otto
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pk, you say America-centric like it's a bad thing. Isn't this an America-centric issue. I don't see any Europeans besides the British strapping on a pair and getting involved. Is there some other centric I should be?
Money is exactly the point. That's why they destroyed the WORLD TRADE CENTER.
Without the friggin' UN, the third world would just have to send it's petty diplomats on junkets on the IOC's or the World Bank's dime instead. No other country in this world spends so much money for the privilege of getting shit from other countries. Maybe
we should relocate the UN to France. That way the UN delegates could get their graciousness repayed in kind.
Money is exactly the point. That's why they destroyed the WORLD TRADE CENTER.
Without the friggin' UN, the third world would just have to send it's petty diplomats on junkets on the IOC's or the World Bank's dime instead. No other country in this world spends so much money for the privilege of getting shit from other countries. Maybe
we should relocate the UN to France. That way the UN delegates could get their graciousness repayed in kind.
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