Londoner videos his bullshit anti "terror" stop and search

[Guineveretoo]

slight derail/
I recognise that as Waterloo station.
/slight derail

 

[London_Calling]

Feels like so much these days; one agenda hidden behind another - this was no more about terrah than the ID card project is about the same.

This feels more about dodgy credit cards, just as the whole ID card thing is actually about preventing mortgage/ID/credit card fraud for shareholders.

I don't know if I can blame the police on the street . . .

 

[detective-boy]

"What offence are you charging me with."

Yeah, always a good idea to prove that you haven't got the faintest fucking idea what you're talking about ....

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Good excuse for being late for work

 

[stanie]

Terrorism is blowing 57 people to pieces on the tube, you twat.

Sal

blowing up 55 people is ok then?

youre pretty naive

 

[SpookyFrank]

what fucking century you living in? ..bitch....wife at home..

My humblest apologies. Here for your perusal is that post again with all the fun sucked out of it:

That does happen in this country, just not legally. Filming plod is often taking as 'obstructing a police officer' which can be either grounds for arrest or simply nicking your camera depending on how unpleasant the copper's wife/husband/life partner was being before he/she left for work that day and/or how well the officer in question finds him or herself able to deal with the many pressures, tough decisions and moral ambiguitites inherent in policework and/or whether or not the officer in question is simply a nasty piece of work who feels the public has no right to take personal responsibility for monitoring his or her activities despite the fact that these are carried out in the name of public service and/or any other factors which could possibly affect the officer's behaviour with the result that said officer might find him or herself acting in an unjust or even unlawful manner when this would not normally be the case. But lets face it, if a copper is in trouble with the missus (who may or may not have a career of her own, as if I said or even implied otherwise in the non lame version of this post) he's more likely to treat those he encounters in the pursuit of his duties badly now isn't he? Because that's just obvious.

Well I tried

 

[Das Uberdog]

Oh, leave the porkers alone! It's only a *job* after all!

It's not like we all shouldn't be fucking livid at the fact that they have the legal authority to stop us and ask us any questions in the first place.

If some stranger came up and demanded the right to rifle through my bag, they'd get told where to go. Why should I take that bullshit off a copper?

 

[JHE]

Toytown Bolsheviks like Uberpuppy like to pretend to be 'livid' at police powers - in this case the power to stop people, ask them questions and look in their bags and pockets. In fact, Toytown Bolsheviks are great admirers of the ruthless Cheka.

A real Bolshevik, Felix Dzerzhinsky, head of the Cheka:

 

[Cobbles]

The only thing that's "bullshit" about the process is the way that the police have to randomly search to ensure that they have an average racial mix, as opposed to operating based on sensible profiling.

 

[Das Uberdog]

Toytown Bolsheviks like Uberpuppy like to pretend to be 'livid' at police powers - in this case the power to stop people, ask them questions and look in their bags and pockets. In fact, Toytown Bolsheviks are great admirers of the ruthless Cheka.

A real Bolshevik, Felix Dzerzhinsky, head of the Cheka:

So you think coppers should have the right to just rifle through your pockets at whim?

 

[SpookyFrank]

The only thing that's "bullshit" about the process is the way that the police have to randomly search to ensure that they have an average racial mix, as opposed to operating based on sensible profiling.

I think you'll find that exclusively harassing a particular ethnic group is a) unfair, b) illegal, c) further motivation for people to want to become terrorists in the first place and d) happening anyway. Happy now?

The last attempted suicide bombing in this country was by a white guy from Plymouth btw.

 

[Darios]

Meanwhile, this weekend outside Sheffield's flagship nightclub, Club Vibe, a lot of well known "faces" from Sheffield and Leeds decide to have a battle royale.

The Sheffield Crew takes a land rover, while the Leeds crew take a BMW and they ram into eachother at high speed. The remainder of the crews outside of the vehicles, and those still in fighting shape in the vehicles then go at it and batter eachother.

South Yorks police, bless 'em, manage to seal off the road. You'll note that the location is in the middle of the city, where people are still returning home, by foot, and taxi, from their nights out.

So we had a lot of well known people in Yorkshire's underworld taking part in a major altercation, in a busy part of sheffield in the early morning hours.

How many arrests?

That'll be a big fat 0.

Newspaper column inches?

That'll be a big fat 0 too.

I think I can legitimately state that these people cause very real terror and misery to lots of people. They're off the hook though as long as they're not remotely political and not kiddyfiddlers. It's a kind of cognitive dissonance par excellance.

GO SYORKS POLICE!

I mean, why go after very real, nasty fucks when you can instead chase some vague spooky international terrorist gang?

 

[pk]

Meanwhile, this weekend outside Sheffield's flagship nightclub, Club Vibe, a lot of well known "faces" from Sheffield and Leeds decide to have a battle royale.

The Sheffield Crew takes a land rover, while the Leeds crew take a BMW and they ram into eachother at high speed. The remainder of the crews outside of the vehicles, and those still in fighting shape in the vehicles then go at it and batter eachother.

Any violent and agonising deaths? *crosses fingers*

 

[Darios]

Any violent and agonising deaths? *crosses fingers*

Sadly not. They gave eachother a good shoeing though - some broken bones at least.

 

[CyberRose]

People used to get randomly stopped all the time at Leeds station in the aftermath of 7/7 (which is understandable as that's the region the bombers came from) and every so often I see people being randomly stopped now. Don't think I've ever sen anyone complain or any lifestyle anarchist/student types whip out their parent-bought camcorder to film the people who are doing their job to try and protect the public. Of course, in U75 land, 7/7 was a government inside job and there are no such things as terrorists, and the kind of powers exercised in that video are designted to counter the socialist revolution...

 

[CyberRose]

d) happening anyway

I've never seen an Asian person stopped and searched at Leeds, but seen plenty of white people stopped. I've always thought it was cos the police were so shit scared to stop an Asian person for fear of being labelled racist by society

 

[Darios]

I've never seen an Asian person stopped and searched at Leeds, but seen plenty of white people stopped. I've always thought it was cos the police were so shit scared to stop an Asian person for fear of being labelled racist by society

So you're acknowledging that in those cases it is pretty much a pantomime then?

This is likewise the reason the police simply do not get involved in violent incidents at certain nightclubs in Sheffield. They'd rather let these people stab/shoot eachother than deal with the consequences of being accused of racism. And to be honest, given this kind of utter bollocks I don't blame them.

Let s/he who be the first to throw around cheap accusations of racism be the first to be stabbed out of view of the police officers.

 

[CyberRose]

So you're acknowledging that in those cases it is pretty much a pantomime then?

Yes and no. It may deter would be terrorists from going to train stations out of fear of having their plans thwarted before reaching their target? But that's stretching it a bit

This is likewise the reason the police simply do not get involved in violent incidents at certain nightclubs in Sheffield. They'd rather let these people stab/shoot eachother than deal with the consequences of being accused of racism. And to be honest, given this kind of utter bollocks I don't blame them.

Those police were found to have done nothing wrong, and if you ask me, I'd burn Niche to the ground with everyone in it if you were serious about fighting crime in Sheffield. As for what went off at Sheff the other night, if it were between gangs, I'm sure it's hard for the police to do anything if nobody talks, as seems to be the case involving gangs. The police can't arrest anyone unless they think they can get a conviction

Let s/he who be the first to throw around cheap accusations of racism be the first to be stabbed out of view of the police officers.

Heh, quite

 

[Darios]

Those police were found to have done nothing wrong, and if you ask me, I'd burn Niche to the ground with everyone in it if you were serious about fighting crime in Sheffield. As for what went off at Sheff the other night, if it were between gangs, I'm sure it's hard for the police to do anything if nobody talks, as seems to be the case involving gangs. The police can't arrest anyone unless they think they can get a conviction

Fucking hell. High fives all around. You'll find some of the lads on the Vibe door team would agree with you too. Yes you're right the coppers did nothing wrong in that case and it sickened me to my stomach to see all of the utter bollocks pontificating and posturing surrounding that incident, especially from that tosser Ruggie Johnson. You can lay the recent stabbing in Uniq partially at his feet. The police were there in time (and in sufficient numbers) to have been able to stop it but didn't go in.....

With regard to the car smash incident tbh you're giving the police far too much credit in this case. There's plenty of CCTV outside that stretch for starters, plus Vibe's cameras would have picked up some of the faces (not all of them because a lot of them - wisely - keep their faces well covered) going in and out. They know exactly who these fucks are in any case. Even if I was to be charitable and say that they're just using Vibe to act as a lightning rod for these scum to keep them away from other clubs, I, and no one I know can really seem to understand how/why the police allowed the venue to move from the old Niche venue, which was out of everyone's way, to Charter Row, right in the fucking middle of everyone else.

 

[Woollyredhat]

People used to get randomly stopped all the time at Leeds station in the aftermath of 7/7 (which is understandable as that's the region the bombers came from) and every so often I see people being randomly stopped now. Don't think I've ever sen anyone complain or any lifestyle anarchist/student types whip out their parent-bought camcorder to film the people who are doing their job to try and protect the public. Of course, in U75 land, 7/7 was a government inside job and there are no such things as terrorists, and the kind of powers exercised in that video are designted to counter the socialist revolution...

I don't see how stop and searches like this are effective in any way though. Out of all the people living in London and the rest of the U.K, the chances of finding someone with possible Terroist information ( and tbh you'd be pretty dumb carrying around a shit load of fishy documents in the first place bu anyway) are very slim, as he pointed out, there were 6,000 other people in the station, more probably, point is, it's fairytale thinking that this is going to be effective, especially when no suspicions are being held, which the cops openly admitted to him in the begining. So I think it's important for people like him to show others what's going on. Show me a case where a random search like this one has achieved anything.

 

[CyberRose]

I'm not saying it achieves much (other than possibly act as a deterrent) all I'm saying is what exactly is the harm and why should some stuck up student twat have to gode the police like that for doing their jobs?

Also, if we look outside of terrorism, I'm sure there are countless times when random stop and search have produced results

 

[Woollyredhat]

O.k fair enough, but if that happened to me on more than one occasion I would get quite agitated, because let's face it, it's no fun being searched in front of everybody, standing there whole they root through your stuff. As for the person who filmed it, while he was arrogant enough, he could have been worse, he wasn't abusive and he does have the right to ask questions ( in an orderly manner), what with this freedom and all that.

 

[lights.out.london]

As far as I can see, this stop and search is trawling for other things. The chances of stopping a suicide-belted bomber at Waterloo is low. But if the police can hide behind anti-terrorism laws, why not use them to pick-up the drunk, the truculent, people carrying weed, and so on.

I refuse to be searched, to the point where they inform me they'll cuff me and arrest me, as they are entitled to do. I won't give a name and address. I try to be bland-but-charming, but as non-co-operational as I can be. It's a pain in the arse getting arrested for refusing a search. Just the time it takes to be processed.

Last time I looked, I was a 'free' man, living in a 'democracy' called the UK, not just another country...

Police? Fire. Piss. Step. Over. On. If. They. Were. Them etc

 

[winjer]

Incidentally, the guy being searched had no legal right to film as he was on private property.

No, the owner or their agent had the right to ask him to leave if they objected to the filming. He has an implied consent otherwise.