London smoker-friendly pubs thread

[rutabowa]

Of course I don't think that everything that pisses me off should be banned

I think the issue is one of human rights

Non-smokers should have the right to not be injured by environmental smoke

Smokers should have the right to smoke providing they don't inflict their smoke on others

The way to achieve both these rights is for smoking to be permitted within contained environments only

FWIW, and I'll say it again, I think that there should be some pubs and clubs where smoking is permitted but it should not be permitted on the streets

so would you like anything in the environment that could possibly cause anyone harm to be banned?

 

[rutabowa]

Of course people shouldn't smoke in the streets, it's dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social

I think this is the most enlightening sentence. "dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social", emotive words, very subjective... but you think it is "common sense", that is dangerous thinking.

 

[tarannau]

Personally I'd like to ban cats from the streets - apparently, along with 25% of the population, I'm slightly allergic to them. Like parts of the US we should also ban perfume and artificial scents from enclosed areas - they can cause severe and immediate reactions.

And can we get ban the eating of Scampi fries in public spaces whilst we're at it - they smell well nasty. What about them polluting car things too.

Human rights my arse. It's selfishness and personal preference wrapped up in a pious, patronising public-interest tone.

 

[rutabowa]

Personally I'd like to ban cats from the streets - apparently, along with 25% of the population, I'm slightly allergic to them. Like parts of the US we should also ban perfume and artificial scents from enclosed areas - they can cause severe and immediate reactions.

And can we get ban the eating of Scampi fries in public spaces whilst we're at it - they smell well nasty. What about them polluting car things too.

Human rights my arse. It's selfishness and personal preference wrapped up in a pious, patronising public-interest tone.

my mate is allergic to roses, they bring out a rash.

 

[Louloubelle]

I think this is the most enlightening sentence. "dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social", emotive words, very subjective... but you think it is "common sense", that is dangerous thinking.

Loads of people don't like being subjected to smoke on the streets.

To those of us who don't it is subjective of course. Everything is subjective. To many people, subjectively, smoking stinks, it makes it hard to breathe it is anti social

For those who don't care about other people they just smoke and think "I don't care about anyone else's objections, I'll do what I want!" Another subjective perspective.

Before the ban considerate smokers could decide not to smoke on the streets, now they don't have much of an option.

I'm curious to understand that, given that a lot of people (possibly the majority of people, as the majority don't smoke, but even if a sizable minority) don't like to be exposed to smoke, how do the smokers who feel entitled to continue smoking in the strets feel about the objections of others?

Do you

a) not care about other people's feelings/ wishes / health
b) you care but you've been banned from smoking in pubs so you don't have a choice
c) you chose to believe that others are exagerating / inventing objections for some unknown reason or that people are not really as bothered by smoke as they say

or some other thing

genuine question

 

[Roadkill]

<surveys wreckage of thread>

You really can't help yourself, can you, louloubelle?

 

[og ogilby]

I don't know if this is true or not, but someone told me that the first law passed by Hitlers National Socialist Party when it came to power was the banning of smoking in public places.

Anyone know if this is true, or is it bullshit?

 

[rutabowa]

Loads of people don't like being subjected to smoke on the streets.

really? i think it's a crazy, tiny minority. as a matter of fact, i have NEVER heard ANYONE in real life say anything about people smoking in the street. but it is impossible to argue with fanatics, so I'm done.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Of course people shouldn't smoke in the streets, it's dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social

This is why they should have somewhere contained to smoke. It's an addiction and they need an enclosed space to smoke, and will continue to need that space until they either give up or die

Obviously

So are car/motorbike exhaust fumes














Sorry to hear about your mother though

 

[Louloubelle]

really? i think it's a crazy, tiny minority. as a matter of fact, i have NEVER heard ANYONE in real life say anything about people smoking in the street. but it is impossible to argue with fanatics, so I'm done.

I'm a member of a few smoke free yahoo and other similar groups and people post messages about it all the time.

If you're a smoker you probably won't ever be in the same place as people with views different to your own for very obvious reasons.

 

[Louloubelle]

So are car/motorbike exhaust fumes

You want to pedestrianize large areas of London? Tax driving / cars at very high rates and increase cycle lanes and public transport? I'm all for it.

Sorry to hear about your mother though

thanks

 

[tarannau]

Same here. I don't smoke for what it's worth, but I've never heard anyone bar a couple of self-obsessed up their own arse numpties suggest a smoking ban outdoors. A bit of personal freedom and acceptance of others goes a long way - it's an unedifying sight watching someone trying to scrabble for the moral high ground and trying to pontificate downwards in holier-than-thou to others.

We live in a dirty urban environment, full of airborne particulants and irritants. It's nonsense to suggest that banning smoking outdoors should be one of our priorities. Personally I'd rather ban flowers and perfumes, both of which can leave my eyes streaming and me virtually unable to breate in the wrong conditions. Strangely enough I don't see fit to pop onto bulletin boards and emotively moralise to others.

 

[og ogilby]

I noticed in the pub last night that I now have no way of knowing who I am more socialy compatible with because everyone looks the same. Boring.

 

[rutabowa]

I'm a member of a few smoke free yahoo and other similar groups and people post messages about it all the time.

do you not think people who join a smoke free news group, ON THE INTERNET FOR GOD'S SAKE WHERE IT IS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO LIGHT UP, might have a slightly skewed opinion compared to the rest of society.

If you're a smoker you probably won't ever be in the same place as people with views different to your own for very obvious reasons.

This is just absolutely nuts, and pretty fucking insulting.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You want to pedestrianize large areas of London?

Yes, I don't drive so I'm alright. They can keep buses though

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I noticed in the pub last night that I now have no way of knowing who I am more socialy compatible with because everyone looks the same. Boring.

Take a quick look outside then you'll get an idea

 

[tarannau]

It's strange now isn't it? The last couple of nights I've been to the pub and there are far more people outside than in, despite the cold weather and drizzle.

I like the way that some resourceful chaps at the Hob had dragged a table underneath the gazebo, another under the porch of the closed saloon bar. The most popular seats are now the ones by the doors, so people can just about keep an eye on their possessions and gossip to the folks on their table from outside.

Bloody pool games took ages too - people kept nipping out mid-game or we'd have to retrieve the next player and so on. It's a bit cack.

 

[Skim]

Louloubelle: it's sad that you suffer from such bad asthma and I'm very sorry to hear about your mum. But can you – along with the other anti-smokers here – take the argument to another thread, please?

This was a great idea for a thread and now its been hijacked. There are countless other thrads to discuss the rights and wrongs of smoking, and anyone is free to start another one. But please... can we keep this thread for the smokers who want to discuss which pubs are suitable for smoking outside?

A bit of personal freedom and acceptance of others goes a long way - it's an unedifying sight watching someone trying to scrabble for the moral high ground and trying to pontificate downwards in holier-than-thou to others.

We live in a dirty urban environment, full of airborne particulants and irritants. It's nonsense to suggest that banning smoking outdoors should be one of our priorities.

Tarannau hits nail on head again...

 

[Louloubelle]

Tarannau hits nail on head again...

I thought you said you didn't want this thread to become a discussion about smoking



make your mind up

 

[Skim]

I thought you said you didn't want this thread to become a discussion about smoking



make your mind up

I don't, but Tarannau has really summed up how I feel about this ridiculous notion of banning smoking from the streets.

I am more than ready to get back on topic with this thread...

 

[Louloubelle]

I don't, but Tarannau has really summed up how I feel about this ridiculous notion of banning smoking from the streets.

I am more than ready to get back on topic with this thread...

so you're happy to continue the debate provided that all opinions are the same as your own and you want to have the last word?

LOL

I'd like to reply to something that another poster said as I'm curious about it

and I will so ner

do you not think people who join a smoke free news group, ON THE INTERNET FOR GOD'S SAKE WHERE IT IS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO LIGHT UP, might have a slightly skewed opinion compared to the rest of society.

I think you've misunderstood the rationale behind smoke free groups

This is just absolutely nuts, and pretty fucking insulting.

It's not nuts at all
Plenty of people don't want to be in the same place as smokers because they don't like smoke / smoke makes them ill
Plenty of people don't want to even be around smokers because the smell stays on their clothes and breath even when they're not smoking

Surely you're not trying to pretend that you don't know this?
Or is what I said insulting in some other way?

 

[rutabowa]

I think you've misunderstood the rationale behind smoke free groups

i haven't misunderstood the rationale at all. My point was that you have a very skewed view of society, maybe from spending a lot of time on these internet groups I don't know. Which is what lead to you saying I wouldn't have a clue what non-smokers think because I wouldn't get to talk to them. This is honestly a really fucked-up way of thinking, which you are trying to disguise as common sense.

 

[Skim]

No Louloubelle, I don't want the last word, I just want you to start your own thread!

*goes for a fag*

 

[rutabowa]

No Louloubelle, I don't want the last word, I just want you to start your own thread!

*goes for a fag*

ooh nice idea, i'll see you outside.

 

[Louloubelle]

i haven't misunderstood the rationale at all. My point was that you have a very skewed view of society, maybe from spending a lot of time on these internet groups I don't know. Which is what lead to you saying I wouldn't have a clue what non-smokers think because I wouldn't get to talk to them. This is honestly a really fucked-up way of thinking, which you are trying to disguise as common sense.

You misunderstood what i said
I said that you were unlikely to know what people who can't tolerate / don't like smoke think as you're a smoker. My reason for this is given in my last post and I think the reasons are quite logical

On reflection though my post is not entirely true of course as I'm one of those people and I can tell you on line just like I'm doing now

Whether you hear it from me or from someone else though I don't think it's going to change how you feel as you seem to be determined to carry on smoking, regardless of what anyone else thinks or says

If you really are interested in whether people on the streets mind if you smoke why not ask "do you mind if I smoke?" the next time you're sitting at a bus shelter? You might be surprised at what people say to you

I will leave this thread now and FWIW I hope you find some pubs somewhere where you can smoke

 

[Louloubelle]

No Louloubelle, I don't want the last word,

O RLY?

*not how it looks to me I have to say*

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

You misunderstood what i said
I said that you were unlikely to know what people who can't tolerate / don't like smoke think as you're a smoker. My reason for this is given in my last post and I think the reasons are quite logical

On reflection though my post is not entirely true of course as I'm one of those people and I can tell you on line just like I'm doing now

Whether you hear it from me or from someone else though I don't think it's going to change how you feel as you seem to be determined to carry on smoking, regardless of what anyone else thinks or says

If you really are interested in whether people on the streets mind if you smoke why not ask "do you mind if I smoke?" the next time you're sitting at a bus shelter? You might be surprised at what people say to you

I will leave this thread now and FWIW I hope you find some pubs somewhere where you can smoke

Actually, although I smoke in the street, I normally check direction and stand away from people who aren't smoking. I'm nice like that

 

[Skim]

O RLY?

[/SIZE]

Yeah, O RLY!

(Bloody hell, we could do this all day... )

 

[tarannau]

he smell stays on their clothes and breath even when they're not smoking

Surely you're not trying to pretend that you don't know this?
Or is what I said insulting in some other way?

It's the patronising, unbalanced way in which you pontificate to others that's insulting. I don't even smoke cigarettes and you get my back up with your emotive tosh.

Besides, taking your cues from 'smoke free' internet groups and believing them to be representative of wider public opinion is simply barking.

 

[Louloubelle]

Yeah, O RLY!

(Bloody hell, we could do this all day... )

G'wan and have yer fag missus

*waves hand in front of face*



seriously

I do hope you find pubs to smoke in and if I was in charge of things there would be some pubs and clubs (not many and very highly taxed) who could offer you the smoking experience you so desire