London smoker-friendly pubs thread

[Skim]

Enough with the derails – there are loads of other threads where you can whinge about smoking ffs

I saw a place on Dog Kennel Hill this afternoon, just around the corner from Denmark Hill BR. Can't remember the name unfortunately, but it had a nice outdoor area with clean ashtrays at the ready.

There's also that place right outside Denmark Hill station, I think it's called the Phoenix – they have a decent area outside iirc.

And according to my neighbour, The Cambria (Kemerton Rd SE5) has been gearing up for the ban and making their back garden a nice place for a puff

 

[Roadkill]

Yep, but smoking has been proven to give you (and those around you) cancer... Its not the brightest thing to be doing...

And alcohol knackers your liver (and makes many people violent) and pills aren't exactly good for you. We all have our vices - and pills and booze are among mine too. I was just trying to suggest that sanctimony is a rather unattractive trait...

But again, Skim is absolutely right. This isn't the thread for this argument, which has been done to death time and again. Tbh, those trying to bring it onto an information thread - for that's what this is - reveal an unattractively self-satisfied, evangelical side to themselves... Not that that is any surprise in at least one case.

Enough. I'm not getting into yet another pointless argument on the subject.

 

[rutabowa]

i will be investigating 93feet east on Brick Lane this evening, 1st gig post-ban... apparently it has an outside area, will confirm tomorrow.

 

[Skim]

Jamm on Brixton Road deserves a mention... not really a pub as such, but a nightclub with a nice decked seating area outside

 

[corporate whore]

I saw a place on Dog Kennel Hill this afternoon, just around the corner from Denmark Hill BR.

That'd be the George Canning - the front bit's OK, if a bit close to the road.

 

[rocketman]

I'm thinking the beautiful Spaniards Inn, (Hampstead Heath, London, NW3 7JJ) will be worth a try - huge beer garden, beautiful place, and that extra added bonus - it's actually dog-friendly, too. Only get there once a year, but a lovely place.

 

[Lisarocket]

I'm thinking the beautiful Spaniards Inn, (Hampstead Heath, London, NW3 7JJ) will be worth a try - huge beer garden, beautiful place, and that extra added bonus - it's actually dog-friendly, too. Only get there once a year, but a lovely place.

Erm. Have you seen the weather recently

 

[rutabowa]

so cafe 1001 and 93 feet east on brick lane both have quite pleasant outdoor areas... i quite liked the gig i went to last night being non-smoking, i feel much better today, and got to meet all the cool people outside!

 

[Louloubelle]

I've never said anything of the sort so your comment is completely misplaced, as per usual.

e2a: I ain't giving up smoking now. For one I'll admit to being an addict, but right now I've too much else on my plate to want to have a go at giving up. For two, I enjoy it.

I regret starting this thread now . Should have known better than to do so at this point in time, I suppose... It was too much to hope for that people like Louloubelle would be able to refrain from comments like that above.

c'mon

I'm not having a go at you personally but enough people have posted exactly what I said to give me a sense of real satisfaction to be able to be able to post what i did.

It's funny that people can dish it out but can't take it

FWIW I went out to a bar with some mates last night and while it was great to be able to sit somewhere and enjoy some live music and be able to breathe at the same time there were so many people smoking in the streets that the whole streets stank and we decided to walk back down the residential roads because the high street was too disgusting and was triggering my asthma.

I think there should be some places, whether it's pubs or just rooms or cubicles or something, I don't care which, where people can go and smoke so they don't have to smoke in the streets

 

[Skim]

I've just thought of another place... there's that Sun Doves place on Coldharbour Lane, they've got a big outdoor area. And there's also the Half Moon in Herne Hill, I think they've got a fair drinking/smoking space in front.

I hardly ever go to pubs (I've never drank in the above), but I feel I should contribute to this thread in the interests of south London smokers

 

[rutabowa]

inerestingly, last night a couple of previous non smokers i was with had cigarettes outside... i reckon now they're not getting their passive hit a lot of people might take up proper smoking.

 

[pootle]

The Railway at Tulse Hill has a mahoosive garden and a decently sized bit of raised, covered decking on the back of the pub when the weather is a bit more inclement.

 

[rutabowa]

ps i know it goes without saying but if anyone finds any pubs with a relaxed attitude then DON'T post them on this thread!

 

[TopCat]

c'mon

I'm not having a go at you personally but enough people have posted exactly what I said to give me a sense of real satisfaction to be able to be able to post what i did.

It's funny that people can dish it out but can't take it

FWIW I went out to a bar with some mates last night and while it was great to be able to sit somewhere and enjoy some live music and be able to breathe at the same time there were so many people smoking in the streets that the whole streets stank and we decided to walk back down the residential roads because the high street was too disgusting and was triggering my asthma.

I think there should be some places, whether it's pubs or just rooms or cubicles or something, I don't care which, where people can go and smoke so they don't have to smoke in the streets

This pissed me of yesterday too. Going from where I ate to my house I passed 10 smokers puffing away and consequently slipped and had three baccy doobies.

 

[Zinedine*]

I went into an East End pub (not saying which of course) and you could smoke in there!

 

[paolo]

I went into an East End pub (not saying which of course) and you could smoke in there!

pm! pm!

 

[wreckhead]

I think there should be some places, whether it's pubs or just rooms or cubicles or something, I don't care which, where people can go and smoke so they don't have to smoke in the streets

I hate to derail this good thread further as I cannot contribute directly being in sunny South Wales, but I have to say this is the reason most smokers who were against the ban, were against it. Thus we have the absurd situation that results in this thread...

eta: And someone has vandalised all the smoking umbrella/heater things outside my local - I suspect a local ASH agent.

 

[Louloubelle]

I hate to derail this good thread further as I cannot contribute directly being in sunny South Wales, but I have to say this is the reason most smokers who were against the ban, were against it. Thus we have the absurd situation that results in this thread...

eta: And someone has vandalised all the smoking umbrella/heater things outside my local - I suspect a local ASH agent.

FWIW

I hate tobacco, it's killing my mum at the moment and it makes me ill

I hate seeing anyone I care about smoking, knowing what it's done to my mum makes me want to snatch the cigarette out of their hand and slap some sense into them

I hate the fact that the tobacco companies make obscene profits from vulnerable tobacco addicts and push their products onto children in countries with no legal barriers to doing so

Even with all that I have always said that there should be some kind of venues for smokers to smoke in so that the damage done by cigarettes can be contained to those who either chose to indulge in it or those who are compelled to do so because of their addiction

I think smoking on the streets is horrible and anti-social and that it would be in everyone's interests to have a few smoky pubs / clubs where smokers can smoke and that smoking in the street should not be legal

If smokers can locate some smoky pubs here and decide to go there instead of smoking in the street I'm all for it

 

[ska invita]

I hate the fact that the tobacco companies make obscene profits from vulnerable tobacco addicts and push their products onto children in countries with no legal barriers to doing so

Abosultely spot on. I saw a report on newsnight that showed that tobacco comapnies are still growing despite these bans - theres a few percentage points of sales dropped in countries where the ban has come in - but the rest of the world (particularly CHina+ the East and Africa) are booming.

In CHina tobacco is state owned - if the multinationals can crack that market they'll be drowning in profits.

A thought about the ban: one unintended consequence is that it has made street life a little more exciting/sociable, as people stand around talking in the street more as a result.


Very sorry to hear about your mum Louloubelle- best wishes to you and your family.

 

[gaijingirl]

Not a pub - but we went to the Palace Bingo last night in the Elephant - which has opened up a roof garden for smokers. They call it Montego Bay!! In fact, I can imagine it being quite cool in summer (this is not summer ). The owner of the bingo hall took ten minutes out in between sessions to hand out every single person in the hall a copy of the address of Southwark licencing people and SAEs - as apparently they're trying to close him down over it!!

Personally I haven't been to bingo in ages as it was just WAY too smoky for me (I'm a non-smoker) but this seemed like a really good compromise!

And they have a cheap bar and a (well dodgy) canteen...

 

[tommers]

I think there should be some places, whether it's pubs or just rooms or cubicles or something, I don't care which, where people can go and smoke so they don't have to smoke in the streets

well... that wasn't predictable.

not at all.

 

[Louloubelle]

well... that wasn't predictable.

not at all.

If you look back at any of my posts over the past years on this issue I've always thought that smokers should have a contained space in which to smoke.

So yes I suppose it was predictable

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

A thought about the ban: one unintended consequence is that it has made street life a little more exciting/sociable, as people stand around talking in the street more as a result.

Maybe for the smokers but I've already seen/heard non-smokers moaning about the noise at night from people outside pubs smoking, having to walk PAST people smoking, having to sit in beer gardens with smokers and the amount of butts on the ground

 

[Lisarocket]

Great isn't it. Now the non smokers are not content with having the pubs all to themselves. The want the streets too

 

[tommers]

If you look back at any of my posts over the past years on this issue I've always thought that smokers should have a contained space in which to smoke.

So yes I suppose it was predictable

it wasn't really a "predictable from you" thing especially.... more that I knew the next thing people moaned about would be walking through the "dirty, stinking noxious fumes" ((c) Ed) in order to get into their safe haven of liver abuse.

 

[rutabowa]

you can't ban everything that offends someone. it is ridiculous to ban anything just because it offends someone. i hate this country, for the first time.

 

[Louloubelle]

Great isn't it. Now the non smokers are not content with having the pubs all to themselves. The want the streets too

Of course people shouldn't smoke in the streets, it's dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social

This is why they should have somewhere contained to smoke. It's an addiction and they need an enclosed space to smoke, and will continue to need that space until they either give up or die

Obviously

 

[Louloubelle]

Very sorry to hear about your mum Louloubelle- best wishes to you and your family.

Thanks

She's probably going to die of cancer

She has chronic lung disease as a result of smoking so her cancer is inoperable because of the risk to her life from general anesthetic

 

[rutabowa]

Of course people shouldn't smoke in the streets, it's dirty, smelly, selfish and anti-social

This is why they should have somewhere contained to smoke. It's an addiction and they need an enclosed space to smoke, and will continue to need that space until they either give up or die

Obviously

unfortunately for you there are other people on the country who don't think exactly the same way as you, and you are sharing the country with them. do you really think taht everything that pisses you off should be banned? i have a lot of things that piss me off that other people do, but I would not think of having them outlawed.

 

[Louloubelle]

unfortunately for you there are other people on the country who don't think exactly the same way as you, and you are sharing the country with them. do you really think taht everything that pisses you off should be banned? i have a lot of things that piss me off that other people do, but I would not think of having them outlawed.

Of course I don't think that everything that pisses me off should be banned

I think the issue is one of human rights

Non-smokers should have the right to not be injured by environmental smoke

Smokers should have the right to smoke providing they don't inflict their smoke on others

The way to achieve both these rights is for smoking to be permitted within contained environments only

FWIW, and I'll say it again, I think that there should be some pubs and clubs where smoking is permitted but it should not be permitted on the streets