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London Mayday 09 - Guilty Until Proven Innocent

In Bloom said:
I really don't agree, these sorts of stunts often fail utterly at actually communicating what they're about. If anything, they reinforce the notion that politics is something that experts do at spectacular events while everybody else watches.
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Then we'll have to agree to differ. I can't be alone in feeling that watching a load of OB scratching their heads and consulting the rule book rather than taking a baton to them is a bad thing.
 
Yeah and smashing up branches of RBS/fighting with the police reinforces that protests are just for violent 'FUCK YOU DAD!' asbo youth.
 
In Bloom said:
There seems to be some confusion about when we're talking about the (other) arrestees and when we're talking about the art students who've read a little bit of Debord and not really understood it.
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And when we're not talking about art students at all. You really have no idea what or who you're talking about, so why not save the ad hominems, and criticise the activity, rather than imaginary people.
 
jæd said:
People who think that shouting slogans at a bank while the peeps in charge are in the South of France for a long weekend will actually change things...?
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Where did anybody suggest shouting anything at any banks?

"(Sound Systems, Moonshine, Cake, Kettles, Party Games)"
 
PeterTCA said:
Not actually a tank but a SARACAN armoured vehicle once made by Avis. It can run even if two of its wheels are disabled (i.e. mines). If driven with the issued periscopes it's virtually impossible to disable the crew. It also came with eight smoke-bomb projectiles. Scary stuff.
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Actually, that'd be a SARACEN made by ALVIS. :p :D
 
hehe, I love how a spacehijackers thread gets people all gwumpy. :D

I like the Spacehijacker lot, they're different and bring a side of comedy with them. Fuck those who hate them, up the shit box. Twice.
 
xes said:
hehe, I love how a spacehijackers thread gets people all gwumpy. :D

I like the Spacehijacker lot, they're different and bring a side of comedy with them. Fuck those who hate them, up the shit box. Twice.
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Politics is sewwious business. Sewwious :mad:
 
winjer said:
Bollocks. Try reading a little history.
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But the way it's covered in the press isn't 'oh look there's some protesters what are their arguments' it's 'LOOK AT THESE GUYS FUCKING SHIT UP!' which is eventually going to be boiled down to protest = violence rather than just a nice bit of dissent.

Anyway, mayday! Hooray! Hurrah for spectacle.
 
Fuck Bees! said:
But the way it's covered in the press isn't 'oh look there's some protesters what are their arguments' it's 'LOOK AT THESE GUYS FUCKING SHIT UP!' which is eventually going to be boiled down to protest = violence rather than just a nice bit of dissent.

Anyway, mayday! Hooray! Hurrah for spectacle.
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and fuck the press. If there's anything we've learned over the past 2 weeks, it's that the press will always be biased cuntoids.. UNless they're forced into backtracking. IE.. this whole fucking G20 saga.
 
Fuck Bees! said:
Yeah and smashing up branches of RBS/fighting with the police reinforces that protests are just for violent 'FUCK YOU DAD!' asbo youth.
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Where have I advocated smashing up branches of RBS? I thought that the G20 meltdown stuff was, if anything, even more pointless than this "Let's dress up in costumes and stand around getting pissed in the day, that'll really stick it to The Man" shit.
 
xes said:
and fuck the press. If there's anything we've learned over the past 2 weeks, it's that the press will always be biased cuntoids.. UNless they're forced into backtracking. IE.. this whole fucking G20 saga.
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I have my suspicions that the Guradina journos proper loved our g20 threads, links and commentary *taps nose*
 
Fuck Bees! said:
But the way it's covered in the press isn't 'oh look there's some protesters what are their arguments' it's 'LOOK AT THESE GUYS FUCKING SHIT UP!' which is eventually going to be boiled down to protest = violence rather than just a nice bit of dissent.

Anyway, mayday! Hooray! Hurrah for spectacle.
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Protests aren't always about winning an argument.
 
In Bloom said:
Where have I advocated smashing up branches of RBS? I thought that the G20 meltdown stuff was, if anything, even more pointless than this "Let's dress up in costumes and stand around getting pissed in the day, that'll really stick it to The Man" shit.
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And what will really "stick it to the man"?

Big protests do fuck all, little protests do fuck all. Medium sized protests do fuck all. At least this lot are up for the giggle. And not all "oh noez, be all sirius, cos like, it's all sirius"

I think the only thing that'll really work, is mass boycots. Boycot banks, large supermarkets and big brands. If we all removed our cash from the banks, they'd flop like a biccy dunked in tea for 45 seconds. B ut to do something like that, you really do need the whole world behind it.
 
cesare said:
I have my suspicions that the Guradina journos proper loved our g20 threads, links and commentary *taps nose*
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oh yes well, 1 paper out of howmany? Ok 2 if you count Al jazera. That's the only lot (that I can recall) who covered the protests and what happened in any kind of fair light. The rest can suck on my balls.
 
In Bloom said:
I'm going off conversations I had months ago, I seem to remember the person I was talking to saying that the police hit him, I could have remembered it wrongly, why accuse me of lying?

Either way, the Space Hijackers obviously have no notion of solidarity if they're happy to watch somebody get arrested and do nothing about it, then slur the people who were arrested on the internet afterwards.
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You have no notion of solidarity just an attachment to a boring outdated and unloved organisation.
 
xes said:
And what will really "stick it to the man"?

Big protests do fuck all, little protests do fuck all. Medium sized protests do fuck all. At least this lot are up for the giggle. And not all "oh noez, be all sirius, cos like, it's all sirius"

I think the only thing that'll really work, is mass boycots. Boycot banks, large supermarkets and big brands. If we all removed our cash from the banks, they'd flop like a biccy dunked in tea for 45 seconds. B ut to do something like that, you really do need the whole world behind it.
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andrew_strauss_out.jpg
 
In Bloom said:
There seems to be some confusion about when we're talking about the (other) arrestees and when we're talking about the art students who've read a little bit of Debord and not really understood it.
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To be honest, In Bloom, you don't seem to be able to structure an argument or to understand/critique other people's to any useful degree. Given that, it's comical for you to name-drop Debord as a measure of intellectual capacity.

Have you got something useful to say about this coming Mayday?
 
xes said:
oh yes well, 1 paper out of howmany? Ok 2 if you count Al jazera. That's the only lot (that I can recall) who covered the protests and what happened in any kind of fair light. The rest can suck on my balls.
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Yep e.g. the Beeb were doing a fair enough job on their live commentary, then it got whitewashed for the headlines. Then they had to do a bit of a shuffle once the rags followed the G's suit.
 
Fuck Bees! said:
But the way it's covered in the press isn't 'oh look there's some protesters what are their arguments' it's 'LOOK AT THESE GUYS FUCKING SHIT UP!' which is eventually going to be boiled down to protest = violence rather than just a nice bit of dissent.
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Yeah, those suffragettes really need to rethink their media strategy or women will never get the vote...
 
agent_undecided said:
To be honest, In Bloom, you don't seem to be able to structure an argument or to understand/critique other people's to any useful degree. Given that, it's comical for you to name-drop Debord as a measure of intellectual capacity.
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You've been here ten minutes, and you've seen me taking the piss out of you, not "structuring an argument".

Have you got something useful to say about this coming Mayday?
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Avoid the motorways if you're taking the kids anywhere, the traffic's a nightmare.
 
Certain parts of the left- anarchist movement are just withering on the vine, this is great news. In Blooms little sect is one of them.
 
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