London Fields lido to reopen?

[lighterthief]

Maybe now they can use the insurance payout to revampt the place! The last time I was there the changing rooms were in a disgusting state.

The local paper it say:

The King's Hall centre...re-opened three years ago after undergoing a £1.7 million refurbishment, along with the Brittania Leisure Centre in Hyde Road, Hoxton.

 

[lighterthief]

I think people's scepticism is entirely just - because it is based upon experience. Hackney council and its friends have a habit of messing up - isn't there a fairly new outdoor table tennis site in or near London Fields?

There is - at the Broadway Market end. Not sure it was a Hackney Council project though, I thought it was some local art/regeneration thing Whatever, despite my initial scepticism it's surpisingly well-used.

 

[lighterthief]

...if you have ever been in to stokey nick now you'll me meet with a barrage of condesention, rudeness, unprofessional attitude, agression, long waits (disptie there being no one else they are dealing with) general surly attitude and so on indeed i have had more attentative reaction from a mcdonals worker a lot of the time they have a kevin the teenage attitude and have less than no intrest in anyone ...

I certainly won't disagree with you there.

...all in all police in hackney are fighting a loosing battle and they know it...

Hmmm, an overly pessimistic outlook in my opinion.

 

[oicur0t]

Yes the pool is now empty again. presumably they were testing whether it leaked or not before they tiled it.

Two massive yellow tanks have appeared outside, they look really cool, like retro comic submarines, but alas I presume they'll be buried or hidden.

The odd thing is that they're replaced some of the brick work and put on a new tiled roof, but some of the old graffiti is still there. I do hope they leave it, it makes it seem really odd and quirky.

 

[oicur0t]

if you have ever been in to stokey nick now you'll me meet with a barrage of condesention,

I read this as condensation!

 

[Divisive Cotton]

There is - at the Broadway Market end. Not sure it was a Hackney Council project though, I thought it was some local art/regeneration thing Whatever, despite my initial scepticism it's surpisingly well-used.

Good... although the idea of an outdoor table tennis court is quite odd to me

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Hmmm, an overly pessimistic outlook in my opinion.

alternativley as a totoally psootive the communtiy removes the need for open policing by dealing with things in it's own way it's not like the police actually prevent crime in hackney or for that matter even reduce crime they process crime would be a better way of dealing with it... unfortunatly for many of the hard working and genunine people who have join the old bill to serve and have ended up in hackney they are now stuck in a loosing pitched battle, with the council at one end and unprecidented levels of violence and poverty at the other... they are stuck between a hard place and a hard place dreaming about a rock...

They know this and so do the residents, so no matter how much they pull out new incentive schemes they are no going to be able to tackle the root causes of the problems, essentailly loads of public serivces particualrlly for the youth in deprive areas ahve been wholesale sold off leaving the kids and teens with no where to go, coupled with high numbers of exclusions by defecit of school places (hackney has to bus out around 1500 kids each day to be tuaght in other boroughs along with around the same number not having any place at any education establishment whatsoever for doing nothingother than living in a certain area these are not naghty children or badly behaved children these are non placed children) so you are looking at some where between 1500 and 3000 kids unschooled at any one time these kids are going to get into trouble as most are at best latch key kids... the police have a lot of their time taken up purely sorting out these issues...

then there's the level of organised drug crime, prostitution and other rackets not to mention the level of shootings, the crack problem which is now larger and more entrenched than the brixton crack problem (except we don't have a tube or a glamourious image...) this issues of violence eminating from shoreditch and the surronding city...

means the limited police resources are streached to breaking point most of the time...

and yet hackney itself had one of the highest levels of investment of all the london boroughs, most of this money is being creamed off by the council and indirectly by the labour party as it has done since antony bliar was a hackney councillor... the level of corruption is so intrinsically deep that if police were to attempt a big push to sort hackney out they'd have some many people with so many thumbs in pies that we'd run out of jail space ...

it's a borough run by criminals litterally...

on the other hand it may well be the first to privatise it's police force and or do away with it all together...

 

[HackneyE9]

Don't think Blair was ever a councillor - just lived on Mapledene Rd in 80s. Charles Clarke was, though. He lived on road next to Blair's, I think.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Don't think Blair was ever a councillor - just lived on Mapledene Rd in 80s. Charles Clarke was, though. He lived on road next to Blair's, I think.

Yeh, but why let the facts get in the way of some hysterical ranting about how bad it is to live in Hackney, eh?

Note to Garf, move to the suburbs mate, there's no crime or bad bwoys in Chingford, honest, and it'll save your blood pressure....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Yeh, but why let the facts get in the way of some hysterical ranting about how bad it is to live in Hackney, eh?

Note to Garf, move to the suburbs mate, there's no crime or bad bwoys in Chingford, honest, and it'll save your blood pressure....

eh?

why would i move out of an area which i have lived in on and off for over 12 years...

personally i love hackney can't stand hackney council as all sensible hackney residents would agree...

erm he worked for the labour party in for hackney south and shorditch, failed to get directly elected when he stood for borough council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair#Early_political_career

however you only have to look at the litanny of current and past cabinet memebers who have served or been involved with Hackney council over the years, couplled with the other practices of Hackney council (Ghost voters, Fraudultent housing claims, funding going 'missing', the recent Ocean debarcle, The non waterproof swimming pool, the whole sale sell off of public space, the market situation...)

Sorry paulie but if this is all peachy with you then woopdedoo however some of the hackney residents are less than impressed by the prolifferation of pocket lining politicitions who consistantly piss over public view inorder to makea fast buck...

call it hyperbol if you like, personally i see is as having my eyes open to the corruption with in hackney...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

eh?

why would i move out of an area which i have lived in on and off for over 12 years...

personally i love hackney can't stand hackney council as all sensible hackney residents would agree...

cos of the "the level of organised drug crime, prostitution and other rackets not to mention the level of shootings, the crack problem which is now larger and more entrenched than the brixton crack problem (except we don't have a tube or a glamourious image...) this issues of violence eminating from shoreditch and the surronding city" which sounds rather alarming whichever way you look at it (altho it isn't the ghetto version of Hackney that i come across most days).

erm he worked for the labour party in for hackney south and shorditch, failed to get directly elected when he stood for borough council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair#Early_political_career

- so he wasn't a Hackney councillor dur, if you don't get elected, you're not a councillor no matter how much you might want to be.

however you only have to look at the litanny of current and past cabinet memebers who have served or been involved with Hackney council over the years, couplled with the other practices of Hackney council (Ghost voters, Fraudultent housing claims, funding going 'missing', the recent Ocean debarcle, The non waterproof swimming pool, the whole sale sell off of public space, the market situation...)

in fact, the previous incompetence of HAckney Council was directly responsible for many people i know ending up in the borough cos of the proliferation of squats and empty council properties that were available - i didn't notice anyone complaining too much then about cash for keys and council inefficiency then, other than when they started auditing exactly who lived where and found whole floors of blocks that they didn't even know existed

Sorry paulie but if this is all peachy with you then woopdedoo however some of the hackney residents are less than impressed by the prolifferation of pocket lining politicitions who consistantly piss over public view inorder to makea fast buck...

call it hyperbol if you like, personally i see is as having my eyes open to the corruption with in hackney...

No its not all peachy mate, but Hackney isn't quite the crack-smoking, whore-pimping, gun-toting place that you're representing - as with most things in life, its a lot more complicated than that, and in many ways the council have improved - i share your and many other peoples' concerns about property developers moving in and creaming off vast profits at the expense of local people and there is much work being done to highlight this corruption but show me an honest local authority and I'll eat London Fields lido, let alone swim in it.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

cos of the "the level of organised drug crime, prostitution and other rackets not to mention the level of shootings, the crack problem which is now larger and more entrenched than the brixton crack problem (except we don't have a tube or a glamourious image...) this issues of violence eminating from shoreditch and the surronding city" which sounds rather alarming whichever way you look at it (altho it isn't the ghetto version of Hackney that i come across most days).

really do a lot of work for the deprived areas do you? have access to and work for the legal aid solicitors in hackney do you? know people on the independant police complaint commities who oversea police proceedures do you? have you? i mean at what level? How deep do you deleve into hackney? spoken to local hackney residents about crack trade on certain streets? why jules and his cronies have done precisely fuck all to address this problem dispite continued requests pleas etc?? spoken to the shoredtich residents about the levels of damage caused by pissed up city punters and the levels of aggression that shop keepers face? i mean what exactly is your involvement in hackney paulie????

If you think that crack trade and prostitution is glamourious then you need your fucking head checked...

so he wasn't a Hackney councillor dur, if you don't get elected, you're not a councillor no matter how much you might want to be.

fuck it you pedantry knows no bounds he worked at the council for the labour party didn't get elected are you honestly saying that the stench of 'nu'labour corruption doens't emminate fromt eh town hall like a feastering sore???

in fact, the previous incompetence of HAckney Council was directly responsible for many people i know ending up in the borough cos of the proliferation of squats and empty council properties that were available - i didn't notice anyone complaining too much then about cash for keys and council inefficiency then, other than when they started auditing exactly who lived where and found whole floors of blocks that they didn't even know existed

fact is that this isn't what i was reffering to... the levels of benifit fraud commited by the council themselves claiming for ghosts and double and tripple enteries was far higher than any of the supposed 'sponger's the council attempted to pin their eventual bankruptcy on... so 'your' pal's would have turned up regardless as the corruption by the council weren't the reason for the proliferation of the squats in the first place...

No its not all peachy mate, but Hackney isn't quite the crack-smoking, whore-pimping, gun-toting place that you're representing

well i suggest you go speak to people then cos i assure the this was the comments comign back from people in central hackney, in the last few months in the run up tot he council elections there were a number of issues surronding the crack problems in hackney... how did you not know...

as with most things in life, its a lot more complicated than that, and in many ways the council have improved

not really they have consistantly increased council tax only stopping this year for fear of getting capped reduced service and squandered cash on outragiously corrupt projects such as unwaterproof swimming pools... market redevelopment that no one wanted... setting a personal agenda with a local amenitiy (oceans) and then removing public usage from it ... not to mention the empire (have you been in there since the revamp? can you tell the difference bewteen the old empire and the revamped one?? anywhere front or back stage???

it's not getting better it's getting better at covering up, papering over the cracks, silencing critics with threats etc etc etc...

i share your and many other peoples' concerns about property developers moving in and creaming off vast profits at the expense of local people and there is much work being done to highlight this corruption

good so stop burrying your head in the sand and trrying to pretend that the council is getting better, when it isn't either you share local concerns and therefore you suspect or as others do have absolute proof of the level of corruption or you support the council actions...

You response reads like an evasive response from a local councillour attempting to patronise and dismiss local concerns, you are aprt of the market redevelopment are you?? or have you stolen the labour parties 101 useful glib statements to make in akward situations handbook?

but show me an honest local authority and I'll eat London Fields lido, let alone swim in it.

oh they are no worse than anyone else so it's excuseable ... is that what you are saying...??

so not content with looking at the level of funding which has been going into the town hall and not coming out the other side (far more than nearly any other borough in london even as i said more so since the olympics) it's nothing short of organised theift... so i can honestly say that the majority of councils in london are more decent and honest than hackney... they aren't squandering or 'reallocating specific funding' to other 'areas of interest'...

 

[rutabowa]

the ping pong table on london fields is fucking cool. bit tricky when there's a wind up tho

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Yeh, but why let the facts get in the way of some hysterical ranting about how bad it is to live in Hackney, eh?

Note to Garf, move to the suburbs mate, there's no crime or bad bwoys in Chingford, honest, and it'll save your blood pressure....

^^^^ just in case you missed it the first time around

really do a lot of work for the deprived areas do you? have access to and work for the legal aid solicitors in hackney do you? know people on the independant police complaint commities who oversea police proceedures do you? have you? i mean at what level? How deep do you deleve into hackney? spoken to local hackney residents about crack trade on certain streets? why jules and his cronies have done precisely fuck all to address this problem dispite continued requests pleas etc?? spoken to the shoredtich residents about the levels of damage caused by pissed up city punters and the levels of aggression that shop keepers face? i mean what exactly is your involvement in hackney paulie????

Um, lived here for close on 20 years, worked and lived in shortlife housing co-op, lived and worked on local council estates, worked in local child care co-op and many links with youth provision in the borough, involved in various other things that i don't feel a need to blow a trumpet about - so what underpins your credibility then matey?

Your mispelt polemics don't really help your case, your scatter gun approach misses most targets (where did i say crack and prostitution was glamorous? why is it that when you get caught making specious claims, you resort to slippery excuses? accusing me of being a councillor - ha!)

Have you ever thought that your perpetual high-and-mighty pronouncements appear just the tiniest bit arrogant? Have you ever considered that all these low-life scum in your sights might also live in the borough and be a part of the borough and are as much a part of Hackney life as you are? As I said before, if you don't like it, don't live here.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

^^^^ just in case you missed it the first time around

so you don't think that telling a long term resident of the place piss of to the suburbs is high and mighty... fairy nuff love...

Um, lived here for close on 20 years, worked and lived in shortlife housing co-op, lived and worked on local council estates, worked in local child care co-op and many links with youth provision in the borough, involved in various other things that i don't feel a need to blow a trumpet about - so what underpins your credibility then matey?

my work with in the community the work done to attempt change the current poltical pressence in hackney the groups trying to get oceans back up and running and many other things i see no need to willy wave love i'm not the one suggesting that your knowledge is bereft or deficient however you are the one asserting that nayone who doens't like it belongs in the suburbs and they aren't 'local'... also you are attempting to play down the level or the prolification of crack in hackney why is that? you deny the levels are high?

you ar e the one who introduced the concpet of ghetto hackney i merely mentioned some of it's more serious problems if you wish to reinforce or dispell that myth that's your issue, it won't change the facts, so don't set up strawmen to knock down... just becuase it's not your expeirnce dones't mena it doesn't exist, i can assure you that in the many meetings i have attended that it does exist and people are very concerned about it...

Your mispelt polemics don't really help your case

you wanna take the piss out of my comments fine you comment on my dyslexcia you're a cunt... simple as

your scatter gun approach misses most targets

no love just responding to your comments directly there's nothing scattergun about it i don'thave the time or the inclination to go in depth about the long term problems of hackney on a bulletin board, suffice to say that it should be appearent from the info given that there are problems, if you do may i suggest you go back to your communtiy groups and ask for more fucking work rather than getting into a debate on here about it...

where did i say crack and prostitution was glamorous?

certianly the insinuation of sensationalism is within this sentence ...

but Hackney isn't quite the crack-smoking, whore-pimping, gun-toting place that you're representing

it's intresting that each time you are called on your waffling bollocks you become trivially pedantic and demand clarification for what is painfully obvious...

why is it that when you get caught making specious claims, you resort to slippery excuses? accusing me of being a councillor - ha!

sorry but i see little but hackney council press release excuses and flipp flopping in anythign you have said; sadly i see little of your comments as representative of people who have been resident in the borough for a period of nearly (incertain cases) 60 years or the communtiy groups they belong to...

Have you ever thought that your perpetual high-and-mighty pronouncements appear just the tiniest bit arrogant?

sorry what pronoucments?? you asked a question and i replied to it, you cannot then complain that i'm getting high and mighty about it by answering your question, stop being a total cock, dearie, and try looking at what is being said...

Have you ever considered that all these low-life scum in your sights might also live in the borough and be a part of the borough and are as much a part of Hackney life as you are?

who? what? where?

look at the words you have choosen to describe people here i'm talking about the council not the general residents of hackney why have you choosen to interpret this as something different, i have described factual things which have been presented to me and other's i work with in the community are you suggesting that people on your judgement system are in some shape lesser?

you choose the words scum, it's not a word i generally use to describe anyone, nor a charachter refference i would generally use. I have said no where in any post that the people who are trading crack are not part of the community or that the theift which goes on or any crime for that matter precludes them from the community again you are setting up foolish straw men and using adhomeins in order to attempt to verify a flimsey point...

fo me love it's not about debating things with someone as obviously self important as you words are cheap... it's about doing summit... i don't need to refference who i work with or what i do in order to get some smug self satisfaciton tbh i'm not into willy waving...

so keep denying there's an issue with anything i have mentioned, and keep that self satisfied smuggness you are exibiting here and have a whale of a time with it... but please don't attempt to define the parameters of the debate into what your pet subjects are and dismiss others comments ...

As I said before, if you don't like it, don't live here.

As i have said before why would i leave??

not that you can answer; although judging from your torrent of crappulence above no doubt you'll attempt to tell me my own mind to.

is this your solution your way or the highway, again very inclusive not at all the mentality of the council, oh no different as chalk and cheese...

your fucking norman tebbit and i claim my £5...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

And you're the Hackney Gazette and I claim a £5 shopping voucher.

Look mate, sincere apologies for the needless barb about spelling, not necessary and inexcusable.

As for the rest of it, I just typed a long reply to you and the fecking machine just crashed and ate it so i can't be bothered to do it all again.

Suffice to say that my original comments were sarcastic, which I thought someone who has elsewhere on this thread claimed to be able to read into the meaning of statements from the words of the page, I thought you would have got that? Irony don't work written down.

As for the rest, you asked for my credibility, i gave some and asked for yours, so throw your rattle back, for gods sake. I'm not interested in that sort of discussion.

What gets my goat up is the way that you have so little to say that is good about living here, merely moaning like a daily mail bore and to a degree implicitly blaming the communities for the nuisance they cause to your life. As you will well know, for example, most low level crime in Hackney is centred on young boys causing aggravation to other young boys, and sometimes other people around them. Is it the blame of the cops that this happens? No, not entirely, its a complex mixture of poverty, upbringing, culture, attitudes, all sorts and its a cop out to point your finger at the council and say its all their fault.

Thats where i agree with you, its about doing something - i generally take the view that having day-long rants about how shite the council are without making any realistic suggestions for what could be done better cos you don't "have the time or the inclination to go into depth" is a cop-out and generally pandering to hysterical reactions.

Enough already, peace mate, have a good weekend, enjoy

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Suffice to say that my original comments were sarcastic, which I thought someone who has elsewhere on this thread claimed to be able to read into the meaning of statements from the words of the page, I thought you would have got that? Irony don't work written down.

nah the irony is that some one in who writes for the daily mail once said to me never use irony written down it doesn't work...

As for the rest, you asked for my credibility, i gave some and asked for yours, so throw your rattle back, for gods sake. I'm not interested in that sort of discussion.

well hairy muff but my response was increduluious to yours being dismissive as i saw it of the problems hackney faces...

What gets my goat up is the way that you have so little to say that is good about living here, merely moaning like a daily mail bore and to a degree implicitly blaming the communities for the nuisance they cause to your life. As you will well know, for example, most low level crime in Hackney is centred on young boys causing aggravation to other young boys, and sometimes other people around them. Is it the blame of the cops that this happens? No, not entirely, its a complex mixture of poverty, upbringing, culture, attitudes, all sorts and its a cop out to point your finger at the council and say its all their fault.

i don't think it is a cop out to say that HC are to blame, they have let many of the local ammienities, youth clubs playgrounds and such fall into misuse mysteriously catch fire overspend under invest etc etc you know the problems and then this combine with the other issues (which i did mention in my first posts) means that along side the enforced no reason exclusion of children from school leads to youth on youth crime which couplled with the levels of poverty and other factors exasserbate the situation.

the thing whcih get's me is it's not that hackney is a poor borough in terms of funding as ihave said repeatdly it gets some of the hgihest levels of investment in london... but the money isn't spent on sorting these things out.. hence my rage at it...

Thats where i agree with you, its about doing something - i generally take the view that having day-long rants about how shite the council are without making any realistic suggestions for what could be done better cos you don't "have the time or the inclination to go into depth" is a cop-out and generally pandering to hysterical reactions.

i think that as we have seen in recent attempts to get not one but 3 different independant people into office (well 2 and one hlaf swppie ) only goes to show that regardless of the council in power the only thign which will change hackney is the community, cos the council are gonna stay there with a mayor who featers their own nests and gives not two figs...

and in this respect hackney might well do it too, i cerainly has the resorucefull ness to outperform the council and even to remove it's need entierly....

Enough already, peace mate, have a good weekend, enjoy

innit

 

[Dougal]

Ok, does anyone have any news on the reopening? I need a swim soon!

 

[lighterthief]

Ok, does anyone have any news on the reopening? I need a swim soon!

Not officially, no, but it doesn't look like they've started tiling the pool yet and it still looks like a building site. I reckon they'll be lucky to get it open by the end of July.

 

[Pot-Bellied Pig]

Yeah even the building site is now a crime hotspot ..it's been broken into so many times the security guard resigned in fear !

I reckon the local gang known as The Fields..along with their much loved oppos The Holly Street Boys will love a load of guardian reading Ruperts and Delia's sunning themselves in the pool....and walking home afterwards.

PS Garf...you wouldn't know a slippery stairs if you saw one.....

 

[Pot-Bellied Pig]

Ok, does anyone have any news on the reopening? I need a swim soon!

You all need a good wash if you ask me....

 

[liberty]

Set to open at end of July they are even working on it at weekends.. It will cost £5.90 for a swim I'm told and whilst this is ok if you wanted to spend the day there it seems like a lot for a quick one...

All the foxes are a bit freaked as they have had there homes dug up

 

[Dougal]

Yeah even the building site is now a crime hotspot ..it's been broken into so many times the security guard resigned in fear !

I reckon the local gang known as The Fields..along with their much loved oppos The Holly Street Boys will love a load of guardian reading Ruperts and Delia's sunning themselves in the pool....and walking home afterwards.

PS Garf...you wouldn't know a slippery stairs if you saw one.....

I know a few folk who are a bit fed up with the Fields. It's sort of ok mugging fuckwit coke heads coming out of the Dove but the boys have gone a bit too far lately.

 

[lighterthief]

It will cost £5.90 for a swim I'm told...

Jeez that's steep. How do you know that?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I know a few folk who are a bit fed up with the Fields. It's sort of ok mugging fuckwit coke heads coming out of the Dove but the boys have gone a bit too far lately.

So you're one of the real edgy hard core Class Warristas then, are you, who welcomes violence as long as its not someone you know getting twatted

Fucking grow up.

 

[oicur0t]

I know a few folk who are a bit fed up with the Fields. It's sort of ok mugging fuckwit coke heads coming out of the Dove but the boys have gone a bit too far lately.

seems better than last year. fewer dubious types around....although there are more ludicrously haired hoxton tourists. so maybe not.

I've not seen any trouble really this summer and Liberty and I spend more time in LF that anyone here I'd imagine beacuse of the dog.

 

[rutabowa]

seems better than last year. fewer dubious types around....although there are more ludicrously haired hoxton tourists. so maybe not.

I've not seen any trouble really this summer and Liberty and I spend more time in LF that anyone here I'd imagine beacuse of the dog.

i agree, i walk through london fields all the time at, at all times of night, and have never had any problems or seen any "dubious types" either (not sure what "dubious types" look like mind!). i even had a bit of a sleep in there early Sunday morning on the way home with no bother.

 

[rutabowa]

I reckon the local gang known as The Fields..along with their much loved oppos The Holly Street Boys will love a load of guardian reading Ruperts and Delia's sunning themselves in the pool....and walking home afterwards.

What do you know about these gangs?

 

[oicur0t]

i agree, i walk through london fields all the time at, at all times of night, and have never had any problems or seen any "dubious types" either (not sure what "dubious types" look like mind!). i even had a bit of a sleep in there early Sunday morning on the way home with no bother.

the only issue is young whippersnappers zooming through on their scooters. But tbh, badly mulleted hoxtonites have been seen doing this several times this summer too.

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah even the building site is now a crime hotspot ..it's been broken into so many times the security guard resigned in fear !

I reckon the local gang known as The Fields..along with their much loved oppos The Holly Street Boys will love a load of guardian reading Ruperts and Delia's sunning themselves in the pool....and walking home afterwards.

For someone whose job supposedly involves making the place safer, you certainly seem to find Hackney a far more terrifying place than anybody I know that lives there!