London buses to go cashless 6 july

[Winot]

Just seen my first cashless-bus row: 3 mates get on and tap in; the 4th tries to tap in but has no credit left on his Oyster.

They were quite reasonable about it (at first) - offered to pay by cash, Visa, their mate's Oyster.

No sign of the 'last trip home' working.

 

[Pickman's model]

any idea what the drivers have been advised re school kids getting on who have lost their zipcard on the way to school?

ascertain which gang they're in and drop them in the territory of their opponents.

 

[kittyP]

Simplicity itself if you know what to do. Not so easy if you're new in town or a tourist

Like the capitals of most countries.

 

[Mr Smin]

Good work. I've paid for people stuck in town before now, problem is we cant do that anymore.

I can. I normally carry my oyster plus at least one bank card. Mrs Smin insists that none of her contactless bank cards are working and she regularly forgets to top up her oyster

 

[Bungle73]

My bank doesn't even issue contactless cards.

 

[TodayIsCaturday]

My bank doesn't even issue contactless cards.

http://www.contactless.info/updateonukrollout.asp
http://www.which.co.uk/money/bank-a...ank-account/how-to-switch-your-bank-account-/

 

[nagapie]

While it's been easier for me as I've got a contactless card, my partner just changed banks and got a brand spanking new card that is NOT contactless.

Also the other day a guy got on the bus and tried to pay with money. When the bus driver said no, he told the bus driver that he was in trouble and looked out of the bus nervously. The bus driver made him get out

 

[Pickman's model]

Also the other day a guy got on the bus and tried to pay with money.

the wrong sort of money

 

[Pickman's model]

i carry neither an oyster nor a contactless card and manage quite alright.

 

[Metal Malcolm]

Saw an interesting one a few days ago.

3 people got on in a group. One used his oyster, the second used a contactless card.

Third one tried his oyster, but it was out. Asked to pay by cash - not allowed. The second person then tried to pay for them on their card, but couldn't as they'd already paid for themselves. In the end, all three ended up getting off. Bit of a shitter, no?

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[nagapie]

i carry neither an oyster nor a contactless card and manage quite alright.

Heh? Is that because you've got the Batmobile?

 

[Pickman's model]

Heh? Is that because you've got the Batmobile?

no, it's because i have an auld-style card travelcard.

like this one

but valid

 

[nagapie]

no, it's because i have an auld-style card travelcard.

like this one

So will ye olde season tickets stay or will that be changing too?

 

[Pickman's model]

So will ye olde season tickets stay or will that be changing too?

i hope they stay for some time yet! i don't like oyster cards.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

So you can pay by contactless card. Does it work the same way as an oyster or is there another sensor that picks up the data? i don't have an Oyster and rarely come into the Great Wen except on the tube. I would hate for the bus to take all of the money in my current account. Do you also have to click out when you get off.

Don't bother to answer this I have done a search and got the answer.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

So you can pay by contactless card. Does it work the same way as an oyster or is there another sensor that picks up the data? i don't have an Oyster and rarely come into the Great Wen except on the tube. I would hate for the bus to take all of the money in my current account. Do you also have to click out when you get off.

Don't bother to answer this I have done a search and got the answer.

for the benefit of others who may read the thread

a) you just beep the card on the card reader on the bus / at the station - it's the same reader whether it's oyster or contactless card.

b) with buses, you just beep on boarding - the fare is the same however many journeys long a journey you make

c) with trains / underground / DLR, you need to beep on entering and leaving, so it knows what fare to charge. If you fail to register out, I think it will charge you the maximum for a London journey. Remember this even if there's no ticket barriers.

d) there are some journeys by rail (usually those involving one of the orbital 'overground' routes) where with Oyster, you're supposed to beep on a pink card reader where you change trains to prove you've stayed in zone 2 and not gone through central london.

One thing that may be worth mentioning though, Oyster has a 'daily price cap' - i.e. .when you've reached the equivalent cost of a one day travelcard / one day bus pass for the travel you've made so far that day, you stop paying any more (unless you go into a further zone) - to the best of my knowledge, contactless bank cards don't do that so if you're doing a lot of travel on one day, it could get expensive.

(edited to clarify balls-up)

 

[Hocus Eye.]

for the benefit of others who may read the thread

a) you just beep the card on the card reader on the bus / at the station - it's the same reader whether it's oyster or contactless card.

b) with buses, you just beep on boarding - the fare is the same however many journeys you make

c) with trains / underground / DLR, you need to beep on entering and leaving, so it knows what fare to charge. If you fail to register out, I think it will charge you the maximum for a London journey. Remember this even if there's no ticket barriers.

d) there are some journeys by rail (usually those involving one of the orbital 'overground' routes) where with Oyster, you're supposed to beep on a pink card reader where you change trains to prove you've stayed in zone 2 and not gone through central london.

One thing that may be worth mentioning though, Oyster has a 'daily price cap' - i.e. .when you've reached the equivalent cost of a one day travelcard / one day bus pass for the travel you've made so far that day, you stop paying any more (unless you go into a further zone) - to the best of my knowledge, contactless bank cards don't do that so if you're doing a lot of travel on one day, it could g.et expensive.

Thanks for that further info. When I come into Sin City I buy a one day Travelcard for the Over/Underground. It doesn't work on the buses though.

 

[Crispy]

Contactless is only for buses I thought, not the tube/train.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Thanks for that further info. When I come into Sin City I buy a one day Travelcard for the Over/Underground. It doesn't work on the buses though.

huh?

one day travelcards are - and always have been - valid on 'Transport for London' buses - that's almost anything bus shaped inside greater london with the exception of commuter coaches and the open top sightseeing tour buses. (there are a few complications on routes right on the fringes of london - it depends on whether it's a TfL bus that ventures outside London or a non TfL bus that ventures in to the Greater London Area.)

it's also valid on all the 'used to be BR' type trains, the underground, this new fangled overground thing, the croydon trams, and the docklands light railway.

if it's a paper travelcard, you have to show it to the bus driver (or wave it in their general direction while they ignore you) rather than beep it on the ticket machine.

 

[Greebo]

Thanks for that further info. When I come into Sin City I buy a one day Travelcard for the Over/Underground. It doesn't work on the buses though.

You don't tap in on buses wth a travelcard, just wave it at the driver as you pass.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Contactless is only for buses I thought, not the tube/train.

at me.

You can already use contactless payment cards on buses, but later in 2014 you'll be able to use them on Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London, as well.

from here.

The amount of publicity about them, I thought you already could. I should stick to talking about buses...

I must admit that I don't have a contactless card and I never pay on TfL services these days. ( )

 

[scifisam]

for the benefit of others who may read the thread

a) you just beep the card on the card reader on the bus / at the station - it's the same reader whether it's oyster or contactless card.

b) with buses, you just beep on boarding - the fare is the same however many journeys you make

c) with trains / underground / DLR, you need to beep on entering and leaving, so it knows what fare to charge. If you fail to register out, I think it will charge you the maximum for a London journey. Remember this even if there's no ticket barriers.

d) there are some journeys by rail (usually those involving one of the orbital 'overground' routes) where with Oyster, you're supposed to beep on a pink card reader where you change trains to prove you've stayed in zone 2 and not gone through central london.

One thing that may be worth mentioning though, Oyster has a 'daily price cap' - i.e. .when you've reached the equivalent cost of a one day travelcard / one day bus pass for the travel you've made so far that day, you stop paying any more (unless you go into a further zone) - to the best of my knowledge, contactless bank cards don't do that so if you're doing a lot of travel on one day, it could get expensive.

The fare is the same however many via journeys you make? Is that new? I've always been charged per bus journey. Or did you mean however far you travel?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The fare is the same however many via journeys you make? Is that new? I've always been charged per bus journey. Or did you mean however far you travel?

another at me.

i think it's time i went to bed.

yes, i meant however far you travel on any one (tfl) bus it's the same fare.

obviously, with a bus pass / travelcard, then you can make as many journeys as you darn well like.

and with oyster pay as you go (but not contactless) there's the 'daily capping' i mentioned earlier.

 

[Bungle73]

S The second person then tried to pay for them on their card, but couldn't as they'd already paid for themselves.

What? What if one person wants to pay for several people?

i hope they stay for some time yet! i don't like oyster cards.

Why not? If it's some conspiracy theory bollocks I'm not interested.

 

[Bungle73]

Thanks for that further info. When I come into Sin City I buy a one day Travelcard for the Over/Underground. It doesn't work on the buses though.

Why did you think it didn't work on buses? Travelcards are valid on all public transport within London (with a few exceptions).

Also, if you come in on a train, you should purchase a combined train ticket/Travelcard which is usually cheaper than two separate tickets.

 

[Metal Malcolm]

What? What if one person wants to pay for several people?

Err... 'tough shit' I believe is the answer.