London Anarchist movement

[Frampton]

It beats me. Why would any decent and thoughtful anarchist want to gravitate to London? There are far more exciting things happening oop here in the North. And the beer is a thousand times better too.

 

[The Black Hand]

It beats me. Why would any decent and thoughtful anarchist want to gravitate to London? There are far more exciting things happening oop here in the North. And the beer is a thousand times better too.

Good point, the Sam Smiffs is £1.28 in a pub i drink in in Durham

 

[bluestreak]

Why don't you stop getting at him? Not just you but others who turn up on Attica';s threads over and over again just to start a fucking ruck. It's like Tobyjug all over again..

agreed. play the ball not the man.

 

[bluestreak]

It beats me. Why would any decent and thoughtful anarchist want to gravitate to London? There are far more exciting things happening oop here in the North. And the beer is a thousand times better too.

Some of us were born here.

Stockholm Syndrome then innit.

 

[durruti02]

I think a lot of people just didn't oppose it. I voted but only because I wasn't completely opposed it certainly wasn't an indication of any desire to get involved in the project or indeed to provide any concrete support to it at all. I know for a fact that several people voted the same way for the same reason.

thats a shame .. i thought it was well supportted .. you should have said something! tbh i think it is really a low input thing .. a few banners and turn up and have a shout .. should be a laugh .. the hard work is the other stuff .. setting up local groups and supportting others peoples activity etc etc

 

[october_lost]

Jesus wet, my impression of the meeting had come from Ian Bones blog and now it appears its all overblown. I hope this isnt more meetings and an email list, because its clear that from what Ive seen the @s in london are well punching below their weight.

What did Dave M have to say? Is it true that he is hopping for their to be a London community group in every borough?

 

[In Bloom]

Edit: more pages than I first thought. Meh

 

[Raw SslaC]

Jesus wet, my impression of the meeting had come from Ian Bones blog and now it appears its all overblown. I hope this isnt more meetings and an email list, because its clear that from what Ive seen the @s in london are well punching below their weight.

What did Dave M have to say? Is it true that he is hopping for their to be a London community group in every borough?

Hold your horses. The proposal for the London Elections will be sorted out at a meeting this week with the comments made taken into account. I think everyone understands that it is just one day but there is also the build up which is just as important.

The local groups proposal which was circulated prior to the meeting to some people wasn't made, it was my fault as I didn't feel it was thought through enough - hence I've been speaking to a few people about getting other input into the proposal - HSG have already the "london calling" proposal which is about setting up a group in every borough of London, there has also been attempts in the past by AF to set-up local groups. So far nothing has come from it only a contacts around london who say they are interested in a local group in their area. We would need to see what are the barriers to this, if people think that local groups are they way to expand our movement and influence in London then this point needs to be made at different levels.

Finally, if people have ideas and feel that they can practically contribute something to this process then they are more than welcome to speak about it face to face in a meeting of equals - which is what this is all about. It adds so much more value if people show they have the balls to suggest something AND carry it through.

There are no easy answers and it is much more easier to criticise groups/individuals than actually support and help them develop their ideas. Anyhow the email list has been set-up for this sort of thing.

all the best

A

 

[biff curtains]

What did Dave M have to say? Is it true that he is hopping for their to be a London community group in every borough?

He's been saying there should be for the last 20 years or so.

HSG has a project called "London Calling" with which they offer to help any interested person or people who want's to start a group in their borough (this is London only), they will put people in touch with each other and help out with the logistics of launching an exploratory meeting - and will attend the meeting if asked.

Anyone interested should email info @ haringey.org.uk (remove spaces) with contact details and the borough or area they live in.

I think it fits in very nicely with some of what was suggested at the London meeting.

On this thread I would say Tax, Thora, and Raw give the most accurate accounts of the meeting.

 

[treelover]

HSG seem to do very detailed and innovative stuff, far way from the triumphalism of the far left(imo, now finished in the UK)

 

[october_lost]

At Raw SslaC, I was commenting based on having heard this first hand by the cheerleading from Ian Bone and Attica, it was then a bit of a let down to read Taxs comments. Nothing more. Anything that brings people together is a good thing.

 

[chico enrico]

i reckon Bone should stand for mayor. it'd be funny. i'd vote for him.

or Nancy Dell'Olio.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

HSG seem to do very detailed and innovative stuff, far way from the triumphalism of the far left(imo, now finished in the UK)

true, true.

He's been saying there should be for the last 20 years or so.

and he's still right

On this thread I would say Tax, Thora, and Raw give the most accurate accounts of the meeting.

Cheers pal

 

[Taxamo Welf]

just to say - i voted for the second london election proposal cos a) the first idea was not really... um. .... aaaand b) the second idea had some potential for decent propagandising about what is actually WRONG with mainstream politcs, not just what a bunch of well ard lunatics we are. There is definitely a point in a 'plague on all your houses' approach as long as it suggests some ways we can solve problems ourselves, as opposed to just slagging off the candidates who pretend to do it for us.

You know, anarchism...

That old chestnut.

 

[chico enrico]

There is definitely a point in a 'plague on all your houses' approach as long as it suggests some ways we can solve problems ourselves, as opposed to just slagging off the candidates who pretend to do it for us.

You know, anarchism...

ah, but you see, that's where it all goes wrong and you lose the plot.

why bother suggesting ways you can solve problems yourself when you simply can't.

we're talking about borough councils, taxes, education, health, public expenditure, rates...an endless list.

where-as the folk standing are just a bunch of wankers so why not just say that? one of the best things bone's ever produced was that anti-election poster with one word - WANKERS on it.

that's all that needs to be said, not some pie in the sky that folks are just gonna think you're a bunch of nut-jobs for espousing.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

ah, but you see, that's where it all goes wrong and you lose the plot.

why bother suggesting ways you can solve problems yourself when you simply can't.

we're talking about borough councils, taxes, education, health, public expenditure, rates...an endless list.

where-as the folk standing are just a bunch of wankers so why not just say that? one of the best things bone's ever produced was that anti-election poster with one word - WANKERS on it.

that's all that needs to be said, not some pie in the sky that folks are just gonna think you're a bunch of nut-jobs for espousing.

i couldn't disagree more

communism or death

 

[Raw SslaC]

just to say - i voted for the second london election proposal cos a) the first idea was not really... um. .... aaaand b) the second idea had some potential for decent propagandising about what is actually WRONG with mainstream politcs, not just what a bunch of well ard lunatics we are. There is definitely a point in a 'plague on all your houses' approach as long as it suggests some ways we can solve problems ourselves, as opposed to just slagging off the candidates who pretend to do it for us.

You know, anarchism...

That old chestnut.

Both ideas were the same politically, its just one had a stronger anti-fascist element to it AND logistically it had a bit more bottle to it.

My point still stands, if the Labour Party opens up a bookshop do you think 70,000 will march to shut it down? If not why not if it is as bad as the BNP?

Hope the meeting to finalise this goes well, though I hoping what ever we propose is more than a picket-thats-radical-because-we-say-it-is type of thing.

cheers all

A

 

[durruti02]

Both ideas were the same politically, its just one had a stronger anti-fascist element to it AND logistically it had a bit more bottle to it.

My point still stands, if the Labour Party opens up a bookshop do you think 70,000 will march to shut it down? If not why not if it is as bad as the BNP?

Hope the meeting to finalise this goes well, though I hoping what ever we propose is more than a picket-thats-radical-because-we-say-it-is type of thing.

cheers all

A

it is the other work locally that will be radical .. building from the base .. but we need 'stunts' too to show people who we are .. while i totally understand the motivation behind the march idea, politically i don't think it works for us atmit .. i'll start a thread on anti fascism! there was a good discussion started teh other night

and our job is to help resolve the paradox you note .. that people get furious rightly about a fringe fasc group ( rightly ) yet do little or nothing do stop the party/govt actually beating them remorelessly that is at war in 2 countries and the system that is destroying our world ..

 

[Paul Marsh]

At Raw SslaC, I was commenting based on having heard this first hand by the cheerleading from Ian Bone and Attica,

It should perhaps be pointed out for credibility reasons that the latter has not had any role in this.

 

[The Black Hand]

It should perhaps be pointed out for credibility reasons that the latter has not had any role in this.

It should perhaps be pointed out for credibility reasons that you are being a wanker. Why are you prolonging this vendetta it is fucking stupid?

 

[8den]

It should perhaps be pointed out for credibility reasons that you are being a wanker. Why are you prolonging this vendetta it is fucking stupid?

Be honoured Attica, there is something about your delusional posturing that annoys so many people.

 

[The Black Hand]

Be honoured Attica, there is something about your delusional posturing that annoys so many people.

I am honoured sir; but when people have smoked the pipe of peace and then renegue it gets my goat.

 

[8den]

I am honoured sir; but when people have smoked the pipe of peace and then renegue it gets my goat.

What can I say, your twattery and ability to reignite an argument is epic.

Now comes the bit were you threaten to behead me.

 

[The Black Hand]

What can I say, your twattery and ability to reignite an argument is epic.

Now comes the bit were you threaten to behead me.

I think you'll find twattery is two sided, the arguments could not continue without an adversary. In short, the 'we're innocent, Attica's not' is pure bollocks. In this case Paul kicked it off (again)...

 

[8den]

I think you'll find twattery is two sided, the arguments could not continue without an adversary. In short, the 'we're innocent, Attica's not' is pure bollocks. In this case Paul kicked it off (again)...

He started it!

Did not!

Did do!



Jesus wept Attica what are you? 9 years old?

 

[bluestreak]

I'll behead the pair of youse in a minute *bangs heads together*

 

[The Black Hand]

He started it!

Did not!

Did do!

Jesus wept Attica what are you? 9 years old?

I just like to point out where the original sin lies.