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Ian Bone said:
attended by most London anarchist groups THE HISTORIC DECISION was taken to set up the LONDON ANARCHIST MOVEMENT . The first action of the new movement will be on May 2nd at the Mayoral election count at the GLA building to curse a pox on all the candidates at 4pm when the results are declared under the slogan:

NEITHER TOFF,COPPER,CROOK OR NAZI!

Be there!
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way way off the mark. That is simply not how it went down.

I really don't know why Ian would say that, and say it before anyone has put together something more solid...

Nothing wrong with what he said about the election protest, yes we all thought that was OK as an idea, but "The first action of the new movement" = ???!

New movement?!

Utterly puzzled.
 
Taxamo Welf said:
Attica please mate, don't post up stuff you are guessing at. I was at the meeting and this is about as momentous and historic as the me and thora had afterwards, actually far less.
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As the what "me and thora had afterwards"?

Taxamo Welf said:
Nothing wrong with what he said about the election protest, yes we all thought that was OK as an idea, but "The first action of the new movement" = ???!

New movement?!

Utterly puzzled.
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As I remember it, we didn't even all think it was an ok idea - around half the meeting was interested in it, but nothing solid was agreed upon.
 
Taxamo Welf said:
Attica please mate, don't post up stuff you are guessing at.
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Why? It was all fair comment from what Ian wrote.

People need to stop being precious, and I'm not talking about you. The groups amount to jack shit between them.:eek::hmm::D but saying that there are some people I love in them...

It's time that all those groups addressed their impotence.

have you read MAYDAY magazine yet Tax?
 
It was reported in the Press that the world is ten weeks away from running out of grain:eek:


oh, and as the welfare state looks like its about to go down the pan, they won;t be short of enough crusades!


it comes on teh back of negative stuff - economic crisis in US / prospect of serious food price rises even shortages / biggest ever far right represenation / etc

and positive stuff - massive disillusionment with established politics and and reports from all over that people have had enough and that only an @, being anti authoritarian and anti dogmatic, was capable of filling the void left by the clear abandonment of the working class by all the maj parties and much of the gobbledegook far left
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Attica said:
It's a momentous decision...

At a packed meeting at Ramparts on Thursday night attended by most London anarchist groups THE HISTORIC DECISION was taken to set up the LONDON ANARCHIST MOVEMENT .
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An equally MOMENTOUS and HISTORIC decision was made earlier today in the Rose and Crown. Dave Smith declared that he'd have another pint of bitter and then maybe take the dog for a walk!

In years to come, young people will ask if you remember where you were when you heard of Dave's MOMENTOUS AND WORLD-HISTORIC second-pint decision.
 
JHE said:
An equally MOMENTOUS and HISTORIC decision was made earlier today in the Rose and Crown. Dave Smith declared that he'd have another pint of bitter and then maybe take the dog for a walk!

In years to come, young people will ask if you remember where you were when you heard of Dave's MOMENTOUS AND WORLD-HISTORIC second-pint decision.
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There are different levels that is true JHE. Well done. Move on.
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I think this thread is quite a good example of why the anarchist "movement" will never actually get anything done, you can't even decide if you've got something to say or not :D
 
if I had the choice between a successful socialist social revolution or a successful anarchist social revolution, I would honestly choose the latter (from my limited understanding of the distinctions between the two).

If I had the choice of a workers movement in Britain as it is now, or with what you are proposing, I would choose the latter.

I think I can speak for every member of the Socialist Workers Party in wishing you every success, it is impossible to have too many organised workers.

Fraternally, ResistanceMP3
 
Attica said:
Why? It was all fair comment from what Ian wrote.
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No it is completely out of order. I have just heard from the person who organised this meeting and chaired it - and supported the proposal - and even *they* do not believe that there was any decisioon on this. What Bone has just put on his blog is untrue, and its a cynical attempt at forcing people to do something by implying it was a unanimous decision, momentous, popular etc. I have seen about half the people from the meeting since then, and this is NOBODY'S view.

Its lucky this is such a non issue or there could have been a serious problem. The man has a PR style that would make max clifford blush.

I look forward to the london movement working closer together and ill be at the nxt meeting, but not if one person decides what happened at it after the fact. Then someone like you on the other side of the country deciding this is what happend.

It's time that all those groups addressed their impotence.
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Yes its time the Feds and the scene types addressed their impotence and i know some of them are. It is not time that LCAP, IWW, Antifa, HSG, HI etc etc fucking etc do so, as these groups have success and momentum and don't need the really top-draw advice that we should have some big one day riot.

Now as i say, i am looking forward to continuing this discussion *in the group* and far more that is positive came out of the meeting than this small disagreement. The main thing is we have agreed to work together meet together and discuss. I am not slagging anyone off, obviously.

have you read MAYDAY magazine yet Tax?
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No, i've told you this - i have no idea what any of it means and it bored me. Sorry but if it's at a level i cannot understand and i have half a politics degree, wtf use is it going to be to the rest of the world?

I apologise for the combative tone, but i'm not very impressed with this bollocks about the meeting.

I'll write a measured report on it, backing a unioted london movment where possible and the potential of some decent publicity stunts, and post it later. This is not that report, its me coming back of a bunch of nonsense.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
I think this thread is quite a good example of why the anarchist "movement" will never actually get anything done, you can't even decide if you've got something to say or not :D
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But this isn't the anarchist movement, this is the usual bollocks mill on the internet. We get plenty done, the question is how much of it is useful and how much of it is building towards autonomy and spreading confidence in people outside of the movement. Thats what meetings like this are about, trying to answer that :)
 
You are OK Tax, and I think your tone is fine. I appreciate what you wrote. So your gripe is what Ian wrote, fair enough. I wasn't there, i was just spreading Ians comments and developing them. I do have my own mind you know:D I shall desist now on this topic.

As for Mayday I'd forgotten your comment. :o

Yes it is aimed at a higher level because the movement badly needs serious ideas rather than the superficial stuff it has run with for decades. Infact I would go so far to say that there is no serious treatment of theory and practice in any of the existing groups:eek: although of course some are better than others. I agree with you about the IWW btw. LCAP i do not know anything about so I couldn't comment on their momentum, the others exist...

I have heard from others now and this could be a good way to actually talk about important matters amongst the movement. Good. 20 years too late, but it's a good thing, a promising start....
 
Attica said:
You are OK Tax, and I think your tone is fine. I appreciate what you wrote. So your gripe is what Ian wrote, fair enough. I wasn't there, i was just spreading Ians comments and developing them. I do have my own mind you know:D I shall desist now on this topic.

As for Mayday I'd forgotten your comment. :o

Yes it is aimed at a higher level because the movement badly needs serious ideas rather than the superficial stuff it has run with for decades. Infact I would go so far to say that there is no serious treatment of theory and practice in any of the existing groups:eek: although of course some are better than others. I agree with you about the IWW btw. LCAP i do not know anything about so I couldn't comment on their momentum, the others exist...

I have heard from others now and this could be a good way to actually talk about important matters amongst the movement. Good. 20 years too late, but it's a good thing, a promising start....
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Ok cheers for ur understanding :)
 
Attica said:
They'll show up in a half assed sort of way, look awfully well meaning, and then write a half assed critique of why it failed - perhaps because they should have put more effort, spirit, dynamism, spunk, and balls:hmm: into it in the first place! :eek::D:hmm:
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not true there were members there playing a full an active role
 
Thora said:
I didn't come out of it feeling this was a new "group" - more just a way to bring local groups, campaign/issue groups, individuals etc together. There were some members of AF there, couldn't say how many though as I have no idea who is/isn't a member.
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yep that is fair .. :)
 
Taxamo Welf said:
way way off the mark. That is simply not how it went down.

I really don't know why Ian would say that, and say it before anyone has put together something more solid...

Nothing wrong with what he said about the election protest, yes we all thought that was OK as an idea, but "The first action of the new movement" = ???!

New movement?!

Utterly puzzled.
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er we are talking about Ian Bone here! :D

swings and roundabouts!

p.s. i thought we had agreed the GLA thing! it went to a vote and was passed overwhemlingly i thought ..
 
durruti02 said:
p.s. i thought we had agreed the GLA thing! it went to a vote and was passed overwhemlingly i thought ..
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I think a lot of people just didn't oppose it. I voted but only because I wasn't completely opposed it certainly wasn't an indication of any desire to get involved in the project or indeed to provide any concrete support to it at all. I know for a fact that several people voted the same way for the same reason.
 
We shouldn't forget this is early days, the proposal will develop not doubt and I hope people will support it by either publicising it in their area and turning up on the day. The real work comes after and hopefully we can get these local groups set-up. And durruti2 - send me an email as I need to chat to you about some ideas.

Cheers

A
 
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