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London Anarchist bookfair 2020

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
It’s seen as a big thing for friends of mine in the north. In some cases it might be the only time I’ll see them that year. And then you get those with no vested interest dipping their noses in and stirring the pot.
Oh I'm sure she has a vested interest, as will become clear if you read her 60 posts on the 2017 thread. It's just not anarchism though
 

kenny g

Sheeple Wake up!
Will any thought be put into increasing ventilation over previous venues? The one commonality amongst the various strands I have noticed over the past years is the pong factor. Might be political pheromones or a shared aversion to washing.

Will dogs be allowed? Used to make book fairs more entertaining in years gone past.

Can we re-introduce a cider bar? Preferably some fine scrumpy from Welsh/ West Country/ Nottingham comrades.

Wetherspoons is CCTV'd to the nines (with audio recording).
 

Rutita1

Council Estate Socialist
Are you an anarchist kenny g ?
Have you ever been to the bookfair?
Do you have a vested interest?

I actually don't want you to answer these questions but it seems that even talking about the bookfair here on Urban is being 'policed', so some might :thumbs:...ironic really.

Oh also, your words, phrasing and writing style will be analysed to ascertain your prole authenticity. ;)
 
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ska invita

back on the other side
Did I miss something? I'm not sure that's what the thread has been saying...
yeah you missed it, thats exactly what many posters said, i can link the posts if you really want, and it wouldve likely stayed that way until one of the organisers popped up and the insults slowed down a bit after that (after some your not really working class nonsense).

Funny, if there's one lesson from the bookfair fiasco that shut it down was if something is not to your liking don't immediately pile on and denounce everyone in a spirit of "the organisers are the enemy" as not surprisingly they'll walk away. Treat people on the same side as your friends and help to build. Yet within 24 hours of announcing this thing there's similiar shooting down point scoring and grandstanding

Whoever the poor sods are who have decided to give this a try are obviously up against it from the off and have come out with their backs to the wall. I dont envy them one bit.
 

danny la rouge

Raddled old poet
Although I’m an anarchist, I’ve never been to the London book fair. (I’m rarely in London. I’ve been, on average, once a decade). I don’t know the players. So it’s all a bit baffling looking at this from a distance.

How would people who understand what’s going on explain it to anarchists from other parts?
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
Will any thought be put into increasing ventilation over previous venues? The one commonality amongst the various strands I have noticed over the past years is the pong factor. Might be political pheromones or a shared aversion to washing.

Will dogs be allowed? Used to make book fairs more entertaining in years gone past.

Can we re-introduce a cider bar? Preferably some fine scrumpy from Welsh/ West Country/ Nottingham comrades.

Wetherspoons is CCTV'd to the nines (with audio recording).
Do you have a source for the audio (besides bouncer bodycams, which isn't a surprise)?
 

Pickman's model

every man and every woman is a star
Although I’m an anarchist, I’ve never been to the London book fair. (I’m rarely in London. I’ve been, on average, once a decade). I don’t know the players. So it’s all a bit baffling looking at this from a distance.

How would people who understand what’s going on explain it to anarchists from other parts?
A new lot are making rumblings about putting on a book fair in London next year, I'll keep you posted.

That ought to do the trick
 
Are you an anarchist kenny g ?
Have you ever been to the bookfair?
Do you have a vested interest?

I actually don't want you to answer these questions but it seems that even talking about the bookfair here on Urban is being 'policed', so some might :thumbs:...ironic really.

Oh also, your words, phrasing and writing style will be analysed to ascertain your prole authenticity. ;)
You seem fine with the feminism threads being policed and troublemakers being kicked off those and yet your standards change when the boot is on the other foot it seems.
 

kenny g

Sheeple Wake up!
Look y'all, stop chipping about and let's get back to the OP. I wish the BF every success and dare say will try to make the effort to attend. For all the internet drama most previous problems have involved a small number of people and for the vast majority of attendees the BF has been a great experience. The variety of strands of anarchism present has always been its strength.
 

Gaia

Urban's Village Idiot
Yeah, though I think more because he was a friend of some of them than because the organisation is committed to him politically. I've noticed a tendency for the anarchist rumour mill to ascribe indefensibly moderate positions to organisations based on some opinions that some people in them have expressed. They usually have a variety of positions within them - I'm sure the anarchist federation does. I heard a year or so that Plan C had come out for Corbyn, when in fact a few members had written about it then later left the organisation because they couldn't convert the rest of them to Corbynism.
When I first heard about Plan C, my immediate reaction was that they were - for probably obvious reasons - a pro-Corbyn group. I don't, in all honesty, know too much about what they stand for even now.
 

Gaia

Urban's Village Idiot
They never were. As I said, a subset of the group got excited about Corbyn, tried to convert the rest and failed, then left. I met the leavers a couple of months ago complaining bitterly about how the rest of Plan C had failed to get with the social democratic program.

Also Plan C have been doing stuff at the bookfair for years. I think a bit more generosity to people putting time into organising something is in order (and yes, it would have been in order with the last organisers too, but two wrongs don't make a right).
So why have a name that makes themselves SOUND like they are then…?! Because that's what first thought (but, then, I'm totally higgorant, I'm more of an armchair anarchist). Have Plan C been in existence BC (before Corbyn)…?
 

Gaia

Urban's Village Idiot
I have no skin in the game here, but do you not think it’s a bit alienating to refer to everyone on this thread as “guys” twice in your first 2 sentences? It’s a sign of a pretty shitty brocialist mindset ime. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Oh, do calm down dear. Just because someone uses the word 'guys' as a generalist term, DOES NOT mean they are invalidating your right, as a woman, to exist. Okay…?

I would now like to propose that the words 'brocialist' and 'brocialism' be added to the banned words list (and, just so CC doesn't think she's being left out, let's ban use of 'guys' as a generalist term - would that make you feel better< CC…?).

Look, I have no problems with feminism, what I do have a problem with is feminists who take every use of a masculine term as a personal affront/affront to 'The Sisterhood'. I don't like extremes of any kind (that said, I wouldn't mind extremely fast broadband - my download speed averages 500kb/s - upload…? We're talking bytes).
 

Sue

Well-Known Member
Oh, do calm down dear. Just because someone uses the word 'guys' as a generalist term, DOES NOT mean they are invalidating your right, as a woman, to exist. Okay…?

I would now like to propose that the words 'brocialist' and 'brocialism' be added to the banned words list (and, just so CC doesn't think she's being left out, let's ban use of 'guys' as a generalist term - would that make you feel better< CC…?).

Look, I have no problems with feminism, what I do have a problem with is feminists who take every use of a masculine term as a personal affront/affront to 'The Sisterhood'. I don't like extremes of any kind (that said, I wouldn't mind extremely fast broadband - my download speed averages 500kb/s - upload…? We're talking bytes).
colacubes can obviously speak for herself but imo your first paragraph is not okay. You may not agree with the sentiment expressed -- which is obviously fine and up for debate. Telling her to 'calm down dear' on the other hand is not.
 

Rutita1

Council Estate Socialist
colacubes can obviously speak for herself but imo your first paragraph is not okay. You may not agree with the sentiment expressed -- which is obviously fine and up for debate. Telling her to 'calm down dear' on the other hand is not.
Yes, this. Gaia . It does seem particularly off that you chose a popular patriarchal trope to use against colacubes. You don't have to agree with her but insulting her in that way polarises and creates the very extremes you claim not to like.
 

colacubes

Well-Known Member
Oh, do calm down dear. Just because someone uses the word 'guys' as a generalist term, DOES NOT mean they are invalidating your right, as a woman, to exist. Okay…?

I would now like to propose that the words 'brocialist' and 'brocialism' be added to the banned words list (and, just so CC doesn't think she's being left out, let's ban use of 'guys' as a generalist term - would that make you feel better< CC…?).

Look, I have no problems with feminism, what I do have a problem with is feminists who take every use of a masculine term as a personal affront/affront to 'The Sisterhood'. I don't like extremes of any kind (that said, I wouldn't mind extremely fast broadband - my download speed averages 500kb/s - upload…? We're talking bytes).
I think you should probably take a step back and take a couple of deep, calming breaths. I asked the poster a question in a fairly polite way, he (I assume but don’t know for sure) actually agreed and accepted it was a reasonable challenge. I at no point suggested he was invalidating my right as a women (you assume) to exist. So I have to confess I find your ire several weeks and hundreds of posts later somewhat baffling tbh :confused:
 

rich!

stalin tache
I didn’t ask if it was organised by working class people. You made a statement about hi vis and pretended to be working class. Don’t do it. You’ll get caught out in seconds.
Did we ever get to the bottom of whether you're the landlord of KK MCCools? I seem to remember you went pretty quiet on that.
 
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