Lock terror suspects up indefinitely, say police

[chymaera]

In which case, the true causes are being ignored and only the symptoms are being dealt with. The IRA eventually stopped its bombing campaign when they were brought into the peace process.

Just who do you suggest negotiating with in this instance. Their aim is turn Britain into an Islamic state.

 

[detective-boy]

In fact, you tend to react this way to most posters.

Do I?

MOST posters?

Really? Or is your mathematical ability as dire as your spelling? Please do feel free to compile a list ...

 

[untethered]

Just who do you suggest negotiating with in this instance. Their aim is turn Britain into an Islamic state.

That's just a ridiculous myth with no evidence to support it.

Their aim is to turn the whole world into an Islamic state.

 

[detective-boy]

Really?

Yes. Really. Comprehension a difficulty, too?

I don;t like running to teacher, and have never done so before, preferring to respond in kind by calling a twat a twat. But, having been asked to desist from that I must seek protection from your bigotry and abuse elsewhere.

 

[untethered]

Yes. Really. Comprehension a difficulty, too?

I don;t like running to teacher, and have never done so before, preferring to respond in kind by calling a twat a twat. But, having been asked to desist from that I must seek protection from your bigotry and abuse elsewhere.

Perhaps the pair of you would like to take the handbagging to PMs?

 

[nino_savatte]

Do I?

MOST posters?

Really? Or is your mathematical ability as dire as your spelling? Please do feel free to compile a list ...

You do or you have a short memory. If you abuse me then I respond. I have that right.

My spelling is a hell of a lot better than your inability to think independently. There are no misspellings in my posts.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes. Really. Comprehension a difficulty, too?

I don;t like running to teacher, and have never done so before, preferring to respond in kind by calling a twat a twat. But, having been asked to desist from that I must seek protection from your bigotry and abuse elsewhere.

So if you "don;t like running to teacher", then why did you report my post - particularly when you were rather abusive towards me for no reason at all?

That's right, run away, you're a coward, a bully and a liar.

 

[chymaera]

That's just a ridiculous myth with no evidence to support it.

Their aim is to turn the whole world into an Islamic state.

I think you need to re-read that. How can it be a myth that they want to turn Britain into an Islamic state, if they want to turn the World into an Islamic state. Is Britain now another planet?

 

[editor]

That's right, run away, you're a coward, a bully and a liar.

I'm getting really bored with this.

Put him on ignore if he upsets you that much. Or don't look at his words. Or wear a watermelon hat with anti d-b filter.

I don't really care what you do, just quit the endless wind-ups and personal abuse.

Please

 

[editor]

It's flatfoot, not flatoot. You really should try and maintain the ability to spell, even when you are ranting uncontrollably. And don't let the spittle get into the keyboard, either - fucks them up something rotten.

And enough already too.

 

[untethered]

I think you need to re-read that. How can it be a myth that they want to turn Britain into an Islamic state, if they want to turn the World into an Islamic state. Is Britain now another planet?

It was just a bit of fun. I thought you were understating the Islamists' intentions.

 

[Fruitloop]

Who wants to turn Britain into an Islamic state? A tiny number of people IMO.

 

[chymaera]

Who wants to turn Britain into an Islamic state? A tiny number of people IMO.

It only takes a tiny number to cause mayhem and widespread distress if they resort to suicide bombing.

 

[Fruitloop]

Well sure, but it doesn't mean they have any chance of acheiving their aims.

 

[chymaera]

Well sure, but it doesn't mean they have any chance of acheiving their aims.

That really isn't the point if they achieve widespread fear and hit the country hard financially.

 

[TAE]

Where did I say it did? [...] Where did I say we were. Please don't imply that I am posting things which I am not.

Where did I say you had?

 

[London_Calling]

I really don't like the way 9/11 has strangled the English language; what on earth is a 'terror suspect'?

As best I understood English, such a person is suspected of living in fear.


It all derives from the White House speechwriters, init?


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[TAE]

It's crazy anyway, because A/Q tried to take down the twin towers in the mid 90s and there world did not 'change' then.

Now as far as I know, the bombings in Spain were not suicide bombings, as they were triggered by mobile-phones. Also I don't think the recent attempted car bombs in London would have been suicide bombings. So I don't think the 'unusual threat' is just about suicide bombings.

 

[mauvais]

Well, for a start, all the evidence you get from the bomb (fingerprints, DNA, tracing components and getting descriptions, CCTV footage ...) and which helps identify the bomber is ... er ... pretty useless as a starter for ten to conduct subsequent proactive investigations ....

(There are lots more practical differences in terms of how susceptible they are to investigation but I suspect the above one will suffice to make the point as you are probably thinking only of the fucking great big bang ... in which there is little practical difference (other than an ability to get into places situations where a non-suicide bomber would have great difficulty)

No, not exactly. I agree that for a would be bomber the kind of planning you need is quite different, but there's difficulties either way. A suicide bomber, at least in the UK, doesn't just magically acquire a bomb, go out one day and blow themselves up. They have acquaintances and support from people who probably wish to stay as free as an IRA bomber themselves would. Yes, the key suspect is dead but that's almost certainly not the end of it.

 

[fela fan]

I can't help thinking that a great deal of cultural relativism is being employed in order to paint an even grimmer picture and thus rationalise even more terror legislation.

And not just cultural.

I've been watching all this from the outside, and therefore have a different view to most britons (not yourself nino!). In a nutshell since 911 it just seems that those who have a public voice, primarily coppers and politicians, and also some supine media commentators, play this terror card. And increasingly so.

And it is so way out of proportion with actual events.

But of course, keep the general population under fear, and they find it much harder to arrive at the independent thinking required to realise that the country faces these terrorist incidents because of our foreign policy. In other words, those in power are making sure we don't put the blame where it lies.

 

[fela fan]

Just who do you suggest negotiating with in this instance. Their aim is turn Britain into an Islamic state.

I would say that is pure bullshit, or pure propaganda that you've fallen for. But show me i'm wrong, where do you get this idea from?

 

[chainsaw cat]

And not just cultural.

I've been watching all this from the outside, and therefore have a different view to most britons (not yourself nino!). In a nutshell since 911 it just seems that those who have a public voice, primarily coppers and politicians, and also some supine media commentators, play this terror card. And increasingly so.

And it is so way out of proportion with actual events.

But of course, keep the general population under fear, and they find it much harder to arrive at the independent thinking required to realise that the country faces these terrorist incidents because of our foreign policy. In other words, those in power are making sure we don't put the blame where it lies.

Yeah, up to a point.


But the real blame for putting bombs on buses or trains lies with the cunts who do it.

Our politicians are about the most repellant bunch of creeps you could cram into nasty suits, but at least they don't wander about blowing up kids on purpose.

 

[untethered]

the country faces these terrorist incidents because of our foreign policy.

I agree that our foreign policy is pretty poor. But is terrorism a legitimate response to it?

Would terrorism subside if our foriegn policy changed?

And what did the Danish cartoons have to do with foreign policy? That was a purely domestic matter.

 

[fela fan]

It only takes a tiny number to cause mayhem and widespread distress if they resort to suicide bombing.

It's a tiny number of british people who have created this climate of fear and terrorism, by their foreign policy actions. These are the leaders of the country.

All you're advocating is to cut off the bad branches of the tree. Why not get to the seeds that are bad and deal with them? Cut off a branch and more just grow in its place...

 

[fela fan]

Yeah, up to a point.


But the real blame for putting bombs on buses or trains lies with the cunts who do it.

Our politicians are about the most repellant bunch of creeps you could cram into nasty suits, but at least they don't wander about blowing up kids on purpose.

Blame is blame mate. Yes of course you can blame those that put the bombs out there to kill ordinary folk trying to go about their lives. They are despicable anti-humans.

But equally so are those in power who create conditions (from their foreign policy) that lead to these bombings. And my point is that since they come first, if you want to stop the second batch of fuckers, stop the first bunch of fuckers first.

 

[fela fan]

I agree that our foreign policy is pretty poor. But is terrorism a legitimate response to it?

Would terrorism subside if our foriegn policy changed?

And what did the Danish cartoons have to do with foreign policy? That was a purely domestic matter.

Apologies in advance if this does not apply to you mate, but i reckon britons need a wider world view, to see all this in a wider context. I reckon that most people are shaping their views based on british papers, british media, british commentators, and so on.

Why aren't these nasty terrorists doing their bombs in sweden, senegal, malaysia, venezuela, switzerland, fiji, new zealand, france even? These are of course representative countries, i could name well over a hundred more. Why are they living peacefully enough without this omniprescent terror threat that britons face?

And yes, terrorism would subside if our leaders refrained from policies that kill hundreds of thousands of people.

If you throw your lot in with the american butchers, then expect reprisals. If you live peacefully and don't kill and blast other countries to bits, then chances are you will not have this threat that has enveloped britain and so cowed its population.

 

[detective-boy]

No, not exactly. I agree that for a would be bomber the kind of planning you need is quite different, but there's difficulties either way. A suicide bomber, at least in the UK, doesn't just magically acquire a bomb, go out one day and blow themselves up. They have acquaintances and support from people who probably wish to stay as free as an IRA bomber themselves would. Yes, the key suspect is dead but that's almost certainly not the end of it.

I didn't say it wasn't useful. I said it was significantly less useful. As an investigator, you would have far more chance of preventing a future bombing in a typical "traditional" case than in a typical "suicide" case.

 

[detective-boy]

And enough already too.

I thought sarcasm and ridicule were acceptable. I'm sure I recall some from other posters on conspiraloon threads.

But if you say not, then so be it.

 

[TAE]

Our politicians are about the most repellant bunch of creeps you could cram into nasty suits, but at least they don't wander about blowing up kids on purpose.

Depends what you call 'on purpose'. The blair government started an unnecessary war, supported the bombing of urban areas, and thus has kids' blood on their hands.

 

[chainsaw cat]

Blame is blame mate. Yes of course you can blame those that put the bombs out there to kill ordinary folk trying to go about their lives. They are despicable anti-humans.

But equally so are those in power who create conditions (from their foreign policy) that lead to these bombings. And my point is that since they come first, if you want to stop the second batch of fuckers, stop the first bunch of fuckers first.

Not 'equally'.

It's a given that politicians are scum.

I wouldn't weep if any one of the fuckers stopped a bullet, on principle.

But... George Bush is a cunt therefore it's ok to murder Mr Smith on the No. 19 bus?


Fucking crap.