Local elections: The Tories have done VERY well - but why?
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This thread is one of the reasons I am growing so fond of all you Urbanites. Its the optimisim.
Still from a place which will celebrate the 'Occupation of a Bus shelter in Neasden in support of the people of Gazza' as a sign of the imminent collapse of the state of Israel what else should I expect ?
But come June 6th, 2010 I know that there will be a House of Commons with a healthy Conservative majority and that the task of making things much better will have begun.
And look on the bright side. Just think how much fun you will all have slagging off a Tory Government. Its always struck me that your hearts have never really been fully in it with Labour in number 10.
Still from a place which will celebrate the 'Occupation of a Bus shelter in Neasden in support of the people of Gazza' as a sign of the imminent collapse of the state of Israel what else should I expect ?
But come June 6th, 2010 I know that there will be a House of Commons with a healthy Conservative majority and that the task of making things much better will have begun.
And look on the bright side. Just think how much fun you will all have slagging off a Tory Government. Its always struck me that your hearts have never really been fully in it with Labour in number 10.
so you ignoring that the Tory vote may ( and i have not calculated it properlybut that is my guess ) have been the LOWEST EVER for a County Council election? and yet this is a victory??? lol as i said no wonder people are sick of lieing deceitful cynical politicians
fjydj
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I'd hate to see what a loss looks like in your world
are you saying these figures are wrong? -
councillors; Con + 217, LD - 8, LAB - 250, GRN + 6, UKIP + 6, BNP + 2, OTH + 34
I remain surprised by the lack of success of the Lib Dems. Labour have been thoroughly disgraced, the Tories have few published policies - they're keeping them under wraps for the General Election -and if one looks back at the grammar school incident, you'll see that Cameron's not got it, the Tories too have had their snouts in the trough, and the Lib Dems have been relatively unscathed and have pushed hard. Yet they ended up with a net loss. So why have seats gone from Labour to Conservative and not from either to Lib Dem?
Because British politics is a two horse race. As simple as that. The Lib Dems are meaningless. Always have been, always will be.
For me the loss of both Devon and Somerset by the Lib Dems is the real political story of the day. Labour expected to get spanked and they did. The Lib Dems losing control of the those two counties, which should be the very bedrock of their political support, is a terrible blow to them.
But which two horses? It's changed in the past; it could change in the future.
Maybe but its for Labour the one most likely to fall by the wayside with how things are going.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Tory and labour. And it's changed once in very different unreaptable circumstances.
will we have more chance preventing the tories next year by voting labour or someone else (libdem, presumably)? I'd rather vote for the latter, but i'd tactically vote to block Cameron getting in.
but they gained a council: bristol.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lost somerset as well. Not sure they'd happily swap.
Leafster
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Are you suggestion there is no rural poverty?
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
If you really believe that you can make some decent wedge by selling Tory seats @ 360 on Sporting Index.
nightbreed
Im Bored
Sky news today said the Tory vote was 6% down and they would gain a 28 seat majority at the next GE.
If votes in local elections where replicated, like for like, then yes they are right but General Elections do not work that way and once you factor in what the known differences are in terms of how people vote then and the majority rockets.
Its going to be, baring something completely unforseen, 100+.
People want rid of this Government. The fright tactics of waving the Lady Thatcher glove puppet aint working any more and thats all that Labour have had left for a long long time.
Lets be honest what other reasons are there for any Labour voters to vote Labour other than just a dislike of the Tories ?
goosegrease
Cheap fish products here
I think there's a bit of truth in that. Labour had managed to take the Tory's votes and support from them for a while by being very much like them rather than ever providing an alternative to their right wing policies. Traditional Labour supporters were happy to play along with this while the going was good.
Now Labour has lost the initiative and the economic problems they've stored up with these policies have come to roost the Tory voters have gone back to them and Labour's traditional supporters are sick to the back teeth of them too. So Labour goes into electoral burn out.
I dunno. With reference to Cameron's late disabled boy. The electorate don't really buy the idea it's a question of evil people with no proper regard to the sacred rights of the disadvantaged or inept. If anything, the voters enjoy blacking the eyes of the sanctimonious left. As for Labour's traditional vote, they've never done much of a job in keeping Labour in power, there never really was a golden age of labour governments. If there was, I can't imagine when. Even just after the war, they were only in for one term. The Bevanite love of rationing did for 'em.trevhagl said:
Because what people don't want is insignificant compared to what they do want. Millions of Brits don't know what they want. If they do, they're unable to express it as steps or tasks. A matter of bread and circuses.N_igma said:
Camerons boy was never ever gonna need to claim DLA or ESA
goosegrease
Cheap fish products here
Like many voters I can't remember the Thatcher years, being under 30. I dont think people are scarred of the Tories. Most people who claim benefits or work in the public services or depend up on them have been done over by both Labour and Tory governments. The Tories did well because they're not called Labour at the moment.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Irony alert!
How will Mr Cameron's government "make things much better"? They're conservative in name only. They might make a few things better, like dumping ID cards into the sea (although the nasty database, the worst aspect of the scheme, could well stay under another name). But in general they've sold out to the social democratic agenda, opposing selective education, supporting treatment of criminals over punishment, and accepting social liberalism. It'll be a change of management, not direction.
Where they haven't sold out to social democracy and the new left, they'll reach for market dogma, utterly discredited by our financial crisis. It's again ironic that the Conservative Party are tarnished by Thatcherism, an anti-conservative creed. The only socially conservative thing of note to come out of Lady Thatcher's government was the woeful Section 28, cruel and useless in equal measure. She distracted the faithful by attacking a minority with a tokenistic law, in order to dodge the real issue. The faithful, many motivated by personal bigotry against gay people, fell for it. If she'd introduced a law banning the promotion in schools of anything besides marriage, she'd have been serious, but she never dared do anything of the kind. (I wouldn't support such a law myself: just making a point.)
Still, at least "Boris" can fall in a river and make us all laugh.
DLA isn't means tested. What people "need" is essentially contestable. What's your point?trevhagl said:
The working class is not some disadvantaged group to be added to a bourgeois shopping list of victims or "issues". Political conflict is only a matter of good vs evil for sundry religious sects.trevhagl said:
No it isn't. It's presented that way by all political currents because that's how people tend to see matters, to one degree or another.
Are you programmed to repeat the same Nietzsche-by-numbers twattery ad infinitum?
I agree and think that there is a vast difference between the political implications of such demogrpahics , and small issues such as the economic downtown the export of british manufacturing industry to china, that is when its not closing down, and the popularity of the tories and there howardesque performance.
Carousel said:
The ever shrinking electorate is riddled with religious belief. Their austerity, mediocrity and the moribund social institutions they inhabit reflect that.LLETSA said:
Flashcards.LLETSA said:
Dunno. The Tories have historically made a pretty good fist of their ability to implement a "better" health service, despite Labour's platitudes. I was chatting to a Lib Dem constituency office worker who thought that changing demographics in the shires, as far as aging population is concerned, have lost a few Lib Dem councils to the Tories.Bernie Gunther said:
Ah yes. Go to the city, or another country, you're bound to fit in much better there with people you can really identify with who share your political views. Works out great every time. Don't people flee Ireland to get abortions? Those socialists have done a cracking job and no mistake.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
fuck it - im' moving to ireland - SP narrowly missed a MEP (Joe Higgins - went to the line) and has gained 4-5 councillors (Cork and Dublin)
(PBP picked up a couple in central Dublin to - all good results for the left)
How do you know about MEP? Have they done count already - that's naughty!
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