Living outside capitalism

[Fruitloop]

Capitalism is just a specific type of social organisation. There's no 'outside' any more.

 

[radiohead]

Both of which are innately tied to capitalism - without it you get no dole, and trading in illegal goods is just capaitalism without legal sanction. Sleeping rough is the only non-dependent, but even that is 'compromised' by having to gain exchange to pay for goods and services, and being dependent on cap to provide those goods and services.

i think you're missing the point. for me, at least, and i presume for the OP, the idea is to avoid capitalist control over your actions.. which is the major gripe i have with the concept. let 'em get rich, let 'em fuck people over.. but let me not be a part of it.

they seem to be trying very fucking hard to wallpaper over all the cracks in the capitalist grip over our collective destinies. there used to be odd things you could do. splinter industries you could get invlved in and share a decent cut. now you're fucked. everyone is. except the exploitative.

our country is no longer 'great'; in fact it's a travesty.

i'd rather be an eskimo.

 

[kyser_soze]

i think you're missing the point. for me, at least, and i presume for the OP, the idea is to avoid capitalist control over your actions..

Hmm...if you're on the dole you're as reliant on capitalism as you are anywhere else, so to whatever extent your actions are controlled by capitalism. If the dole were stopped you'd either starve or have to steal, and as you point out you're skint, meaning that you're prevented from doing any number of things that someone who works and makes some money from 'the system' - at least income gives you some freedom within the boundaries of the system, whereas having no money massively reduces your ability to do anything.

So I rather think it's you that's missing the point.

 

[radiohead]

Hmm...if you're on the dole you're as reliant on capitalism as you are anywhere else, so to whatever extent your actions are controlled by capitalism. If the dole were stopped you'd either starve or have to steal, and as you point out you're skint, meaning that you're prevented from doing any number of things that someone who works and makes some money from 'the system' - at least income gives you some freedom within the boundaries of the system, whereas having no money massively reduces your ability to do anything.

So I rather think it's you that's missing the point.

on the dole capitalism isn't reliant on you; therefore you don't have to waste your life participating in someone else's ludicrous game.

a social support structure could exist in a non-capitalist society so don't gimme that.

the fundamental truth is that capitalism rewards, relies on, and perpetuates greed. there is no equilibrium to be reached because the system is inherantly unfair. therefore we'll travel further and further away from a workable balance of power the longer we all submit to this hopeless cause.

when the limit to which your chosen resource (in this particular instance; the free will of humankind) can be exploited is reached; capitalism is over.

the reports of 800,000 suicides world-wide last year suggests to me this limit is well within sight.

my major fear is that - in much the same way Darwins theory of natural selection works - our society will eventually become comprised entirely of those ignorant of or hopelessly subserviant to those wishing to exploit them.

something beautiful about humanity will be lost if this is ever to happen in entirity. the beauty of capability will be lost forever.

some of us are trying to escape the rot. i'm not going to be happy merely surviving until i die.