Live stream from the Pittsburgh G20

[AKA pseudonym]

moving on... to the topic in hand...

The Inter Press Service has released a three part series on the Pittsburgh G20 Summit- highlighting the protests, along with footage from inside the summit

It is a three part series. You can view them each here:

PART 1

PART 2

PART 3


www.ipsnews.net

 

[AKA pseudonym]

What on earth are you gibbering about?



You are a complete cretin. End of discussion. I can't conclusively prove you're not a paedophile for example. Your simple minded ignorance doesn't seem to grasp a completely basic concept, that the burden of proof is on the person making a claim. You don't go get charged with murder and then have to prove you didn't kill anyone, the onus is on the court to show that you did murder someone.

In short. No. One. Has. Shown. That. Microwave. Weapons. Are. In. Use. In. Pittisburgh. It's. Not. My. Job. To. Show. That. They're. Not. There.

Now please wipe the dribble off your chin, and if there's anything in the above paragraphs that eludes you get one of the older children to explain it to you. Using pictures. And glove puppets.

Play the ball, not the player....

apologise for the remarks in bold or GTFO

 

[8den]

Play the ball, not the player....

apologise for the remarks in bold or GTFO

Metaphor meet AKA pseudonym. AKA pseudonym meet Metaphor.

Priceless.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Is it just a rumour that butchersapron concocted, that you were at a time even remotely connected to the indy crew in Ireland? an oh so connected lefty in Ireland? pmsl

Do you always take things at facevalue?

was whitenoise a technique used by the Brits in the 70s... do you not think technology may have just slightly moved on?

Are you just playing the arsehole or does it just come naturally these days...

How about using some of those of those alleged citizen journalism credentials and proving to me that these microwave weapons do not exist (btw this weapon is used also to disable mobile phones use in their vicinity)

else climb under the bridge you come from......

And dont use clever arsed BS semantic double negatives crap... its not spiritualism we is discussing... its REAL WORLD issues....

facts my dear child, FACTS!

Who needs facts when one has swearwords, strawmen and an all purpose machine for shifting goalposts? I'm not wasting any more time on that loser myself.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Metaphor meet AKA pseudonym. AKA pseudonym meet Metaphor.

Priceless.

yup i know what that big word means...
I also understand childish, stupid, obscene and insulting metaphors...

lets stay on topic hey? n less of the insults if you are capable...

you wanna pop at me cool... there is a PM facility I believe....

else GTFO

 

[8den]

yup i know what that big word means...
I also understand childish, stupid, obscene and insulting metaphors...

So you understand that it's impossible to prove a negative? All I'm doing is educating the world one idiot at a time.

lets stay on topic hey? n less of the insults if you are capable...

you wanna pop at me cool... there is a PM facility I believe....

else GTFO

Do you have any idea how empty a threat that is?

 

[8den]

Who needs facts when one has swearwords, strawmen and an all purpose machine for shifting goalposts? I'm not wasting any more time on that loser myself.

But where will I get my fix of Alex Jones hysterical bullshit!

 

[AKA pseudonym]

We Closed Down those Banks, Baby, in solidarity with our comrades in Pittsburgh

On Friday, September 25, the ATMs and doors of three banks in New Orleans' French Quarter were sealed shut by the New Orleans Political Fashion Police. Fuck banks. So ugly.

These actions were in solidarity with the occupiers at UC Santa Cruz and our comrades in Pittsburgh. We also did this for New Orleans, in the initial phase of our project to expel capital from our beautiful home.

This ain't no fall trend. Increasingly, righteously bad behavior becomes a part of our everyday routine. Thinking, talking, making - these things are insufficient in a society that co-opts any and everything except that which attacks directly.

There is no reason to be scared. You, too, can fight.

Dressed to kill,
The New Orleans Political Fashion Police

 

[xes]

In this video, the military grab some guy up, and chuck him in an unmarked car.


At the end of that video, you see a guy with a red bandana over his face.
Here he is being arrested.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

posted by 8den
In short. No. One. Has. Shown. That. Microwave. Weapons. Are. In. Use. In. Pittisburgh. It's. Not. My. Job. To. Show. That. They're. Not. There.

Oh they are there ok... that much a dribbling fool can demonstrate....

or maybe they're not and everyone else is wrong but the mighty 8den...

playing the ball bro... i dont cheapen myself by idle threats etc.. I was merely implying for the hard of thinking, that if you want to post insults PM me directly and lets try and let this thread flow somehow.... after all you and your 'friends' are G8, G20 veterans?

Maybe if you were really at any of these protests you might understand how hard it was for those of us who were there seattle et al... to get the truth out?

I will only be only be replying to you if you are on topic.... the ball... the ball... I thought you had Indy.ie experience lol

Police Attack Crowds Disappear Journalists in Pittsburgh
by RepublicMediaTV

Sam Ettaro on the streets of Pittsburgh covering the G-20 Protests for RepublicMedia.TV. The police had microwave weapons and sound cannons deployed. (NOTE: In the intro, Ettaro mistakenly refers to the sound weapon being pointed at the crowed as a microwave weapon.)

source Pacific Free Press

Vic Livingstones opinions....

The benign nomenclature notwithstanding, these powerful microwave weapons can stun, injure, induce illness, and, depending on exposure levels, kill. Victims say the weapons are being used on the "targets" to induce symptoms of mental illness and cognitive impairment -- in a campaign to have them declared mentally ill and thus "neutralized."

source: Vic Livingston Columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener; former reporter, Phila. Fox 29 News; New York Daily News; Philadelphia Bulletin, St. Petersburg (FL) Times.From Indymedia Pittsburgh

Police use sound weapons at G-20 in Pittsburgh. They don't seem to be very effective. Things are going to get interesting if they decide to bring out the Silent Guardian microwave weapons.

Wouldnt it be horrible oh 8den if you may perchance be wrong?
would you be man enough to apologise?

 

[xes]

Riot police trap students observing the protest and tear gas the fuck out of them.

 

[8den]

Oh they are there ok... that much a dribbling fool can demonstrate....

or maybe they're not and everyone else is wrong but the mighty 8den...

playing the ball bro... i dont cheapen myself by idle threats etc.. I was merely implying for the hard of thinking, that if you want to post insults PM me directly and lets try and let this thread flow somehow.... after all you and your 'friends' are G8, G20 veterans?

Maybe if you were really at any of these protests you might understand how hard it was for those of us who were there seattle et al... to get the truth out?

More to the point, rumours lies and bullshit spread like wild fire at demos and riots, so you tend to refine your bullshit o meter.

I will only be only be replying to you if you are on topic.... the ball... the ball... I thought you had Indy.ie experience lol

So now it's "DUM DUM DUM" they "may" have microwave weapons that they "may" deploy. And taffy has the temerity to suggest I'm the one shifting the goalposts.

Wouldnt it be horrible oh 8den if you may perchance be wrong?
would you be man enough to apologise?

More to the point if we discover that gasp shock horror they didn't use microwave weapons will any of you delusional wankers admit you were wrong?

 

[xes]

Could a mod please knock off the "live stream from the" off the title please, as that's not relevent any more.

 

[xes]

Microwave weapons being tested by the military.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58qnm_army-demo-microwave-weapons_news

 

[AKA pseudonym]

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard of microwave weapons being used at demos and they've all come to nothing.
.

oops: Honduran Coup Regime Mocks UN Security Council with Embassy Attacks

double oops: IACHR URGES HONDURAS TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PERSONS INSIDE THE EMBASSY OF BRAZIL
http://www.cidh.oas.org/Comunicados/English/2009/68-09eng.htm

8den, apologies will be accepted in any contrite manner that you may wish to give....

u just got pwned

whats the word.... priceless lol

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

oops: Honduran Coup Regime Mocks UN Security Council with Embassy Attacks

double oops: IACHR URGES HONDURAS TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PERSONS INSIDE THE EMBASSY OF BRAZIL
http://www.cidh.oas.org/Comunicados/English/2009/68-09eng.htm

8den, apologies will be accepted in any contrite manner that you may wish to give....

u just got pwned

whats the word.... priceless lol

The muppet got pwned when s/he said I couldnt prove they even existed. It took me a few seconds to find a detailed New Scientist article about what already exists and what is being developed.

There is no engaging with someone who can't check such basic facts and then refuses to aknowledge how utterly utterly wrong they were.

 

[8den]

oops: Honduran Coup Regime Mocks UN Security Council with Embassy Attacks

double oops: IACHR URGES HONDURAS TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PERSONS INSIDE THE EMBASSY OF BRAZIL
http://www.cidh.oas.org/Comunicados/English/2009/68-09eng.htm

8den, apologies will be accepted in any contrite manner that you may wish to give....

u just got pwned

whats the word.... priceless lol

I'm sorry. My geography is just awful. But last I checked Honduras isn't in Pennsylvania is it? No. WHERES YOUR PROOF THAT THEY'RE USING MICROWAVE WEAPONS AT THE G20 IN PITTISBURGH.

Secondly and I hate to burst the bubble of high fives between yourself and your gurning sidekick, but.

Additionally, around noon today, President Zelaya called a press conference inside the embassy, during which a medical doctor testified that two of the people staying inside the embassy displayed symptoms of bleeding from the nose or the stomach, and that a larger number of them displayed symptoms of nausea, throat and sinus irritation and related problems that can be caused by neuro-toxic gases used in chemical warfare

And

Narco News and its team of technical engineers and counter-surveillance consultants has identified the apparatus as the LRAD-X Remote Long Range Acoustic Device, manufactured by the American Technologies Corporation.

So in Honduras they're using sonic weapons, and chemical warfare.

If I have this clear, a different government on a different continent, is using a completely different weapon. And thats your proof of microwave weapons being deployed in Pittsburgh.

Thats pathetic.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

All right.

* Microwave crowd control weapons absolutely do exist and not just in theoretical form - they've been in arms fairs for instance. There was some article in the Sunday Times I think were a journalist put his hand briefly in the beam, he said it was the worst pain he could possibly imagine.
* You'd know if that sort of microwave weapon was around in Pittsburgh because there would be people saying "I suddenly felt the worse pain I could possibly imagine for no apparent reason", which there don't seem to be as yet, so I don't think they are using them. I think it would be pretty appalling PR compared to more traditional methods as well.
* Microwave weapons don't cause symptoms of mental illness. That's the CIA mind control lasers and the chemtrails that do that.

* LRAD units have been deployed in the US at political protests for years. I first saw pictures of one at the Republican party conference in NYC.
* Has LRAD been used here? Hard to say - those videos I think show conventional sonic weapons being used i.e. an unbearable sound being played through massive fuck-off amps and speakers. It would be hard to catch an LRAD being used on video specifically because it's localised, and if you're in an empty area at night, why *not* just play horrible noises to everyone around? Much easier to make sure you're getting everyone. Is it possible that LRAD has been used? Sure, why not, it works and they have them, I've just not heard of any specific instances.

 

[paolo]

At Climate Camp there were was a rumour going around about long range listening devices on the cherry picker. So I took a big tele lens and photographed the device in question, then posted up here. The collective view was that it was a transmitter back to HQ, i.e. the rumour was false.

Similarly, I'm not yet convinced about microwave in Pittsburgh. No visible sign of any device, and - as FM points out - no signs of any effects. Whilst I'll stay out of the mud slinging, 8den is right in saying that these rumours do whip around. To me, the story being repeated doesn't increase it's credibility. No more than lots of people saying god exists means 'he' exists.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

At Climate Camp there were was a rumour going around about long range listening devices on the cherry picker. So I took a big tele lens and photographed the device in question, then posted up here. The collective view was that it was a transmitter back to HQ, i.e. the rumour was false.

Similarly, I'm not yet convinced about microwave in Pittsburgh. No visible sign of any device, and - as FM points out - no signs of any effects. Whilst I'll stay out of the mud slinging, 8den is right in saying that these rumours do whip around. To me, the story being repeated doesn't increase it's credibility. No more than lots of people saying god exists means 'he' exists.

CC Legal team told me the rumours had been thoroughly looked into from all angles and were inded false.

This has no bearing on the fact that 8den has been utter tit on this thread. He wasnt just arguing that Microwave weapons weren't around or used at Pittsburgh. He actually said we couldnt prove they exist. Then backtracked without blinking, swearing like an adolescent fool as he went

I agree with FM that they probably werent used from lack of the anecdotal evidence we might expect. It may come throuhg though and I wouldnt be so sarky about their possible effects on human health as FM.

It looks like sound weapons certainly were used. I imagine that for a huge event like a G20 the full arsenal of public order technology that can be available is made available.

Cindy Sheehan may have been wrong in identifying them, it doesnt mean they werent there and she might well have been right. She could well know her shit to be fair.

 

[paolo]

It looks like sound weapons certainly were used.

"looks like"

You can hear them in the videos and you can see operator(s) on top of the Swat vehicle(s) directing a device at the same time as the sound is heard. High pitched warble.

The noise on the video is the same sound as used in some alarm systems I've tripped. It's an irritant noise, but not anything visceral.

Unless you mean there was something other than can be heard on the videos?

 

[8den]

It looks like sound weapons certainly were used. I imagine that for a huge event like a G20 the full arsenal of public order technology that can be available is made available.

Cindy Sheehan may have been wrong in identifying them, it doesnt mean they werent there and she might well have been right. She could well know her shit to be fair.

Ah so they could maybe have been there, or not, or something. And you think I backpeddle?


My issue is that what Alex Jones and you see as microwave weapons you think they can do everything from drive people crazy to melt brains. In your mind they're like this awesome all powerful death ray. Apparently Police have had them since before Genoa, it's just we y'know never see actual evidence of their use.

Now you're claiming maybe they totally like had them, they just didn't bother to use them. It's idiotic hysteria.

 

[8den]

The muppet got pwned when s/he said I couldnt prove they even existed. It took me a few seconds to find a detailed New Scientist article about what already exists and what is being developed.

There is no engaging with someone who can't check such basic facts and then refuses to aknowledge how utterly utterly wrong they were.

Lets actually look at the 2005 test. Note test. Not in use and ready to be deployed.

In 2005.

The experimenters banned glasses and contact lenses to prevent possible eye damage to the subjects, and in the second and third tests removed any metallic objects such as coins and keys to stop hot spots being created on the skin. They also checked the volunteers' clothes for certain seams, buttons and zips which might also cause hot spots.

So it's an effective weapon but you probably wouldn't want to point it at people wearing glasses. Or with coins in their pockets. But hey thats okay, they're using them on anti capitalists, and they never carry cash.

Moving on

But Neil Davison, co-ordinator of the non-lethal weapons research project at the University of Bradford in the UK, says controlling the amount of radiation received may not be that simple. "How do you ensure that the dose doesn't cross the threshold for permanent damage?" he asks. "What happens if someone in a crowd is unable, for whatever reason, to move away from the beam? Does the weapon cut out to prevent overexposure?"

So it's not without it's kinks at the moment now is it.

Now I've also found a 2009 New Scientist Article.

The device is an extension of its controversial Active Denial System, which uses microwaves to heat the surface of the skin, creating a painful sensation without burning that strongly motivates the target to flee. The ADS was unveiled in 2001, but it has not been deployed owing to legal issues and safety fears.

The ADS has been dogged by controversy. Jürgen Altmann, a physicist at Dortmund University in Germany, showed that the microwave beams can cause serious burns at levels not far above those required to repel people. This was verified when a US airman was hospitalised with second-degree burns during testing in April 2007.

In a recent cost-benefit analysis, the US Government Accountability Office rated the ADS worst out of eight non-lethal weapons currently in development.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327185.600-microwave-weapon-will-rain-pain-from-the-sky.html

So when I call it a mythical microwave weapon. It's Mythical because everyone (By everyone I mean, Jones, Sheehan, and idiots like you two) keeps saying they're using them or about to use them at a demo, and they NEVER FUCKING DO.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Ah so they could maybe have been there, or not, or something. And you think I backpeddle?


My issue is that what Alex Jones and you see as microwave weapons you think they can do everything from drive people crazy to melt brains. . Apparently Police have had them since before Genoa, it's just we y'know never see actual evidence of their use.

Now you're claiming maybe they totally like had them, they just didn't bother to use them. It's idiotic hysteria.

Whatever, muppet. I said someone said they were there, not that they were there or used. Certainly not that they melt brains (another one for the strawman count). You know all this full well if you can read. You can pretend otherwise in your clearly addled mind. Congrats for not swearing though.

In your mind they're like this awesome all powerful death ray


What are next weeks lotto numbers psychic boy?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

"looks like"

You can hear them in the videos and you can see operator(s) on top of the Swat vehicle(s) directing a device at the same time as the sound is heard. High pitched warble.

The noise on the video is the same sound as used in some alarm systems I've tripped. It's an irritant noise, but not anything visceral.

Unless you mean there was something other than can be heard on the videos?

Of course they totally were, I was being conservative for the sake of the troll. I don't really know why.

 

[8den]

Whatever, muppet. I said someone said they were there, not that they were there or used. Certainly not that they melt brains (another one for the strawman count). You know all this full well if you can read. You can pretend otherwise in your clearly addled mind. Congrats for not swearing though.

In your mind they're like this awesome all powerful death ray


What are next weeks lotto numbers psychic boy?

I'm finding this doomed attempt by you to make it look like you hysterical reporting about microwave weapons is in any way relevant, almost endearing at this point.

Microwave weapons haven't been deployed even in Iraq, to suggest a non cost effective, dangerous, potentially lethal weapon is sitting on the substitute bench at a demo is pure fantasy. Now grow up.

 

[8den]

Of course they totally were, I was being conservative for the sake of the troll. I don't really know why.

Yeah conservative. You quote bullshit from infowars a cite you admit is suspect, but you're "being conservative".

Does the cognitive dissoance give you a headache?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Sorry: are you the guy who said we couldnt prove microwave weapons existed? Oh yeah. that guy.

You quote bullshit from infowars a cite you admit is suspect

I quoted Cindy Sheehan who happened to be on infowars when she said it. If your problem is with the source it is with her. But we've been through that lots of times. I think it's the human condition to suffer from a bit of cognitive dissonance myself, but I'm relieved that I dont wrongly tell people what they think or make ludicrously stupid statements that can be trashed in seconds, then instead of aknowledging a simple mistake just shifting the goal posts instead.

That's a couple of posts without swearing though. Doesn't hurt does it? And it does improve how you come across. Now it's just vacuous sarcasm rather than juvenile vacuous sarcasm.

 

[8den]

Sorry: are you the guy who said we couldnt prove microwave weapons existed? Oh yeah. that guy.

You quote bullshit from infowars a cite you admit is suspect

I quoted Cindy Sheehan who happened to be on infowars when she said it. If your problem is with the source it is with her. But we've been through that lots of times. I think it's the human condition to suffer from a bit of cognitive dissonance myself, but I'm relieved that I dont wrongly tell people what they think or make ludicrously stupid statements that can be trashed in seconds, then instead of aknowledging a simple mistake just shifting the goal posts instead.

That's a couple of posts without swearing though. Doesn't hurt does it? And it does improve how you come across. Now it's just vacuous sarcasm rather than juvenile vacuous sarcasm.

Oh taffy....ruffles your hair....one day you'll be right about about your evil NWO and their magical evil weapons, maybe.

I know it's oh so hard to be exposed as a delusional idiot so frequently, and you need to claw out some imaginary victory every once in a while, but claiming that a weapon thats never been deployed outside of a testing ground could maybe have been used or even brought out to demo, isn't the way to go about it.

Bless your cotton socks for trying though. You complete fucking tard. And hey way to go trying to claim the moral highground about the swearing. Personally I think citing infowars as a source is more offensive than swearing. I mean hey I never accused members of the FDNY of being complicit in the murder of their colleagues on 911. Now thats obscene, and thats whats still up on the infowars site. A couple of colourful pieces of language pales in comparison to that. Frankly any right thinking decent human being would consider linking to a deceitful lying hate monger like Jones deeply offensive, but I do declare how sensitive you are to mean words and thats really the more serious issue here.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

claiming that a weapon thats never been deployed outside of a testing ground could maybe have been used or even brought out to demo, isn't the way to go about it.

All tirades aside ; That's actually the point - there isnt especially a reason to think it wouldnt be available to the police / military and all I did was quote someone as having said they'd seen one.

Sheehan was the source - not infowars so your anti alex jones rant doesnt count for too much. Sheehan said it (I think you slagged her off for it which isnt exactly tasteful either)

G20s are about as big as it gets in terms of security operations. you didn't even think the existence of this stuff could be proved till yesterday when I pointed you in the direction of the famous conspiracy journal that is New Scientist. Such blatant ignorance renders you very ill qualified to comment on the topic. One could even call you a "fucking tard" in the context.