Live and let Die

[8den]

Goldeneye

Evil Russian capitalists and betrayed Russian royalty. The bad guys in "The world is not enough" are a mixture of evil oil industrialists and insane anarchists.

I wasn't referring to bond I was referring to action movies in general.

Match the baddies with the decade

70s, 80s, 90s, 00s,

Communists.

Insane rich capitalist intent on world domination.

Terrorists only interested in financial gain.

Foreigner Drug Dealers (Can be from Latin America but don't necessarily have to be)

Arabic type terrorists.

 

[joevsimp]

Goldeneye

top notch, best Non-Connery imho, even if the Ruskies are a bit cliché

I love the early Moore Bonds - for my money they're by far the best Bonds.

LALD is one of the better of a bad bunch tbf, apart from the aforementioned issues

 

[8den]

I love the early Moore Bonds - for my money they're by far the best Bonds.

No one has ever been so wrong before on the internet.

 

[gsv]

interestingly, the 2nd and 3rd books, that are mostly terrible (infact, worse than Casino Royale) suppose they made them for the purposes of bandwaggoning and fitted them in, although Moonraker begs the question of why they didn't just write one from scratch, "Drax is bad m'kay" is about the only common denominator

1. I don't understand your post.

2. You think Casino Royale sucks? You think You Only Live Twice isn't the most appalling Bond tosh that Flemming wrote? You are a man of constant sorrow.

3. Yeah, Moonraker and Moonraker don't have an awful lot in common do they?

4.. I don't understand your post.

GS(v)

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm going to watch quantum of solace in the hope that we have more realistic depictions of state assassins

 

[8den]

1. I don't understand your post.

2. You think Casino Royale sucks? You think You Only Live Twice isn't the most appalling Bond tosh that Flemming wrote? You are a man of constant sorrow.

3. Yeah, Moonraker and Moonraker don't have an awful lot in common do they?

4.. I don't understand your post.

GS(v)

Moonraker was a Flemming novel, that bears next to no bearing on the Roger Moore Stars Wars shitstorm that was turned into a movie.

 

[joevsimp]

1. I don't understand your post.

2. You think Casino Royale sucks? You think You Only Live Twice isn't the most appalling Bond tosh that Flemming wrote? You are a man of constant sorrow.

3. Yeah, Moonraker and Moonraker don't have an awful lot in common do they?

4.. I don't understand your post.

GS(v)

1. they are two of the earliest books in the series, but were among the last of the Fleming books to be filmed, and just happened to coincide with Blaxploitation/SciFi bandwaggon-jumping

2. Casino Royale is ace, I meant that the next two books should have been better than it but were utter gash, especially Live and Let die. not that I ever got as far as YOLT

3. Moonraker the film would have been far better if they'd made it Cold Warie and made Drax a Russian sleeper/double agent (maybe a German communist) and left most of the plot intact

4. I didn't write it very well to be true, but bandwaggoning should be a word

 

[gsv]

Bandwaggoning is an ace word and I thak you for coining it! You're mistaken about those books just happening to coincide with variousstuffsploitation though. The Spy Who Loved Me (wow - that diverges from the novel every bit as much as Moonraker!) was going to be followed by For Your Eyes Only intul they decided to slap a Star Wars derivative in there (wiki).

As it happens I quite like those two novels. Love the warehouse shoot-out in LALD. Moonraker is daft and a bit crap but plain gritty.

Spoiler: Moonraker novel

Fantastic bit where his really old-schoool car gets trashed (with him in it) by a giant roll of paper.

GS(v)

 

[joevsimp]

there may have been a missing , or in point 2

 

[Awesome Wells]

people moaning about this film being racist? i've heard it all now on this site.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

uuuummm am I being overly PC or is this Bond offering staggeringly racist?

Good song, though, and how can you hate sheriff J W Pepper?

And the black guy: 'In time, Solitaire, I would have brought you along'.

Referring to the deflowering of her virginity. Meanwhile, she's a zero with the tarot cards now.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

teh evil black voodoo heroin conspiracy

That reminds me: the people I work with think I'm Baron Samedi. They even made a superimposed picture.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I like how he bones the black CIA girl who then dies but goes on mad missions to save the white girl he has boned

More even treatment of blacks in Dr. No.

The blacks are good. It's the Chinese who are bad.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

. I thought they'd missed the 'innocent white girl corrupted' one but then I realised that was Solitaire..

What are you talking about?

Bond fucks her first!

 

[DotCommunist]

What are you talking about?

Bond fucks her first!

but she was already the 'property' of them evil black people ennit

 

[The Octagon]

I let it off because of the fucking awesome spinning bridge jump stunt that they did for real

And for me, Goldeneye is the best Bond film (including the Connery ones, which just have odd good moments).

 

[gsv]

I let it off because of the fucking awesome spinning bridge jump stunt that they did for real

Try The Man With The Golden Gun
Octagon, you can talk about James Bond with the big boys when you're out of short trousers

GS(v)

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Anyway, Spy Who Loved Me is the ultimate Bond

 

[The Octagon]

Try The Man With The Golden Gun
Octagon, you can talk about James Bond with the big boys when you're out of short trousers

GS(v)

D'oh

Ok, in which case only the theme song redeems it.

And I stand by my statement regarding the quality of Goldeneye, I've seen all the Bond films (and read a couple of the books) and it's exactly the right balance of humour / action / viciousness.

Casino Royale (although quality) was just a Bourne film by any other name.

And the best bit of Goldfinger is the golf game.

/putting world to rights.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

but she was already the 'property' of them evil black people ennit

Yeah, but the 'corruption', comes from sexual violation, and it's Bond takes care of that.

 

[mentalchik]

Always good to see Yaphet Kotto, he is a very fine actor

I concur !

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I concur !

His acting is especially expansive in the death scene, where he swells up and explodes.

 

[nightowl]

and when he got his head splattered in alien