Little black girl writes a poem

[slaar]

Incidentally slavery is still very common in Niger and Mauritania. Not many white nationalists there.

 

[Streathamite]

The British Empire, about the strongest white nation in relative terms yet, banned slavery 70 years before Americans themselves banned it.

err...HOW MANY years?

 

[In Bloom]

Everything else aside - "Made to watch as they changed the paradigm of our village" is a crappy line and doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't believe white nationalism was the motivating factor for slavery anyway. It was profit, having the power to actually take slaves, and not giving a shit about other people mostly. After all various North-African and Arab countries at the time had slave trades as well. Not to mention slavery being common in many places throughout history.

Interestingly the mangled evolutionary concept of "blacks are a lesser race" only really seems to have appeared when people started questioning the morality of slavery. It seems to have been an attempt to offer a rational defence in order to support slavery and appease some guilt.
Before then there did not seem to be such a sense of enslaved races being inferior, just that they were enslaved.
Going back a bit too far to the Romans and Greeks, they generally seemed to considered other races as equal, some even to be admired. But it was a case of "we beat you, you lost, so your a slave now".

The idea that other races are inferior has existed for centuries, if not millenia. I don't know where you're getting any of that from.

 

[maes]

Going back a bit too far to the Romans and Greeks, they generally seemed to considered other races as equal, some even to be admired. But it was a case of "we beat you, you lost, so your a slave now".

Not true. Read aristotle & plato on the subject - some people are born far superior to others, ie. philosopher kings. Aristotle justifies slavery in that slaves are not fully human.

 

[boskysquelch]

Well, there was that thing were he played a major role in the enslavement, brutalisation and eventual genocide of an entire aboriginal people.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

here's someone elses opinion>>> http://www1.minn.net/~keithp/destruct.htm

a quick scan and I see nothing I haven't seen, read, learnt before.

And what the fuck has Columbus got to do with Black America?...talk about squash square beg into round holes. ...and if Nelson Mandela had been more like Stalin the whole of Africa would have been different today?YEAH RIGHT!!!

This WHOLE thread is JC2 getting YOU to think he's_the_man...but he's NOT..he's more clever than that...note his complete and utter lack of responses except for swipe at a woman for questioning him?...JC2 is a prick!

 

[Jorum]

The idea that other races are inferior has existed for centuries, if not millenia. I don't know where you're getting any of that from.

To an extent yes your right.
But there is an arguement to be made that racism in its "modern" incarnations mainly grew in last couple of centuries to justify colonialism, growing empires, and a growth in anything goes "they have no rights" slavery.

 

[nino_savatte]

So where's Johnny?

 

[spring-peeper]

So where's Johnny?

Let's see - it's 3:30 am in Vancouver right now - my guess is asleep

 

[trashpony]

So where's Johnny?

hiding in shame and embarrassment? or is that too much to hope for?

 

[Jorum]

Not true. Read aristotle & plato on the subject - some people are born far superior to others, ie. philosopher kings. Aristotle justifies slavery in that slaves are not fully human.

Fair enough. But other greek philisophers argued that slavery was "through convention" and convinience and not a natural state.(Aristotle also supported this argument to an extent). Anyway I was never impressed by Aristotle. He believed that something twice as heavy fell twice as fast, he obviously never even tested the idea.

 

[In Bloom]

To an extent yes your right.
But there is an arguement to be made that racism in its "modern" incarnations mainly grew in last couple of centuries to justify colonialism, growing empires, and a growth in anything goes "they have no rights" slavery.

Well yes, modern incarnations of racism have emerged in response to modern situations that's a bit tautologous, surely?

 

[nino_savatte]

Let's see - it's 3:30 am in Vancouver right now - my guess is asleep

Ho ho, very funny...he disappeared (his last post on this thread was 0047) after it became clear he put his foot in it.

You understand what a rhetorical question is - right?

 

[nino_savatte]

hiding in shame and embarrassment? or is that too much to hope for?

It's too much to hope for, I fear. He'll pop up again with a thread titled "Mahmoud Abbas has AIDS" or something like it.

 

[girasol]

She was clearly posessed by a spirit, it's obvious!

He body was merely used as channel by a higher force.

honest. it happens all the time.

Why does a 7 year old know about bondage? That's what i want to know!!! kinky!

 

[trashpony]

She was clearly posessed by a spirit, it's obvious!

He body was merely used as channel by a higher force.

honest. it happens all the time.

Why does a 7 year old know about bondage? That's what i want to know!!! kinky!

 

[spring-peeper]

Here is some stuff on the child from googles cache. Never linked to a cache before, so I'm not sure if the links work.

Local poets and open mic opportunities comprised the final portion of the event where radio personality Imhotep Gary Byrd hosted the performances. The evening’s highlight was Autumn Ashante, a five-year old girl who recited a six-minute Toni Morrison piece that astonished the audience.

source

STATED COUNCIL MEETING - NEW YORK CITY 2003
Whereas: Autum Ashante, under the tutelage of her proud father, Brother Ashante, has been received as a rising star in the African-American community; and while she displays a passion for spoken word, Autum also aspires to become a school teacher; and Autum enjoys bike riding, soccer, swimming, movies and dance; and
Whereas: Autumn Ashante continues to inspire her peers, as well as adults throughout the community, while also demonstrating the power of a father's love, the importance of education and the limitless boundaries of the human mind; now, therefore
Be It Known: That the Council of the City of New York honors AUTUM ASHANTE.

Signed this 15th day of December in the year Two Thousand and Three, Gifford Miller, Speaker for the Entire Council; Yvette D. Clarke, Council Member 40th District, Brooklyn.

SPEAKER MILLER: Autum, we're honored to have you here with us. We'd love it if you'd say a few words.

AUTUM: Thank you. I'm going to do one poem. First I'm going to do it in Swahili. (In Swahili.) Now I'm going to do it in Arabic. (In Arabic.) I'm going to do it in English.

Masterpieces.

Asking all to be the masterpiece
where the masterpiece like wearing a coat,
I want all to know that with love, all will grow;

The masterpiece like this piece of
African fabric wrapped around me,
unity is positivity;
positivity is love;
love is lifeforce energy;
so release it and you will all fly like doves.

Where the masterpiece has certain knowledge,
like a comfortable pair of shoes,
tell all our people the good news;
Divine energy exist in everybody,
everything and everywhere,
in the earth, water, fire and air;

Divine energy exists in everybody,
everything and everywhere, in the earth, water, fire and air;
in the flowers, trees and musical beats,
in gardens, at beaches, in walking and dancing,
where the master of peace like a peacock wears its feathers,
like a giraffe wears its long neck,
like a Queen wears her coat,
Masterpieces like John Beggers, Elizabeth Katz and Lois Malloy,
be the masterpiece of your own destiny;
grab each other's hands in real unity.

I am a masterpiece for all to see;
you are a masterpiece for all to see;
I am a masterpiece for all to see;
you are a masterpiece for all to see
- peace, love and light.

SPEAKER MILLER: Wow. No one is following that. Thank you all. Thank you.

source

 

[frogwoman]

i dont think she wrote this poem, she is seven for fuck's sake. i could not have written something like that at that age, i liked writing stories and i cared about animal rights, most kids that age are not interested in political concepts as advanced as what she is describing, they simply want to be kids. and the whole thing looks fucking dodgy to me. it's sick to use a little girl to further a political agenda regardless of whether one agrees with the view that is being promoted or not.

i would not be at all surprised if it was a hoax or a propaganda stunt by people with a vested interest in stirring controversy and hatred between racial groups either.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Not true. Read aristotle & plato on the subject - some people are born far superior to others, ie. philosopher kings. Aristotle justifies slavery in that slaves are not fully human.

Yes, but there's no racial element to that view.

 

[spring-peeper]

i dont think she wrote this poem, she is seven for fuck's sake. i could not have written something like that at that age, i liked writing stories and i cared about animal rights, most kids that age are not interested in political concepts as advanced as what she is describing, they simply want to be kids. and the whole thing looks fucking dodgy to me. it's sick to use a little girl to further a political agenda regardless of whether one agrees with the view that is being promoted or not.

i would not be at all surprised if it was a hoax or a propaganda stunt by people with a vested interest in stirring controversy and hatred between racial groups either.

Well, the hoax was good enough to fool the council of New York City back in 2003.

Since they have seen and heard this child, I'll rate their opinions higher than a group of British people on the internet.

 

[Jorum]

I think she may have written this poem with help of a dictionary and people telling her who morgan was. To be honest I don't think it's much good aethestically, and using words like paradigm and talking about morgan doesn't make it clever or insightful.

Also it just doesn't make any sense as an attack on white nationalism (how are slavery, columbus, morgan and darwin relevant )

If it wasn't for it's political/slavery theme it wouldn't get a second mention.

It's quite impressive for a 7 year old to tackle this kind of issue (although I get feeling her intersts are probably directed by others), and it's ambitious for that age, but that doesn't make it great. Once she gets older will probably be a lot better (the use of "mature" sophisticated phrases seems for effect only and makes it seem immature)

 

[dormouse]

'Little black girl writes a poem'... I thought the thread title was a dig at the obvious manipulativeness of it all; I'm disappointed to see the likes of JC2 falling for it.

P.S If something contains the word 'paradigm' it is not poetry...

 

[nino_savatte]

I think she may have written this poem with help of a dictionary and people telling her who morgan was. To be honest I don't think it's much good aethestically, and using words like paradigm and talking about morgan doesn't make it clever or insightful.

Also it just doesn't make any sense as an attack on white nationalism (how are slavery, columbus, morgan and darwin relevant )

If it wasn't for it's political/slavery theme it wouldn't get a second mention.

It's quite impressive for a 7 year old to tackle this kind of issue (although I get feeling her intersts are probably directed by others), and it's ambitious for that age, but that doesn't make it great. Once she gets older will probably be a lot better (the use of "mature" sophisticated phrases seems for effect only and makes it seem immature)

The phrase "pushy parents" springs to mind.

 

[spring-peeper]

The phrase "pushy parents" springs to mind.

Over-indulgent works too.

I thought the poems were childish nonsense, btw.

 

[boskysquelch]

Well, the hoax was good enough to fool the council of New York City back in 2003.

Since they have seen and heard this child, I'll rate their opinions higher than a group of British people on the internet.

did you read the rest of the tome on that cache...funny/curious that I can find NO other reference on The Net to it?<<<via Google of course.

...as for ratings???? if you rate the Council of New York..as appointed by God(see rest of meeting minutes) and their concerns of lead paint poisoning et al...then why do you bother with giving Urban your POV? because you obviously have little respect for "a group of British people on the internet...</rant>

...oh whaddeva...you dig your hole...hopefully when it's deep enough you and Johnny won't be audible anymore.


<rant>But the point from this lesser Britain is that JC2 started this Thread to get away from other issues he was tripped up on and YOU have fallen into his trap(at least!)...other lesser Britains haven't...but then some of Us lesser Britains don't believe in The Great I Am North Americas...and that IMO is what sticks in YOUR throat....and IMO most Northern Americans I have known or loved ..the Righteous can be wrong...</rant again!>

...btw you should check out some of the "masterpieces"(sic) by "kids|" that are being used to call others to Jehad..I suspect they have got to and "educated" a lot more people that a 6 year old talking to a Council Meeting..


BAH!


btw spring-peeper I have quite often observed that whenever JC2 gets into a corner you seem to appear and show yourelf to be an ally of sorts...curious.

But hey...I'm just one of a group of British people on the Internet who opinion you rate more lowly than the Council of New York...

 

[Jorum]

The phrase "pushy parents" springs to mind.

yep, also "media manipulation" and "lets get her to write about stuff she cannot possibly have had time to study and understand in any depth" but I was being generous.
Assuming she is exceptionally bright she may have started reading seriously at four maybe?
Thats three years to absorb and understand history, politics, colonialism, slavery, nationalism and the human condition in general. On top of actual mundane growing up stuff.

 

[nino_savatte]

yep, also "media manipulation" and "lets get her to write about stuff she cannot possibly have had time to study and understand in any depth" but I was being generous.
Assuming she is exceptionally bright she may have started reading seriously at four maybe?
Thats three years to absorb and understand history, politics, colonialism, slavery, nationalism and the human condition in general. On top of actual mundane growing up stuff.

For sure, this 7 year-old looks as though she's never payed hopscotch in her short life. This is the sort of thing the media loves to lap up...and they aren't the only ones either. I reckon this is playing well to rabid right wingers across the country.

It's funny how a search on Google hasn't turned up anything though.

 

[spring-peeper]

For sure, this 7 year-old looks as though she's never payed hopscotch in her short life. This is the sort of thing the media loves to lap up...and they aren't the only ones either. I reckon this is playing well to rabid right wingers across the country.

It's funny how a search on Google hasn't turned up anything though.

That's how I found the links at the top of the page. The stuff is cached (link doesn't work, but google remembers all).

Back to the pushy parents, one time I let my kid (seven at the time), approach council with an idea. My kid got national coverage.

One time I tried to see how many weeks in a row that I could get my name in the first three pages of the newspaper. (It was 6 btw).

If you know how the system works, you can do almost anything.

 

[slaar]

err...HOW MANY years?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/wilberforce_william.shtml

My mistake, slave trading was abolished in 1807, slavery not until 1833 across the empire, so 30 years rather than 70.

 

[nino_savatte]

That's how I found the links at the top of the page. The stuff is cached (link doesn't work, but google remembers all).

Back to the pushy parents, one time I let my kid (seven at the time), approach council with an idea. My kid got national coverage.

One time I tried to see how many weeks in a row that I could get my name in the first three pages of the newspaper. (It was 6 btw).

If you know how the system works, you can do almost anything.

I'm not sure what you're saying here as you don't appear to have a position on this (or at least in this post you haven't).

When I was talking about a search of Google, I was referring to news articles. Perhaps I should have been clearer - non?

 

[spring-peeper]

I'm not sure what you're saying here as you don't appear to have a position on this (or at least in this post you haven't).

When I was talking about a search of Google, I was referring to news articles. Perhaps I should have been clearer - non?

There seemed to be some doubt about whether or not this child was for real. I did my own research, and yes - the child is for real.

Do I think that her poems are "all-that" (american phrase)? No - I think that they are terrible.

Do I think that this is a case of proud parents using the system to promote their kid? Yes.

Do I think that this is one of JC's wind-ups? Yes. Actually, I quite enjoy it when he posts stuff like this. I enjoy playing with google - you should see some of the places I end up in. I also enjoy watching the reaction from people, who really should know better imo, jump on the trash-johnny bandwagon.

Anything else?