List of those for whom Welfare Reform and cuts were too much to bear

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Frankie Jack, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. Happy Larry

    Happy Larry Banned Banned

    How do you know? The total amount of money that is lost to fraud is completely unknown. All we know is how much has been found to be fraudulent.
  2. existentialist

    existentialist FiVe ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    If you want to have a debate about it, take it to a different thread. Not this one.
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  3. Happy Larry

    Happy Larry Banned Banned

    Whilst I feel deeply sorry for your loss, you cannot blame the DWP. The people who work for the DWP are generally very sympathetic to those they come into contact with. I know a number of people who have found them to be both helpful and supportive.
  4. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    You've been asked to take this elsewhere, please do so. Post reported.
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  5. existentialist

    existentialist FiVe ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    This is not a discussion thread.
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  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Your opinion is worth nothing, as it's prejudice masquerading as opinion. If you had even a small clue what you were talking about, you'd know that you're chatting shit.

    Now fuck off back under your bridge, you worm-cocked twat.
  7. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Including HB, £17 billion last year.
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  8. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Twat. The total amount of money lost to fraud and error is well-known.

    Unless you're implying that all claimants are suspect, which would make you an ignorant, know-nothing cunt of the first water.
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  9. Happy Larry

    Happy Larry Banned Banned

    What a silly and ignorant claim to make. The DWP is uncovering previously unknown cases of fraud on a daily basis.
  10. existentialist

    existentialist FiVe ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    Fuck. Off.
  11. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Read the title of this thread ffs!

    Why are you on this thread? Please take your inappropriate discussion about fraud to another thread. If you continue to post this shit on this thread you will prove yourself an absolute trolling cunt.
  12. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    And at the end of every year, those cases are quantified, added together, and represented as an annualised figure, you utter cretin.
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  13. Happy Larry

    Happy Larry Banned Banned

    You really don't get it, do you grasshopper?

    Let me explain it as simply as I possibly can : Of course the discovered cases can be quantified. Those cases of fraud that have not been discovered cannot be quantified. We can only make a thumb suck guess as to how many cases go undiscovered.
  14. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    And you're basing your censure of benefits on your unquantified preconceptions of how much fraud might be going on. You might as well base a case for your wife committing adultery on how many other people she might be banging behind your back, "grasshopper".
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  15. Happy Larry

    Happy Larry Banned Banned

    Er, no grasshopper. You are building a straw man very poorly. I have no preconception at all. I have repeatedly said that it cannot be quantified, other than by thumb suck.
  16. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    Enough, please leave the thread for those who wish to use it for the purpose that it was created.
  17. existentialist

    existentialist FiVe ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    ViolentPanda, the village idiot is digging himself enough holes on the other thread - I suggest you'll find enough fish to shoot in that barrel... :)
  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You're banned from this thread.
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  19. inva

    inva Well-Known Member

    thanks editor :)
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  20. taffboy gwyrdd

    taffboy gwyrdd Embrace the confusion!

    Smoking kills and Celyn like this.
  21. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    Good man
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  23. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    Jesus fuck.
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  24. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    The companies running the assessments have been pulled up about this before, and had given assurances that it wouldn't happen again. :(
  25. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    they are still doing this shit! oh ffs.
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  26. existentialist

    existentialist FiVe ᵈAʸs tᵒ FʳᵉeᵈOᵐ

    They were never going to stop.

    Even if we assume the most benign explanation - that people who are not trained to deal with suicidal people are liable, for all kinds of reasons, to say crass things - the system will not change: they're not going to train their people in supportive, enabling strategies to work with people in that condition, particularly since the entire approach is predicated on the idea that "you're not ill, you're just swinging the lead". They'd rather push them in front of their clients, ignorant and unskilled, because it doesn't really matter.

    When you are assuming that everyone who comes through the door is trying it on, you're not exactly starting from the right place to help a suicidal client. Pretty much every credible suicide intervention strategy says "if someone says they're suicidal, assume that they are and deal with them accordingly". That flies in the face of this assessment process and the assumptions that underlie it. It doesn't mean "OMG,WTF, help. I've got a suicidal in front of me!"; it means exploring with sensitivity and care what that person is actually thinking. I know from extensive experience that when you do get the try-on merchants, they don't stick at it long when you're taking them seriously, but it takes an act of faith to do that. These twats aren't interested in that.

    So they trigger the occasional suicide along the way? So what, they'd probably have done it anyway. And feh, it's only a cry for help/manipulative behaviour. They won't do it really.

    They should be held to account for this. They won't be.
  27. Chilli.s

    Chilli.s changed the little words

    "if you're suicidal, why haven't you succeeded?" Shockingly inhumane if true. Names should be named and consequences should be real. Just what kind of professional standards are in place to control these things.
  28. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    The only real comeback is reporting the individual assessor to their individual professional association, most of whom are supine on matters of discipline unless their member is killing people, or bringing the association into disrepute.
  29. Favelado

    Favelado Half to the Tower, please.

    It is 1.2 billion a year. Happy now? Off you fuck.
  30. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Elaine Morrall RIP - just saw this on facebook HEART-RENDING: Mum who died alone in the cold with her hat and scarf on

    Her mum put this letter on social media, addressed to local councillors:
    My daughter lived in Boston ave. She died on the afternoon of 2 November 2017 at home on her own. She was 38yrs.

    In the cold with her coat & scarf on. Because she wouldn't put her heating on until her kids came home from school. Why ?? Because she couldn't afford it.

    Because she was severely depressed. Suffered from eating disorder & many other problems for many years.

    Mainly due to authoritarians of 1 form or another. I can give you details. Was in & out of hospital in recent months in intensive care.

    But was deemed not ill enough for esa. Had her benefits stopped numerous times, which in turn stopped her housing benefit.

    No income but expected to be able to pay full rent. Was told being in intensive care was not sufficient reason for failing to attend a universal credit interview.

    I went to the job centre to inform them them that she couldn't attend. But benefits stopped again.

    Uncaring housing taking her to court. She's due to go to court on monday. Is being dead now enough reason. Is that what's had to happen to prove she was ill??

    How many people have got to die before this government realises they are killing vulnerable people??

    What are you and your fellow councillors going to do to protect your constituents??

    Linda Morrall

    Broken hearted mother
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2017

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