Linux, what a pain in the arse

[subversplat]

edit: removed pointless insult

 

[Rock Bottom]

Linux IS a pain in the arse, but is infinitely better for software development.

I also come from a programming background, and love to work in a shell, rather than a GUI application.

My problem, is that I was never a system administrator. I know very little about networking, setting up devices, partititioning drives, etc.

I would like to make a point. The posters on urban75 have helped me on numerous occasions. I would like to make a big shout to the likes if Rich!, jaed, and many other people who have helped me over the years. Your advice has been much more productive than that I have got on other forums, such as linuxforums - where posters are generally too condescending to the uneducated.

I am in China, where all Windows applications are free, and the linux community is very small, and so I have greatly appreciated your support.

Maybe, since there are so many linux users on this forum, we could have a linux support sticky. What do you think? Is it worth speaking to the mods about it?

The concept of Linux and open-source is a beautiful one, which unifies people from a global community - people interested in bettering something rather than making financial gain. Isn't this an urban75 priority? We should actively encourage this community.

 

[fortyplus]

If it's such a bother, why not stick with Windows?

because we have to struggle to retain our freedom, and the freedom is worth it.

 

[Sunray]

Ive deleted it in defeat. Going to have to download the 32bit version where the h/w support is better. Cannot get the wireless adaptor to work, the linux drivers only work for higher versions than the kernel the 64 bit version and ndiswrapper produces a .ko that is incompatible with the kernel.

 

[lobster]

Maybe, since there are so many linux users on this forum, we could have a linux support sticky. What do you think? Is it worth speaking to the mods about it?

Thats a great point of focus.
I think they should be a forum inside software,internet and games called unix or something, it would be organised if anything.

 

[fortyplus]

Ive deleted it in defeat. Going to have to download the 32bit version where the h/w support is better. Cannot get the wireless adaptor to work, the linux drivers only work for higher versions than the kernel the 64 bit version and ndiswrapper produces a .ko that is incompatible with the kernel.

I also gave up quickly with 64-bit gentoo when I upgraded the mobo on one m/c and found myself with an A64. The i386 version worked much better than IA64 which iirc borked on several hw drivers.

But what's windows 64-bit status these days? if you get winXP, isn't it a purely 32-bit OS? IIRC 64-bit kernel support came much earlier in nix.

The fact that hw and driver support lags a bit on the 64-bit side is hardly surprising; if you want to be bleeding edge, you'll suffer.

 

[miss minnie]

Thats a great point of focus.
I think they should be a forum inside software,internet and games called unix or something, it would be organised if anything.

hmm, could be an idea, i'll ask the ed...

i'm used to having a windows box at home cos of games mainly and being lazy i use it for dev and everything else. been slowly weaning myself off windows apps to the point where open source freeware has replaced all but my games and borland delphi (must.upgrade.kylix), i've got debian installed and am trying to get into the habit of booting that rather than windows.

i started trying linux out a few years ago (well, ok i have used xenix but that was over 15 years ago) but must admit that i found it a right royal pita. until i discovered slackware, that was a good jumping off point. while i can find my way around a bit of networking i'm no expert and there was stuff that i simply couldn't be bothered with. i wanted to be doing the things i like quicksmart - application development - not arsing about with network and device config.

looks like i may have scored a dev job where there are no windows clients and i think i get to pick a distro to use, not sure yet. i'm looking forward to being forced to use linux.

 

[scott_forester]

However, even with with best will in the world, to have a stable OS that I can use to do things, costs me hours and hours slaving away at the command line, editing config files and reading strange, poorly written manuals and forums.

Hence the very large Linux professional services business.

 

[Jonti]

Hence the very large Linux professional services business.

Really? With employment possibilities and everything? That sounds good. At least with Linux things are in principle sortable (without having to take too much on trust).

I'd be interested in working for a Linux professional services outfit. How would one go about that?

 

[lobster]

I also gave up quickly with 64-bit gentoo when I upgraded the mobo on one m/c and found myself with an A64. The i386 version worked much better than IA64 which iirc borked on several hw drivers.

But what's windows 64-bit status these days? if you get winXP, isn't it a purely 32-bit OS? IIRC 64-bit kernel support came much earlier in nix.

The fact that hw and driver support lags a bit on the 64-bit side is hardly surprising; if you want to be bleeding edge, you'll suffer.

I have heard many say that gentoo 64 is broken, i use slamd64 which is a 64 bit port of slackware. www,slamd64.com , i find it very easy to use and stable..

 

[jayeola]

jayeola offerring hobbyist and professional consultation and support, sah!

 

[Jonti]

Gis' a job!

or I'll train as an MSCE or something