lines for young children

[Strumpet]

Love it

 

[tendril]

Practice makes perfect. If he is learning to write then lines are an excellent idea. I think this punishment is fitting.

But then I don't have kids.

 

[RubyBlue]

I got lines at primary school - a teacher heard me call my mum an old bag and made me write 'I must not call my mum an old bag 500 times and I had to get my mum to sign it I was about 7.

 

[scumbalina]

I never had lines as a punishment at school, certainly not at primary school.

Actually, now I've thought about it, neither did I. Maybe I've just watched the Simpsons intro too often and thought it was the done thing

I've written a short note at the bottom

"I understand that you are having difficulty coming up with positive strategies for managing <son's> behaviour and have resorted to lines. I do not find lines an appropriate disciplinary strategy for a six year old child and have replaced it with one more fitting"

I think your solution and the way you've explained it to them is far more suitable, nicely handled.

I got lines at primary school - a teacher heard me call my mum an old bag and made me write 'I must not call my mum an old bag 500 times and I had to get my mum to sign it I was about 7.

 

[Thora]

Actually, now I've thought about it, neither did I. Maybe I've just watched the Simpsons intro too often and thought it was the done thing

I remember playing schools when little and giving my sister lines, so we must have got the idea it was an appropriate school punishment from somewhere too

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

I remember playing schools when little and giving my sister lines, so we must have got the idea it was an appropriate school punishment from somewhere too

I guess its a meme, like standing in the corner with a dunces cap on, but IMHO its pretty archaic, quite unimaginative and utterly pointless.

 

[scifisam]

I guess its a meme, like standing in the corner with a dunces cap on, but IMHO its pretty archaic, quite unimaginative and utterly pointless.

It can help encourage some people (well over 6 years old, if they're aural learners who can write well) to remember things. It is crude, but it's also very straightforward. I might even try it on myself - 'remember to hang the washing up straight away' times 100.

 

[Missez]

It can help encourage some people (well over 6 years old, if they're aural learners who can write well) to remember things. It is crude, but it's also very straightforward. I might even try it on myself - 'remember to hang the washing up straight away' times 100.

I've only ever given one student lines

I made her write out "Work Done= Force X Distance" 100 times during detention. She always remembered that formula after that.

But making a 6 year old write out lines seems inappropriate to me.

 

[scumbalina]

It can help encourage some people (well over 6 years old, if they're aural learners who can write well) to remember things. It is crude, but it's also very straightforward. I might even try it on myself - 'remember to hang the washing up straight away' times 100.

balls

 

[scifisam]

I've only ever given one student lines

I made her write out "Work Done= Force X Distance" 100 times during detention. She always remembered that formula after that.

But making a 6 year old write out lines seems inappropriate to me.

I've actually only used it once since September, but I've used it instead of detention before - though then I'm more inclined to tell them write a mini-essay (like, 100 words) on the topic, even if it's 'silence' or 'paper aeroplanes.' Depends on the student and whatever it is they need to take in.

 

[scifisam]

balls

I have some sitting right next to me. But I have hung two other loads up today, this one just came out of the machine, and I'm workin in between messing around online. Hmm. I probably really could do wth giving myself lines.

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

More rantings...

Nothing was said about the punishment exercise.

Monday night his homework was tracing the number zero, on an exercise sheet that he had been given only about a month or so ago (and I didnt think it was developmentally appropriate then!). I wrote a short note explaining that he had done it before, and asking if there was a problem with his number formation - no reply.

Tuesday night - the same sheet. I wrote another note reiterating the same.

I got a reply tonight which says "Dont worry. No problem with his number formation. Its just good to practice"

Which just about sums up the whole attitude of the school. Apparently its suitable to give him 105 words to write out as punishment, but for learning, he is supposed to trace numbers.

ARGH - roll on November.

 

[Sweet FA]

Thank christ the place is closing.

Writing as a punishment...at home

 

[trashpony]

Please tell me the name of his teacher so that I can ensure I avoid her in future. It sounds like some kind of educational distopia

 

[pogofish]

^^ this! the lines aside the comment about the childs dreadlocks and eating insects culture is fucking bang out of order - I would report whoever said that to my child

This - If the school won't take it on, I would be creating with the education authority - Esp as this is a Scottish school & they are required to educate in accordance with the parents wishes.

 

[fractionMan]

I've written a short note at the bottom

"I understand that you are having difficulty coming up with positive strategies for managing <son's> behaviour and have resorted to lines. I do not find lines an appropriate disciplinary strategy for a six year old child and have replaced it with one more fitting"

I know its a bit snooty, but the other option was just to sign it and say nothing, but I'm not sure how they would react to him handing that in.

<waits for the fallout>

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

Ok - I got a response by post today.

This is a bit long but bear with me,

I am writing in response to your remarks regarding <sons> punishment exercise. I made it clear to <partner> when speaking to him on Friday that the positive strategies the school has been using with <son> both within the rainbow room with <one teacher> and in his class with <other teacher> did not appear to be working as <son> is hitting <elder son> regualarly and without any apparent reason. He told me he hits <elder son> because he wants to!

On the sheet you worked on with <son> he wrote that he would act differently by telling on <elder son> but it would appear that most of the time <elder son> hasnt done anything for <son> to tell on! <Son's unprovoked hitting of <elder son> is the main thrust of our concern.

<teacher> has discussed with <partner> the possibility of that <son> could be jealous of <elder son>. We dont really know but try to deal with this as a possibility, she will set up a structure in the Rainbow Room where <son> and <elder son> could work on a set task together in and she would help them to work through it hopefully with sucess. By building a positive relationship between the brothers at school, Ali can see that he can work with Leon without hitting him or feeling angry towards him.

During the discussion with <partner> I suggested that I take a hard line with <son>when his behaviour is referred to me as another possible strategy and <partner> agreed that this was appropriate. I discussed detention which is where children are put if they hit anyone. They miss two break times and the complete a form very similar to the one that you made for <son> so that they reflect on their behaviour and why they are in detention.

On Friday I decided to send <son> home with lines that would be challenging for him so that he would not want to repeat them again therefore he may think twice before he hits <elder son> My reasoning for the lines was also discussed with <partner> and again he agreed with this thinking.

I also discussed the possibility of using a positive behaviour card with <son> which would go between home and school if the lines and detention strategy does not work. I wanted to ty the hard line of detention and lines first to see if the change of strategy would have some positive outcomes.

When I discuss issues with parents and get agreement at the time, I expect them to be carried our. I dont think this is unreasonable. If you disagree with both the school and <partner> as you clearly do. I would appreaciate it if you would arrange to discuss the disagreement with me rather than changing the disciplinary task that I set. According to <partner> <son> is hitting <elder son> at home too. I hope you agree that it is important that we work together to challenge <son's> behaviour and help him turn it around.

I intend to continue my strategy of detention and lines at present and hope that you will cooperate having read my explaination and reasoning. I believe that having to complete one or two sets of lines with your backing will be enough to make him think about his aggression towards his brother. I would hope that you will give it a try. If this is not effective then we will quickly move onto the behaviour card.

Also rest assured that the positive strategies of developing positive relationships between <son> and <elder son> highlighting <son's> good behaviourat every opportunity or discussing his actions and their consequences with him in a reasoned way etc. will continue in tandem with the harder line that I wish to pursue in the short term.

Thank you in expectation of your cooperation and support

Headteacher.

<sigh>

Edited to add: Partner cannot stand the woman - its not just me that is exhausted by arguing,

 

[Miss-Shelf]

people in institutions get used to having power

if he's not hitting anyone else then it sounds like he just gets fed up having his brother around which would strike me as normal behaviour and ditto hitting a sibling at home sometimes

november is a long time to have to wait - go above their head to the local authority?
or just stop trying to effect any change with them?

 

[purplex]

But lines is stupid for a 6 year old.

If its good enough for Bart Simpson ...
School sounds a bit bigoted if you ask me.

 

[Nemo]

When I discuss issues with parents and get agreement at the time, I expect them to be carried our. I dont think this is unreasonable. If you disagree with both the school and <partner> as you clearly do. I would appreaciate it if you would arrange to discuss the disagreement with me rather than changing the disciplinary task that I set. According to <partner> <son> is hitting <elder son> at home too. I hope you agree that it is important that we work together to challenge <son's> behaviour and help him turn it around.

I intend to continue my strategy of detention and lines at present and hope that you will cooperate having read my explaination and reasoning. I believe that having to complete one or two sets of lines with your backing will be enough to make him think about his aggression towards his brother. I would hope that you will give it a try. If this is not effective then we will quickly move onto the behaviour card.

Fucking hell! Does she think you're one of her pupils or something?