Shippou-Sensei
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they must have difficulty comunicating
that or someone only got their abridged dictionary
"Life is suffering"
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they must have difficulty comunicating
that or someone only got their abridged dictionary
JimW
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That's not what most mainstream Mahayana Buddhism (I'll stick to that since it's the strand I know a small bit about) is about though - in fact quite the reverse. Unlike a lot of the other faiths it was competing with, it emphasised human agency not supernatural powers. It was against inequalities of caste and gender. Also had some exciting insurrectionist spin-offs like the Red Turbans and White Lotus. of course, it's a big history and there's various corrupt Buddhist "churches" and the rest, but philosophically probably one of the least ridiculous religions. Nagarjuna was a bona fide genius and there's a whole host of very impressive Chinese chan (Zen) teachers/poets/artists.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
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This is precisely a view that contains suffering, I'd shun it. It involves a judgment of lack, and where you have lack you have suffering. But it's not necessary.
Life is not only fair, it's drop dead gorgeous... isn't that better?
"The men where you live," said the little prince, "raise five thousand roses in thesame garden−− and they do not find in it what they are looking for." "They do not find it," I replied. "And yet what they are looking for could be found in one single rose, or in a little water."
"Yes, that is true," I said. And the little prince added: "But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart..."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12842911/Antoine-de-Saint-Exupery-The-Little-Prince
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A Hopi Indian named Sun Chief said:
"I had learned many English words and could recite part of the Ten Commandments. I knew how to sleep on a bed, pray to Jesus, comb my hair, eat with a knife and fork, and use a toilet. ... I had also learned that a person thinks with his head instead of his heart ".
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"When Carl Jung, the great psychoanalyst, went to Taos Peublo in New Mexico in 1925, he met the chief of the native people, Ochwiay Biano. Biano told Jung that according to his people, the Whites were 'mad'-uneasy, restless, always wanting something.
Jung asked him why he thought they were mad, and the chief replied that it was because they thought with their heads, a sure sign of mental illness among his tribe. Jung asked him how he thought and he pointed to his heart. The response plunged Jung into a deep introspection that enabled him to see his race from outside himself and realise how much of the race's character was within him."
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Shippou Chan, I recommend you read "The Continuum Concept". How many times you use the word "want" when you are with your friends in the middle of nowhere having a barbecue ? Not like "pass me the salt". I mean "want". To "want" more than that. What is there more to "want" than what you already have there ? Want what ? That is how life is for some people and it never ends. No schedule, no bosses, no money, no rules, no clock forever. What more do you want ?
You must be "thinking with your head" to want more. Have you read Papillon ?
Papillon
Also see this post , and that entire thread :
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9409773&postcount=160
"Yes, that is true," I said. And the little prince added: "But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart..."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12842911/Antoine-de-Saint-Exupery-The-Little-Prince
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A Hopi Indian named Sun Chief said:
"I had learned many English words and could recite part of the Ten Commandments. I knew how to sleep on a bed, pray to Jesus, comb my hair, eat with a knife and fork, and use a toilet. ... I had also learned that a person thinks with his head instead of his heart ".
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"When Carl Jung, the great psychoanalyst, went to Taos Peublo in New Mexico in 1925, he met the chief of the native people, Ochwiay Biano. Biano told Jung that according to his people, the Whites were 'mad'-uneasy, restless, always wanting something.
Jung asked him why he thought they were mad, and the chief replied that it was because they thought with their heads, a sure sign of mental illness among his tribe. Jung asked him how he thought and he pointed to his heart. The response plunged Jung into a deep introspection that enabled him to see his race from outside himself and realise how much of the race's character was within him."
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Shippou Chan, I recommend you read "The Continuum Concept". How many times you use the word "want" when you are with your friends in the middle of nowhere having a barbecue ? Not like "pass me the salt". I mean "want". To "want" more than that. What is there more to "want" than what you already have there ? Want what ? That is how life is for some people and it never ends. No schedule, no bosses, no money, no rules, no clock forever. What more do you want ?
You must be "thinking with your head" to want more. Have you read Papillon ?
Papillon
Also see this post , and that entire thread :
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9409773&postcount=160
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter5-2.php
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
i reccomend you read my manga collection it will teach you all about wants
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
it'll likely teach you thirty new positions too.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
but life by fucking definition contains suffering! you will get older, watch your body fall apart, and die, likely not in bed in your sleep. you can't escape the fucking suffering inherent in life! this isn't necessarily to say that life's shit - it's as shit (or as good) as you want it to be. but it's still not fair and suffering is still a core part of life.This is precisely a view that contains suffering, I'd shun it. It involves a judgment of lack, and where you have lack you have suffering. But it's not necessary.
Life is not only fair, it's drop dead gorgeous... isn't that better?
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
and filthy things to want to do to foxgirl maids.....
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
lol
Just come back to this thread so i've no idea how it's progressed. But firstly food is not a desire, it's a necessity for life.
As for love, desire it and you'll suffer! Just have it and give it and there's no desire there at all. And in the act of giving one cannot be suffering.
And i'd say anything worth achieving in life - and non-suffering is a massive achievement in my view - does not come easy. It has to be worked at.
Oh, i doubt it somehow, very much doubt it.
And i'm not sure i agree about how all religions should be understood. And presumably when they were first conceived, they were ideas, not religions. Organised religions are merely tools for modern day criminals to use in controlling the peoples, and dividing them against each other.
I did see your post replying to mine, but nothing much to disagree with, so not being impolite in not replying to it...
However, and i've not spent enough time really searching my memory, but at the moment i'm going to say there are two reasons for suffering i can think of, based on my experiences in life.
The first is indeed desire. Wanting something and not being able to get it. Or, fulfill one desire, but then like the beast it is, others arise, so desire is a neverending vicious circle. I also think that expectations are the mother of disappointments.
The other cause of suffering i think is a chemically imbalanced body and mind. I've been fascinated in the past that despite myself being a positive and happy person as a default, there are days i wake up, not many, but real enough where for no apparent reason i'm feeling a bit down with the world, and for me this is a form of suffering, albeit a fairly mild and shortlived one. But it's nothing to do with desire.
Subsequently and now i believe this happens purely down to the diet we take leading up to such a day. Whether we eat the wrong foods, drink too much alcohol, we unbalance our mind and body.
For me personally i feel i've eliminated the first cause, and i'm on course for virtually eliminating the second cause.
I can't think of any other causes at the moment.
But when those downs come, if you put yourself in observer mode, then you don't emotionally attach yourself to the down, and presently it just disappears.
Also, yin and yang i thought were not opposites, rather that between them at any one time they add up to the whole.
The balance you talk of is not the final arbiter. One can find a dimension, a very real one, where the bad no longer is. Duality, society's default in its political and religious dimensions, can be transcended. I have seen this myself, and i have read more than a few writers who have described just such a thing.
It is in transcending duality that one eliminates suffering from one's life. In fact, to the degree one loses duality is the degree to which one loses suffering.
Suffering is caused by an internal reaction to an external event or happening. But not reacting, one cannot suffer.
caught up now...
Life certainly contains a lot of suffering for a lot of people. It doesn't need to be this way, but without the necessary awareness that noego mentioned to counter it, it doesn't go away.
Awareness is really the big tool. When we read stuff like zen and tao and at another level - well for me anyway for sure - the likes of krishnamurti and osho, then we are helping ourselves to this awareness of what to do and how to live.
However i've seen people who derive so much happiness from the act of giving that they rarely suffered in their lives.
So one way to counter suffering in addition to those mentioned is simply to learn the art of giving. And i've read that those who marvel at and never act against nature and the whole natural world, experience how much nature just goes on giving to them, and therefore become givers, not wanters.
Buddha really had it nailed when he was under that tree.
But i still say it's better to ignore him over his scriptures about no sex, no dancing, no this or that. Go for it all. With open eyes and an inquiring mind. Then get through this physical stage to life and move to the next stage, and then finally out of duality and into the third stage. While in that third stage unnecessary suffering is impossible.
One has become the watcher, not the reacter (er, not or).
Life certainly contains a lot of suffering for a lot of people. It doesn't need to be this way, but without the necessary awareness that noego mentioned to counter it, it doesn't go away.
Awareness is really the big tool. When we read stuff like zen and tao and at another level - well for me anyway for sure - the likes of krishnamurti and osho, then we are helping ourselves to this awareness of what to do and how to live.
However i've seen people who derive so much happiness from the act of giving that they rarely suffered in their lives.
So one way to counter suffering in addition to those mentioned is simply to learn the art of giving. And i've read that those who marvel at and never act against nature and the whole natural world, experience how much nature just goes on giving to them, and therefore become givers, not wanters.
Buddha really had it nailed when he was under that tree.
But i still say it's better to ignore him over his scriptures about no sex, no dancing, no this or that. Go for it all. With open eyes and an inquiring mind. Then get through this physical stage to life and move to the next stage, and then finally out of duality and into the third stage. While in that third stage unnecessary suffering is impossible.
One has become the watcher, not the reacter (er, not or).
Do you still sleep with prostitutes in Southeast Asia?
And?
Your wording indicates that you somehow know me, and that i at least used to sleep, rather than fuck with 'prostitutes'. Interesting. How does this relate to suffering?
Brilliant.
But not very illuminating to me. Carry on in riddles mate, enjoy yourself.
I'm sure you have.
Hey, I don't need to pay for it.
Suppose you are on holiday in a beautiful place. You have a few weeks. There's great food, wine, company, sport, whatever, everything you enjoy. You have a hired Lamborghini. You have a brilliant time. But in the last week, you are staring the end of your holiday in the face. You have to return the car, say goodbye to some dear friends, and return to work. It's all going to be over very soon.
Are you suffering?
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
well they might have been buddists
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
actually i have a perverse manga about a bunch of buddist nuns
perverse comedy rather than porn
sutras and pany shots
perverse comedy rather than porn
sutras and pany shots
Tsk, silly! One doesn't pay for it
One pays them to go away after it.
I wouldn't know for sure mate. Sexually exploiting poor Asian lasses and then trying to justify it by wrapping it up in some bullshit homespun philosophy isn't my cup of tea.
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