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Lieberman wants to bomb Iran

ZAMB said:
I know this was discussed in a much earlier Iran thread , but I thought it might be helpful to post a more recent critique of Bush's primary [mendacious] reason for bombing Iran. It's nothing to do with the NPT, as anyone who has read the NPT knows.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

Unfortunately this is another of those inconvenient facts that causes such cognitive dissonance to "the system" and its' adherents, that their eyes just slip over it, and it never gets more than marginal coverage in the media.

I mentioned to Bernie G when Ahmedinedjad was first reported as having made those comments that an Iranian mate (a hard leftist who left Iran in '77 one step ahead of SAVAK) had commented that the translations being offered on the mainstream media were incomplete and incorrect. I recall certain North American urbanites ridiculed me. It's that cognitive dissonance again :)
 
ViolentPanda said:
Unfortunately this is another of those inconvenient facts that causes such cognitive dissonance to "the system" and its' adherents, that their eyes just slip over it, and it never gets more than marginal coverage in the media.

I mentioned to Bernie G when Ahmedinedjad was first reported as having made those comments that an Iranian mate (a hard leftist who left Iran in '77 one step ahead of SAVAK) had commented that the translations being offered on the mainstream media were incomplete and incorrect. I recall certain North American urbanites ridiculed me. It's that cognitive dissonance again :)

Its what I think should be called the Dershowitz principle - that if you tell a lie often enough and loudly enough you can get those people who would rather be told something than look for the real facts to believe you.
 
Jews are running most of America and its foreign policy....and the average american can't even say that without being labeled an anti-semite.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Unfortunately this is another of those inconvenient facts that causes such cognitive dissonance to "the system" and its' adherents, that their eyes just slip over it, and it never gets more than marginal coverage in the media.

I mentioned to Bernie G when Ahmedinedjad was first reported as having made those comments that an Iranian mate (a hard leftist who left Iran in '77 one step ahead of SAVAK) had commented that the translations being offered on the mainstream media were incomplete and incorrect. I recall certain North American urbanites ridiculed me. It's that cognitive dissonance again :)

Aye, the western media wants to believe that Ahmadinedjad wants an all out war with the US. In that way, it is doing the state's work for them, because the state, or at least this government and the one in the US, wants to get its hands on the oil that was 'stolen' from them during the Iranian revolution. So any auld lie will do.:(
 
ZAMB said:
Its what I think should be called the Dershowitz principle - that if you tell a lie often enough and loudly enough you can get those people who would rather be told something than look for the real facts to believe you.

"The Dershowitz principle". I like that. :)
 
Detroit City said:
Cheney can't even wipe his own arse without approval from the people who have the real power.

Depends what power you're referring to, and in which sector it's located.

It's not enough to deploy the old "Jews are running America" spiel, without elucidating how you perceive them doing so, otherwise you're just indulging in a reflexive Fordist rant.
 
Detroit City said:
Jews are running most of America and its foreign policy....and the average american can't even say that without being labeled an anti-semite.

This is bullshit, and you yourself are repeating antisemitic claptrap here, and might even believe it's true - it's not true - the Christian Right place Israel high on the agenda, and court Jewish groups, but it's not Jews who are 'running most of America and it's foreign policy'.

Since the 1950s, a radical minority of Christian Right Theocrats have manoevred to hold prominent positions of power in the US (NGOs, Govt. Administration and the Pentagon as well as prominent media positions), where they use the rhetoric of the religious right to bend US public opinion to match those of the current administration. The link between American (corporate) fascism and prominent evangelical right-wingers cannot be denied.

Antisemite Billy Graham received much support from American corporate fascist - such as J. Howard Pew (http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/pew.html) - part of the American Liberty League who also funded the rise of Hitler (http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html) and prominent antisemite, spreader of the Protocols, and American Fascist Russell Maguire - heir to the Thomson machine gun and oil baron was responsible for publishing many antisemitic diatribes, and was an early sponsor of the BillyGraham 'Evangelical empire', which now makes pioneering inroads into North Africa with plenty of support from the Bush Administration. In the seventies, Graham was caught on tape spewing the type of antisemitic bile that DetroitCity just wrote, but this was part of a long association with antisemitic statements, and by no means isolated on Graham's part: "By January 1957, the Mercury was at loggerheads with the Anti-Defamation League over charges of anti-Semitism. Despite their public apologies, the religious right and Billy Graham cannot rid themselves of their past support of fascism and anti-Semitism any more than a leopard can change its spots." (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...p5.html+billy+graham+1930s+antisemitism&hl=en)


Note - it is the Christian Right, and not Jews, who are running America right now and it's forgeign policies, and support for Israel is so prominent in their rhetoric, that the average tv-watching Joe could be forgiven for thinking that it's done only for Israel, but it isn't - there is a darker and older force at work here, seeking to not only undermine the American constitution, but also spread an evangelising vanguard to foreign and business policy in Africa, the Middle East, and beyond.

Michelle Goldberg said:
"Christian Zionism is responsible for American support for some of the most irredentist Israeli positions," she said, such as support for settlement-building.

She said evangelical Christians had substantial influence on US Middle East policy - more so than some better-known names such as Aipac, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

"The influence of Hagee is to make the American public support the government's completely one-sided, hawkishly pro-Israel stance. These groups have much more influence than Aipac or the so-called Israel lobby."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5193092.stm

“American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America”
Chris Hedges's new book examines how Christian dominionists are seeking absolute power and a Christian state. According to Hedges, the movement bears a strong resemblance to the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s. Hedges is the former New York Times Middle East bureau chief and author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/19/1545218

And here, Hagee, whom Goldberg warns us of, depicts Jews as Christ-killers - one of the oldest antisemitic tricks in the book.

John Hagee, the megachurch pastor who is the current face of Christian Zionism in the United States, depicted Jews as Christ killers in a recent interview. Hagee also stated that Muslims have a "mandate" to kill Christians and Jews and that God caused Hurricane Katrina to destroy New Orleans to prevent a scheduled gay parade.
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06cprint/cufi02_print.html

Christian Right and Christian Fascists have long spread 'propaganda' about Jewish 'conspiracy', which acts as a blind to defer the onlookers gaze away from their machinations, onto their perceived historic enemy as Christians, 'Christ Killing Jews'.

One thing which history has been quick to forget about Hitler/Nazis is how they used Christian ideological hatred of Jews in a Nationalistic political sense to gain the support of Church leaders and the populace itself:
Hitler said:
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

In the promotional video cited by Weinstein, four generals and three colonels appear wearing their uniforms. Among them is Lt. Col. Lucious Morton, who says that Christian Embassy-led Bible studies benefit the military as a whole because they create "Godly men" who will lead others into battle.[/quote]

"Public displays of faith by high-ranking military officers project an image of a Christian nation waging war on non-Christians, both inside and outside the United States, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation said Monday." (http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230445)

But if, as Hannity reports, the views of the Christian Embassy are "personal views and are not intended to represent the U.S. government nor any department in which they serve.", then why does the Bush Administration appoint Christian Rightists into positions of power in Governmental, Legal, Scientific, Medical, Educational, and Military institutions?
 
Originally Posted by Detroit City
Jews are running most of America and its foreign policy....and the average american can't even say that without being labeled an anti-semite.


Luther Blissett;
This is bullshit, and you yourself are repeating antisemitic claptrap here, and might even believe it's true - it's not true - the Christian Right place Israel high on the agenda, and court Jewish groups, but it's not Jews who are 'running most of America and it's foreign policy'.

I suggest that Detroit replaces 'jews' with 'Zionists' and then he'd be correct. The Israel Lobby , seriously, has Congress and the Senate by the throat. Joe Lieberman is the Senator for Israel and more than two thirds of Washington politicos attend AIPAC meetings and fund-raisers.

That's bad enough. Any of the Presidential candidates who are in with a chance have already broadcast their devotion to Zionist criminality. It's the crux of America's low-standing in the world.

Personally, I believe it to be the rot that will bring about the End of Empire.

Luther Blissett;
Note - it is the Christian Right, and not Jews, who are running America right now and it's forgeign policies, and support for Israel is so prominent in their rhetoric, that the average tv-watching Joe could be forgiven for thinking that it's done only for Israel, but it isn't - there is a darker and older force at work here, seeking to not only undermine the American constitution, but also spread an evangelising vanguard to foreign and business policy in Africa, the Middle East, and beyond.
The Christian Right are Christian Zionists though. Yes, you're right , and it's a danger than requires publicity, lots of it, but one doesn't want to become a critic of Christian Zionism and an unwitting 'jewish' Zionist fanboy simultaneously.

Mikey Weinstein, the complainant in your article , might prefer that the American administration was influenced by others rather than Christians.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p15s01-lire.html
 
Detroit City said:
Jews are running most of America and its foreign policy....and the average american can't even say that without being labeled an anti-semite.

Tut, tut. next you'll be telling us that the planes that flew into the twin towers were piloted by Mossad agents. :rolleyes:
 
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