"Liberals are pathetic" - Clarke

[Divisive Cotton]

'These kind of debates are too dominated by lawyers'

A debate on legal change is dominated by lawyers... well I never, what ever next?

 

[siarc]

Fuck it I am doing an interview. On BBC Radio. Anonymously. I'm not going on TV and I'm not writing letters because I can't, but I am not able to live with myself saying nothing either.

very pleased to hear this, hopefully articulacy and reason count for something against new corp emotional pornography, though i'm not optimistic

 

[Badger Kitten]

Done it.
I won't be able to hear it, I'll be in a meeting. I think you can listen again on the net, so I'll do that later

 

[Roadkill]

Good for you, badger Kitten.

 

[TAE]

Excelent!

Thank you.

 

[Sorry.]

passage the terror bill on a knife-edge at the moment apparently

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4419970.stm

surprised if it's close actually. On a full turn out, they've gotta have 34 rebels.

(24 in the SCG + 10?)

 

[Badger Kitten]

Knocked this out in my lunch hour as well: The Times Debate

 

[X-77]

Excellent BK - I am so glad you decided to speak out, that truly is a noble and courageous thing you have done

 

[Badger Kitten]

31 ! FUCKING EXCELLENT!

Thanks to everyone who linked to the blog post and sent it to their MPs and round the blogosphere and I am off to get drunk on vodka.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Is it true that CC is a former IS / SWP member or was in some way associated with these bodies at one time?

gra

He was in Clause 4 at the time he was NUS president 1975-77. Clause 4 was a secretive faction of Labour Party stalinists, mostly based within the National Organisation of Labour Students which they controlled at the time. They created the alliance with the Communist Party, amusingly called the Broad Left that ran the NUS for best part of a decade. They were vehemently opposed by/to the IS/SWP whose student organisation the was called NOISS - pronounce 'noise', which is mostly what they did.

Clause 4 (Clarke included) claimed to be 'Marxists'. In the NUS they were often characterised as 'mindless tankies', because of some of their sympathies for solving problems of political dissent in the same way that the Soviet Union sorted out Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. Ironically most Clause 4 supporters were active in supporting Tony Blair's campaign to get rid of the Clause in 1995.

I think his father was a leading diplomat wasn't he?

 

[TAE]

Knocked this out in my lunch hour as well: The Times Debate

Very well written. Respect.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I think his father was a leading diplomat wasn't he?

Probably, by all accounts from those that work with him / work near him / occasionally pass him on a corridor, he's a complete arsehole and ignores all those he views as 'unimportant'.

 

[sihhi]

In Hackney where I live, such people now constitute the core Labour vote, as many working class people, black and white, cannot be relied upon to vote. Liberals by and large do vote.

True. Tottenham (Labour since I can remember) has had turnout dropping with every general election. To such an extent that total turnout in the general election was 49%!

The difficulty for the Labour party in doing this is as they no longer appeal to voters on any working class or trades union basis, they are in many cities utterly dependent on the votes of ......... middle class, Guardian reading liberals.

I think liberals like being told off every now and again- it makes them happy to be slightly oppositional, agreeing with Gary Younge every once in a while in addition to Polly Toynbee.

Opposing the 90 days terror legislation (but not the fact that un-bailed prisoners are kept in prison longer than 90 days fr instance) also allows them to criticise the mob for being stupid and following the Sun- and thus make themselves happy with how much more cleverer and betterer they are compared to them.