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Lewis for the title?

Badgers said:
Alonso welcome back at Renault

:rolleyes:
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just the usual flav rhetoric tbf ... IF mclaren where to release him ... meanign he knows as well as anyone that this is unlikely to happen...

I wouldn't put it past Ron Dennis to say tough your are contracted for another year you'll fuckign well work it and work it hard or we'll be extracting those penalty clauses...
 
London Eye said:
Conspiracy theories about Hamilton not being allowed to win????

He's still in the championship, so is Alonso, when both have benefitted from a car developed out of a stolen dossier of ferrari information.

Maybe some of you here have been misled by the fact that NOT ONE british newspaper has said what everyone else is saying around the world...CHEATS!

Hamilton is a magnificent driver. Also knows how to play mindgames. Just like a certain German and former ferrari driver.

Except when said german did it, the English press slagged him off for being an obsessive character and not very nice man. But now Hamilton shows a ruthless streak and the British press go all gooey!

Face it, this season, whoever wins (but particularly McLaren) has been marred by the cheating row (yes i said CHEATING row, not spygate, not ferrarigate, or any other euphemism, it was CHEATING from top to bottom.

And Max Mosely granted Alonso AND Hamilton immunity from prosecution in return for info on the cheating mechanic, so in other words handed immunity to the two drivers who most benefitted from the stolen ferrari dossier.

Now, is anyone saying that's fair? Corinthian fair, you know, like what we British are always bragging to the rest of the world. They're all bunch of foreign cheats, but we British, we play the game, cheating's just not cricket blah blah

Cheers Hamilton. You're a great driver but your first title will be tainted by the cheating row and that's a shame, but i'm sure you won't care a bit as the millions will flow in and the uk press lap it up and prove that hypocrisy is thriving in the media as it always has done i suppose.
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wonders if the poster is even vaugely aware of the ridiculiousness of what they are saying...

IT'S FORMULA 1 dude...

cheating is merely what you do until you're caught doing it...

I'm sure if you look back over the history of the sport and can find one season not tainted with cheating, then i'll give you a banana... really...

schumi's first 3 for benetton all cheated planks shaved cars which had balast added to the tank after park ferme in order to bring them back up to racing weight electronic do hickies which dialed in engine settings...

ferrari illegal arodynamics this year whcih prompted the complaints which snowballed the whole spygate saga...

clarke hill hunt stewart all knew there was cheating going on chapman brabham all cheats... and so on and so on and so on...

Thing is that as chapman would say it's how you look at the rules... in something this competative you are always going to try to do something which gives you the edge.

More over anyoen who knows a dam thing about F1 Development cycles will tell you there's little they could have glened from the dossier whcih they wouldn't have had as they effectly tested again the ferraris in race conditions, sure there might have been refinements they could introduce but this would be fractions of a second things rather than seconds of extra speed ... nothign which would have given a clear advantage....

moreover it was mclaren who intialised the whole thing and reported themselves rather than be found out, so i don't think in all of this they are terribly culpable and no one will ever say in years to come regardless of which mclaren wins the championship ahh yes but it was a tainted championship any more than ramming cars out the way did senna or shumacher any harm... or that damon only won it cos senna died... etc etc...
 
I think the Button case showed sometimes it's not a good idea. He'll stay at Mac then bugger off in 09 to partner Heikki. I think we can assume Fisi will be told where to go.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
just the usual flav rhetoric tbf ... IF mclaren where to release him ... meanign he knows as well as anyone that this is unlikely to happen...

I wouldn't put it past Ron Dennis to say tough your are contracted for another year you'll fuckign well work it and work it hard or we'll be extracting those penalty clauses...
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He is expensive for a test driver though :)
 
renault has done the same too mclaren and nothing came off it. alonso should get fucked, the mono-browed wanker that he is. hes cracking under the pressure, not something you want too see in a double world champ. also, i heard somewhere that he practices his podium victory jumps, how fucken sad is that?
 
Badgers said:
He is expensive for a test driver though :)
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oh i dunno ron dennis can afford it... particularlly as it's unwise to cross ron dennis as tom walkenshaw and many others found out...
 
theCIA said:
renault has done the same too mclaren and nothing came off it. alonso should get fucked, the mono-browed wanker that he is. hes cracking under the pressure, not something you want too see in a double world champ. also, i heard somewhere that he practices his podium victory jumps, how fucken sad is that?
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This is why from his first races he's known to my mates and I as 'Dirty Alonso' - IIRC he did something dodge in an early race and we all went 'filthy dirty spaniard' and it ended up with Dirty Alonso...
 
Tee Hee, quite heated,

Now, has anyone bothered to read the transcripts from the FIA hearings, the guilt was for being in possesion, even by an employee. It could not be proved that McLaren had benefited from the document. Until, the dreaded text message farago,

Reading the Transcripts it comes over clearly that the presence of the ex Ferrari Team manager did have an influence, Max ' the Mouth piece' Mosley was clearly antagonistic towards McLaren, his line of questioning and statements clearly show a hidden agenda. Without the mass of e-mails between Stepney, Coughlan ( 228 approx) and the driver's text message the FIA lacked conclusive proof of an awareness by the management of McLaren of the documents, and even with the contents of the communications it still did not prove that an advantage was gain from this knowledge. Or that senior management was aware.

As for the cheating bit, It only matters if you are caught,

For your consideration, McLaren and Mercedes were the instigators of the break away formula, a move scuppered by the FIA signing ferrari for the next umpteen years.

I will admit I do love a good conspiracy, but all the pointers are in place. Who would benefit most from the draconian fine and the deduction of points?
Coughlan was interviewed by Ferrari for the position of designer, the friendship between Stepney and Coughlan was common knowledge, how easy to set anyone up with a nice thick document. Has anyone clarified that the information was of use to any other team? Was the document truly up to date info or just a collction of .. year old figures?

The methods of collecting information, even to the point of where the lifting straps are fitted to indicate the point of balance and the weight distribution during recovery. The sound equipment used to record and analysis engine RPM, the list goes on but to accuse one team of industrial espionage and follow through with pointed fingers will not guarantee a total lack of future hostilities
 
like i said alonso isn't going to lose this year...

assuming they don't dock points from hamilton which they prolly are going to do in an act that's actually outragious as far as the conditions and a very much rookie driver attempting to justify their taking out their sister team mate, which is all that the excuse is.

then alonso will still win the next two races either way...

And consdiering that next year mclearn will be in one garage with almost no budget hen ron dennis won't be keen to lose the world champion due to this might be being the only source of cash he get's all year...
 
I'm confused. I know I'm new to all this but can someone help?

basically, he's now seemingly under investigation for out-smarting the other cars?

jesus
 
I like the phrase "erratic driving" - it's an F1 car being driven in the driving rain of course it's going to be erratic!
 
aqua said:
I'm confused. I know I'm new to all this but can someone help?

basically, he's now seemingly under investigation for out-smarting the other cars?

jesus
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Welcome to the madcap world that is Formula 1 :D
 
Dead Cat Bounce said:
And now his Japanese win is under investigation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7027743.stm
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This is stupid, there's talk of docking all his points from the fuji race and setting him back 10 places on the grid in shanghai- which would effectively end his title race and hand the whole thing to alonso- who definitely cheated (and cheated his own teammate at that) and wasn't docked a single point. Its a conspiracy i tells ya.

Is it really cheating if the only person affected is mark webber? Who the fuck is Mark Webber? On course to win the race was he?
 
Also within the rules, under full course yellow, red flag or under safety car rules no are not allowed to overtake. full stop... no excuses, no well It was the rain.. the rule boof sez.. no overtaking but Alonso, by his own admission overtook Lewis several times... bet they don't do anything about that...

I might even e mail the FIA and ask what rules will applied? the ones that are written in the book or ones that are made up as they go along.

Weber was taken out by Vettel, how does that equate to Lewis's driving..

Weber has complained about Vettel acting like a novice....

Alonso lost it in the wet, nothing more to say about that one.
 
Surely (after seeing the Webber incident myself) all Hamilton needs to say is I let the throttle go a bit early on that corner due to heavy rain shite, or summat?

This is bollocks.
 
I've just seen the clip from of all places, the Elpais website.

So Hamilton takes a different line to the safety car into the corner and Vettel then takes out Webber. That's it?

One of the most interesting seasons in ages and they turn it into a joke.

No wonder F1 drivers are headed to the USA. Montoya and Villeneuve the first to jump ship. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ralph S sign up to one of the lower Nascar leagues for a year and then try a full Cup season after that.

I've watched F1 since I could crawl but maybe Nascar is the future. :confused:

The link below gives an idea of the racing that they get up to, each of the races this season condensed into a ten minute video.

http://www.nascar.com/2007/multimedia/racerewind/
 
Dead Cat Bounce said:
I've just seen the clip from of all places, the Elpais website.

So Hamilton takes a different line to the safety car into the corner and Vettel then takes out Webber. That's it?
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Yes, that's it.

As I said, all Lewis needs to say is "I may have not been really brilliant like Fangio or Schumi might have been on this one corner behind the safety car in the lashing rain, I'm very sorry old chap" and that's it.

If he's punished for that then fuck it. Absolute nonsense.
 
Descartes said:
Also within the rules, under full course yellow, red flag or under safety car rules no are not allowed to overtake. full stop... no excuses, no well It was the rain.. the rule boof sez.. no overtaking but Alonso, by his own admission overtook Lewis several times... bet they don't do anything about that...

I might even e mail the FIA and ask what rules will applied? the ones that are written in the book or ones that are made up as they go along.

Weber was taken out by Vettel, how does that equate to Lewis's driving..

Weber has complained about Vettel acting like a novice....

Alonso lost it in the wet, nothing more to say about that one.
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I beleive the phrase which went out on the lvie transmission was i was taken off by one of those fucking kids... :D

thing is you cannot overtake for position under the safety car which means you can come past but then have to drop back that's perfectly legitimate as is overtaking if you are unlapping yourself.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
I beleive the phrase which went out on the lvie transmission was i was taken off by one of those fucking kids... :D
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so I was right, a case of sour grapes

:rolleyes: @ the jealous drivers
 
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