Leopard!

[Lazy Llama]

google earth doesn't like it

Mostly working on mine. Some of the text to the right of the "Places" section header is blocked out but the app itself seems to work.

I'm running Google Earth v.4.2.0198.2451 (beta), OS 10.5 build 9A581

 

[Crispy]

mine hasn't been updated in ages, so that might be it.

all my ical calendars have gone!
I'm very glad I can boot back into my 10.4 backup.

 

[rocketman]

mine hasn't been updated in ages, so that might be it.

all my ical calendars have gone!
I'm very glad I can boot back into my 10.4 backup.

Is this any help?
iCal, Mac OS X 10.5: Empty "Home" and "Work" calendars may appear after installing Leopard

 

[metalguru]

I pre-ordered it and it should have arrived this morning. Unfortunately, TNT say it's been "damaged in transit". Which means I won't get it until next week, and I'm in the office on Monday and Tuesday, so it's Wednesday.

I was thinking of cancelling the order and going out to buy it retail, but then I thought:

(a) "they'll probably sell out"
(b) "I hate fighting through Oxford Street on a Saturday"
(c) "Jesus Christ man, don't be such a fucking Apple geek, it's only a piece of fucking software you sad excuse for a human being"

I like the priorities of that a,b, c.

OSs are getting less exciting these days though. I was half thinking of trying to get hold of it this weekend, but after the guardian review http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/oct/26/leopardreview I couldn't generate much enthusiasm about it at all.

If time machine is the slow burn killer app...

 

[Lazy Llama]

More iCal/Address book strangeness. Most (but not all) of the birthdays in my address book went back by one day.

At least they've sorted out the date format in address book.

 

[rocketman]

This poll on the BBC Technology is interesting.
It may disappear.
It's an interesting illustration on potential future market share, but it is a concern if Microsoft - free of oversight - will force it's muscle to regain its lost monopoly. Encouraging Linux share too, though, I felt.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_vote_linux

Yes - I need new spots
21.69%
No - I'm happy with Tiger
6.34%
No - Linux is my OS of choice
12.43%
No - I'm a Windows user
59.54%

 

[editor]

This poll on the BBC Technology is interesting.

You reckon?

Yer average Windows users is highly unlikely to be interested enough to vote, so I can't see what's particularly significant about the figures - it's no more indicative of the real world market than an Engadget vote.

For reference, here's the OS breakdown of visitors to urban75.net from my server logs. Windows still rules the roost by a massive margin:

Windows 92 %
Macintosh 6 %
Linux 1.3 %

And urban75.org:
Windows 90.7 %
Macintosh 7.1 %
Linux 1.2 %

And - less accurately - urban75.com
Windows 90.44%
Macintosh 7.46%
Linux 1.67%

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I like the priorities of that a,b, c.

OSs are getting less exciting these days though. I was half thinking of trying to get hold of it this weekend, but after the guardian review http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/oct/26/leopardreview I couldn't generate much enthusiasm about it at all.

If time machine is the slow burn killer app...

Odd... the more I look at the previews, the more interested I am. As well as that, the back-end work is really interesting - 3rd party developers are going to be able to do a lot more.

The downside of this is that if you start developing with tools for 10.5, users with 10.4 are fucked. That's one of the issues with actually producing new frameworks I suppose. All of my G3 machines are fucked for a start, I'm going to have to keep them on Tiger.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You reckon?

Yeah, I don't think that's very representative. Much as I love me some Mac goodness, the idea that 22% of the population are going to be using Leopard... nah, can't quite see that.

 

[The Groke]

I have it running.


Installation was a breeze, but I have a disk image of my 10.4 install backed up on external drive just in case...

I it worth wiping and doing a complete re-install like with Windows or is an upgrade from the current version smooth and happy?


I reserved my copy from the local Apple store here in Dubai - he said they were coming in on the 29th....

 

[Crispy]

I upgraded, which went very smoothly - although there was a wait of about 5 minutes before my system HD showed up in the 'choose installation disk' thing.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

"Archive and install" or whatever it's called has always worked well for me with new OS X versions. There's not such a radical difference between them that there is with Windows.

Luckily here I'll be able to try it out on my Powerbook beforehand. I really can't be having my iMac hosed, that's my work machine.

 

[Lazy Llama]

I took a backup to a USB drive and did a full erase and install. When Leopard first boots in then lets you import your data, applications and settings from another volume. That took a little while, but worked pretty much flawlessly.

The only app I've had to reinstall manually was Little Snitch which completely borked.

 

[The Groke]

I took a backup to a USB drive and did a full erase and install. When Leopard first boots in then lets you import your data, applications and settings from another volume. That took a little while, but worked pretty much flawlessly.

Hm - I think I will go this route then - does it import your itunes library too?

I already have a Superdupa image of my Macbook on an external drive so I will use this......is always nice to have a spanky fresh install even if the upgrade path does work well.

The only app I've had to reinstall manually was Little Snitch which completely borked.

Hm - this will be the first thing I put on after the install......really don't want any of my "evaluation copies" phoning home.....

 

[Structaural]

Bought a 500gig HD for Timemachine yesterday (though I think I'll use it to clone 10.4) - still waiting for an 'evaluation' version to come down.

Anyone having trouble with any installed software? (I'm curious about how the CS3 suite works with it). Anyway back to Portal

 

[Crispy]

The disk I want to use for time machine currently holds the drive image of my 10.4 install. I think I'll wait a while before implementing it

 

[Structaural]

Spent a lot of last night, sorting out and cloning my main hardrive with SupaDuper, left Leopard to install overnight - had to create a 8gb partition to put the evaluation copy onto to install from (as it's 6.6gb and I've no dual-layer disks) using iPartition (quite nifty that was). Strangely it would only install on my cloned drive and rebooted into that partition.

Just loaded almost every big app at the same time - it seems to be coping fine and only iwork wants to update.

I didn't notice it was installed at first when I got up, it's not a big change is it? Though the icons seems much improved (movies showing a still as their icon is sweet) A few things seem broken (windowshade and labels) and Little Snitch had a moan, but everything else seems to be working fine especially Photoshop and Cinema 4d (my staples). I'll carry on and see what happens. I thought I'd be more excited than I am, but then I'm on the final boss on Portal hopefully I won't have to redo Bootcamp.

 

[jæd]

Spent a lot of last night, sorting out and cloning my main hardrive with SupaDuper, left Leopard to install overnight - had to create a 8gb partition to put the evaluation copy onto to install from (as it's 6.6gb and I've no dual-layer disks) using iPartition (quite nifty that was). Strangely it would only install on my cloned drive and rebooted into that partition.

One trick to know is to put the dmg onto an iPod. Depending on your cpu you'll need a firewire one for PowerPc, or an Usb one for Intel. Then restart and boot from the iPod. It knackers the iPod harddrive a bit, so don't do it too much.

I didn't notice it was installed at first when I got up, it's not a big change is it?

Yes... I thought that. It seems more Unix-like with inclusion of Spaces. Still playing around with Stacks... Putting your home directory in the dock appears to make navigation easier to select documents. Cover-flow looks nice, but I'm not sure how useful it is...

 

[lobster]

Yes... I thought that. It seems more Unix-like with inclusion of Spaces. Still playing around with Stacks... Putting your home directory in the dock appears to make navigation easier to select documents. Cover-flow looks nice, but I'm not sure how useful it is...

Do the Spaces act like the two decade old unix workspaces?

 

[jæd]

Do the Spaces act like the two decade old unix workspaces?

Pretty much...! Although its nicely integrated. There's no little map, but thats because the menu-bar is too small.

 

[Structaural]

Though F8 shows all the Spaces at once...

(I couldn't do the ipod trick - mine's only 2gb - I just restored the .dmg to a small partition and option booted from it)

I don't like the embossed type in Safari particularly. The dock is hardly a big deal (I use Quicksilver mostly), but it all seems a bit quicker - maybe utilising more cores. No problems so far (I did an upgrade install on a cloned drive).

 

[Lazy Llama]

I like the data detectors in Mail, so I can click the little drop down that appears next to the time in my flight confirmation email and it lets me add an event straight into iCal.

Spaces is very good, was using Virtue before and Spaces is a bit tighter integrated and is very fast for switching.

I don't like the little lights in the Dock which indicate when you have a program running, not nearly as visible as the previous triangles. And the new folder icons aren't very appealing, so I'm probably going to splash out on the new version of Candybar when that's released.

Not tried Time Machine yet as it needs an external drive bigger than the contents of your internal drive.

Got my first Apple update last night, fixing issues with Keychain.

Apps that I used which have had Leopard updates include Gizmo Project (SIP VoIP), TextMate, Quicksilver, VMware Fusion, Linkinus and Browseback

 

[The Groke]

Well, I am all Leoparded up!


Because I had some lingering Boot Camp issues from the Beta which were preventing me from using it, I went with the wipe+reinstall route, having used Supadupa to back everything up yesterday.


Installation was slow - especially the "verifiying DVD" bit (?WTF?) - but went smoothly.

As others have mentioned, I had to download the version 2 beta of Little Snitch, but other than that, my first wave of installed apps worked fine: Reason 4, Firefox, Toast Platinum etc.

Will see what CS3 does next - I can't imagine I will have any problems with Logic 8 at least!

I too am not overly keen on the new dock, but I do like the new Finder icons, especially the preview option. What is quite cool is that if your iTunes artwork is attached to each track, you can see the album cover as the icon for each MP3/4 when browsing.

Spotlight seemed much quicker and returned more useful results - was excellent within Mail.

Haven't really played with Time Machine yet as I am still importing all of my music from the disk which will end up as the Time Machine one.

Spaces works well - I like. Ditto for the Dictionary.

Overall it does seem quicker and smoother, but I guess that could be as much about the clean re-install than the OS itself....


This is the first OSX/Apple OS install/upgrade I have done since converting from Windows.......I was surprised and puzzled that there was no serial, security, authentication required for Leopard.....is this usual for Apple?

 

[Lazy Llama]

This is the first OSX/Apple OS install/upgrade I have done since converting from Windows.......I was surprised and puzzled that there was no serial, security, authentication required for Leopard.....is this usual for Apple?

Yes. None of the OS X releases have had any product keys, serial numbers, compulsory registration, only-get-upgrades-if-your-install-media-has-a-hologram etc.

If you buy the "family pack" to install on up to 5 machines, the actual media inside is the same as the single-user version, so it's an honesty option.

So either Apple don't care about the money (unlikely), or they've seen the benefits of extending a level of trust to the people who use their products.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Is it gonna be powerpc compatible or only intel...

 

[Crispy]

PowerPC is fine, but it has to be G4 or above - no G3 for leopard.

 

[jæd]

Yes. None of the OS X releases have had any product keys, serial numbers, compulsory registration, only-get-upgrades-if-your-install-media-has-a-hologram etc.

If you buy the "family pack" to install on up to 5 machines, the actual media inside is the same as the single-user version, so it's an honesty option.

So either Apple don't care about the money (unlikely), or they've seen the benefits of extending a level of trust to the people who use their products.

Probably more to do with being a hardware company... You aren't going to be running OS X on anything other than Apple hardware. (Yep, it can be run on 3rd party but no-one would realistically use it for anything other than hacking)

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

PowerPC is fine, but it has to be G4 or above - no G3 for leopard.

cool 2 dual g4s ...

 

[Structaural]

Yes. None of the OS X releases have had any product keys, serial numbers, compulsory registration, only-get-upgrades-if-your-install-media-has-a-hologram etc.

If you buy the "family pack" to install on up to 5 machines, the actual media inside is the same as the single-user version, so it's an honesty option.

So either Apple don't care about the money (unlikely), or they've seen the benefits of extending a level of trust to the people who use their products.

I used the same master disk to install on my macpro and my gf's new macbook (which should get a free upgrade as I only bought it last weekend *checks* - yep they're sending me it for free) without a hitch.

I'm liking it - I still havent' rebooted back into Tiger yet, Leopard just seems a bit slicker and prettier, but I haven't done anything serious with it yet. I loaded over 40 apps at the same time (mostly big ones like the adobe suite and FCP suite) and it coped really well - didn't even find anything pausing for disk swapping particularly, or it was pretty seamless.

Liking the Spaces and the stacks are pretty good for keeping an eye on the download folder. The way it handles movies is very much improved, they play much quicker and the icon is brought up much more speedily. No crashes or problems at all so far - need a few updates here and there - not sure about the new title bar font - it seems a bit too thin. Coverflow is interesting (but I keep thinking I'm in iTunes) and making the new icons really big - you can see how they are using vectors to make them - even at 400 pixels high they're still really smooth but only the new and update apps).

I think I'll evaluate for another week and then wipe my clone with time machine (which will be a clone of sorts I would think).

 

[Lazy Llama]

Coverflow is interesting (but I keep thinking I'm in iTunes) and making the new icons really big - you can see how they are using vectors to make them - even at 400 pixels high they're still really smooth but only the new and update apps).

Leopard handles icons of up to 512x512 pixels so they'll only start to go blocky above that. As that's a sizeable portion of screen, I doubt many people will have scaling issues.