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Legal rights at festivals.

First camping festival I'll be going to after July 1 will be WOMAD at the end of the month. That'll be an interesting one -- largely (though not completely ;) ) a well off/middle class clientele, festie on a new site with new layout .... if they can't/don't enforce the smoking ban there, it'll be hard going enforcing it at any festie I'd have thought.

Can't begin to imagine how it could be enforced at Glastonbury 2008. :confused: The July 1 date of the new law looks significant from that point of view ;)
 
Yup - if you go, you will find a working compromise, that is certain. :)

However, for festivals/events in Wales, things might be different again - the Welsh ban legislation has provision for making a whole event or area non-smoking for a specified period, indoors or out!
 
William of Walworth said:
First camping festival I'll be going to after July 1 will be WOMAD at the end of the month. That'll be an interesting one -- largely (though not completely ;) ) a well off/middle class clientele, festie on a new site with new layout .... if they can't/don't enforce the smoking ban there, it'll be hard going enforcing it at any festie I'd have thought.

Can't begin to imagine how it could be enforced at Glastonbury 2008. :confused: The July 1 date of the new law looks significant from that point of view ;)
If it's that unenforcable (ie, massive amounts of people getting fined and there are still reports coming in) then the council would probably just stop the festival. (:()
 
pogofish said:
Yup - if you go, you will find a working compromise, that is certain. :)

However, for festivals/events in Wales, things might be different again - the Welsh ban legislation has provision for making a whole event or area non-smoking for a specified period, indoors or out!

Isn't banning smoking at Glastonbury like banning football at the World Cup?
 
phildwyer said:
Isn't banning smoking at Glastonbury like banning football at the World Cup?

Which is why they have pushed most of the responsability for enforcement on to the licence holders themselves.
 
On Site Security and Stewards

The people who work for stewarding and security on site are there to make sure that the event runs smoothly and safely for everybody. When they confiscate things from you they have been told what is allowed and what isn't allowed by the festival organisers - so while we may think it's out of order when they take your things away - it isn't the fault of the person doing the searches. We agree that water should not be confiscated and neither should things that are then found on open sale in the arena - if this is an issue for you there is little you can do at the event - but if you want it to change then put in a formal complaint to the festival organisers and local authority licensing department - it's the only way that things will change.
The workers on site are often poorly paid and may have been working for hours in rotten conditions - we've read on other websites the lengths some people will go to to 'get one over' on security and stewarding - a really sad reflection on a few idiots hell bent on their own gratification as opposed to looking at the bigger picture which is to make the event safe and fun for everyone.

There have, however, been a number of complaints about the behaviour of certain security firms at certain events so we think it's important that you know a few facts and know what to do in the event that you come into conflict with security at a festival or event.

It really is wise to understand from the onset that whatever the rights and wrongs in any given situation these people have the ultimate power - that is - they can eject you from the festival and refuse you admission.

Security and Stewarding personnel will be in proper uniform and they will have clear identification, if you do get into any conflict with them at any time make sure that you make a note of their name and number. If there is conflict try and get contact details of any witnesses.

If you are arrested by security remember that they do not have the power of a police officer - they have the same power that we all have - that is they are using what is known as a 'citizens arrest'

The legal position on the issue of arrest, detention, the use of handcuffs and batons according to the ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) is thus:

Arrest - this is covered under what is popularly referred to as 'common law' or 'citizens arrest' effectively it is addressed under any person powers - there are two 'any person powers' and these are:

1. Any person may arrest, without warrant, anyone who is committing, or whom they have reasonable grounds to suspect is committing an "arrestable offence". (Note the term arrestable offence)
Where an "arrestable offence" has been committed any person may arrest without warrant, anyone who is guilty, or whom they have reasonable grounds to suspect is guilty of an offence.

2. Section 3(1) of the criminal Law Act 1967 states that a person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances, in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders. This power can be used by any person.

In addition to the above where you have an event on private premises the owners have the right to eject anyone who is causing offence or being a nuisance, again only such force as is reasonable can be used to do so.

This suggests two things -
1. Any person undertaking an arrest must be aware of what constitutes an 'arrestable offence' and
2. Any person undertaking an 'arrest' must also be aware of the law and what constitutes 'reasonable force' - this is not easy - recent cases concerning force used against burglars testifies to the minefield that 'reasonable force' incurs.

Of course - if the security personnel using 'any person power' is overstepping the mark the recipient of their attentions must therefore also be permitted to use their 'any person power' on the security personnel - thus quite a significant dilemma could ensue. However - it strikes us that there is an obvious power imbalance here and it takes quite a brave person to stand up for their rights in a situation where security is out in force, imposing and dressed like members of the SAS.

The use of batons
A baton is an offensive weapon by virtue of Section 1 (1) Prevention of Crime Act 1953, being specifically made for causing injury. Possession of such an item is not an offence where lawful authority exists. i.e. Police Constable on duty authorized by Chief Officer.
Clearly the possession of a baton is illegal - therefore if you observe security personnel in possession of such items we recommend that you take details and report them to the police.

Handcuffs
The possession of handcuffs is not prohibited by law. However, use of handcuffs amounts to an assault and is unlawful unless it can be justified. Justification can only be achieved by establishing a legal right to use handcuffs, and good objective grounds for doing so. Use of force must be reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

It therefore strikes us that security firms who are using handcuffs are treading on very thin ice and that the use of handcuffs against members of the public would, in most circumstances, constitute assault.

This being the case our advice to anyone who finds themselves detained and handcuffed by security personnel is to report the matter to the police - more importantly we strongly advise them to take legal action - the use of handcuffs by security personnel would (in our opinion) in most circumstances be illegal.

If you do find yourself in conflict with security on site we would strongly advise you to co-operate fully and do what is asked of you, if you feel they have overstepped the mark then as we said before try and get their ID and see if there are witnesses's who would be prepared to speak on your behalf. Make a note of the date and time the incident occurred. If an offence has been committed against you contact the police immediately - they have a duty to investigate. Of course we understand that you want to remain at the festival - but that might not always be possible depending on the severity of the situation.

Once away from the festival you may wish to follow up your complaint you can write to the festival organisers and to the local authority licensing department. Obviously if an offence has been committed you should report it to the police. You should also write to the head of the security firm concerned. If the incident is serious you may need to seek legal advice and if you have been injured seek medical advice immediately.


Of course we are assuming that you haven't been a plonker like those who get involved with the riots at Leeds and Reading year after year - if you behave badly and illegally then it's quite obvious that you're going to be dealt with - and if you think security are tough have a look at how the police quell rioters!

Sauce


Hmm does this mean if I see security with a baton I can perform a citizens arrest and have them thrown out?
 
For Freespirit. I am still not sure about the terms and conditions. How binding are they? They obviously cannot overrule laws and statutory rights. If someone sells you a festival ticket that stipulates you have to perform a service demanded of the staff, and the staff demand sex you have no bloody obligation to perform it.

I am not sure that terms and conditions trump your right to privacy. If they demand to search your tent because you look like you might be a drug dealer then threaten you with expulsion if you do not, this may be illegal duress to invade your privacy unwarrented. This is different to people who have been seen dealing, who are seen breaking the law, thats different. Im talking about just harrasing dreaded hippies because they are arseholes.
 
david dissadent said:
Sauce


Hmm does this mean if I see security with a baton I can perform a citizens arrest and have them thrown out?
erm I'd suggest that would be a very unwise course of action - you could however take a photo and go to the information tent, tell them you have a serious complaint about a member of security and need to speak to the production team, and let the production team know that a member of the security team is going round waving a baton. At any decent festival that member of security would be off site within the hour if he could be identified, unless the festival fence was under violent attack (or there was a riot onsite etc) and the baton was obviously for self defence.

Seriously the production team of any decent festival are 100 times more pissed off than you are if a member of the security team seriously oversteps the mark as that one person can undo years of hard work building up the reputation of the festival.
 
david dissadent said:
For Freespirit. I am still not sure about the terms and conditions. How binding are they? They obviously cannot overrule laws and statutory rights. If someone sells you a festival ticket that stipulates you have to perform a service demanded of the staff, and the staff demand sex you have no bloody obligation to perform it.

I am not sure that terms and conditions trump your right to privacy. If they demand to search your tent because you look like you might be a drug dealer then threaten you with expulsion if you do not, this may be illegal duress to invade your privacy unwarrented. This is different to people who have been seen dealing, who are seen breaking the law, thats different. Im talking about just harrasing dreaded hippies because they are arseholes.

the terms and conditions are a legally binding contract that allows you permission to access the site. If you break them you forfeit the right to be on the site regardless of the fact you've paid for a ticket.

btw your above link questioning the use of handcuffs seems to miss the point that the security have the right to use reasonable force to remove you from the site if you're breaking the terms and conditions (ie antisocial behaviour, kicking off, being a drunk twat, caught with drugs, refusing a search etc). If you then attempt to physically resist them in doing this then the use of handcuffs to prevent you assaulting them would IMO constitute reasonable force. They shouldn't be used if you're not resisting though. Some security do tend to er on the side of caution though and use handcuffs even if no resistance has been offered, and I'd think they would be on very dodgy ground.

You could well be right about the invasion of privacy angle if security were effectively searching tents at random, but IME that rarely happens, and would be pretty hard to prove if the security said they'd seen or heard or smelt something thet made them think you were in possession of illegal drugs and that's why they searched your tent. Also worth bearing in mind that a lot of the time the security when searching tents are looking for evidence that you've been nicking stuff from other people's tents, so if they've spotted you going between all your mates tents and opening them up to check if they're in / looking for something, don't be surprised if they come and ask what you're doing / search your tent in case you've been on the rob. This was what a lot of the increased security around the camping areas at glade was for last year as there'd been quite a bit of theft from tents the year before.
 
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