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It is quite clear from the post by nwmn above that (despite a kernel of truth about Livingstone and some of the rest of the left paying the price for the reactionary crimes of New Labour) that SWP/LL have now entered the Gerry Healey zone of self delusion and sectarianism. All they have to offer is more of the same - no serious questioning, no engagement with the political reality - and strangely for "Marxists" (or not so strangely given their history) no analysis of the balance of class forces, the material conditions and economic dynamic behind that political reality. No, just more of the same - fetishisation of "bwilliant" movementist activism (underlying which is their own usual preference for manipulating, controlling, draining and eventually choking off anything that they "prioritise").
Irrelevance. Decay. Decadence. Defeat.:rolleyes:

:D;) Lol.

Hopefully they will go the same way.
But I doubt it.
 
The Respect Renewal Response. Considering it is Galloway`s fan club which caused this debacle, I am amazed they have the gall to comment at all.




First thoughts on the elections
The local and London elections have been bad for the left and for progressive voters everywhere. The backlash against the Brown government, which many now feel has betrayed them on the economic and social fundamentals, has pushed Labour's share of the vote below the Liberal Democrats nationally.

In London, Johnson is now mayor, although the final margin after second preferences was lower than many predicted. Much worse, the BNP got a first seat on the Assembly. The Liberal Democrats also had a bad day in London, with their vote down substantially and it was a pretty mixed picture for them elsewhere.

For parties to the left of Labour, results were also generally poor with some notable exceptions, particularly but not only in Birmingham. In London the best results were posted by Respect with almost 60,000 list votes, 2.43%, but this was still below the deposit saving level and less than half what was needed to get a seat on the Assembly. The combined left vote, excluding the Greens, was only 3.61% on the list.

On the positive side for Respect, winning another seat on Birmingham council was a sharp ray of light. This now gives us all three councillors in Sparkbrook.

Another good result was both the constituency and list votes in East London, which clearly show we have built on our vote after a long period of internal difficulties. The constituency vote for Hanif Abdulmuhit increased by almost 7,000 from the 2004 result, taking into acount the vote for the list elsewhere in London, we had a total of 66,000 votes for Respect.

The local roots Respect has established in East London checked the forward march of the BNP. Without Respect East London could have begun to look like the 1970s with the BNP pushing into third place. Instead, Respect is one of the two major parties along with Labour in parts of Tower Hamlets and Newham, we beat the BNP on the list vote and pushed the Liberal Democrats into fifth place.

There was clearly a massive turnout in some parts of the Tory suburbs, a vote with some pretty nasty racist overtones following a campaign of vilification against Livingstone and his support for ethnic minority communities in general and the Muslim community in particular.

There is little for the left to be celebrating after these results. Many Labour voters will be rightly gutted at what has happened.

There will be many battles ahead against this big shift to the right. What we need to be doing now is regrouping our forces with a determination that the resistance starts here and starts now. George Galloway, Salma Yaqoob and Respect intend to be at the heart of that resistance pursuing the approach of building a plural left opposition.

We also want to give a big thank you to all the candidates and supporters who worked so hard during an election campaign which has been lots of fun.

Full list of Respect election results

London - City & East: Hanif Abdulmuhit 26,760 (14.28%)
London - list vote: 59721 (2.43%)
London - Tower Hamlets (Weavers): Dilwara Begum 637 (16.78%)
London - Tower Hamlets (Millwall): Reza Mahbob 170 (3.87%)
Manchester - Cheetham Hill: Kay Phillips 502 (14.4%)
Manchester - Moss Side: Ali Shelmanu 153 (5.8%)
Wigan - Atherton: Stephen Hall 222 (6.7%)
Birmingham - Aston: Abdul Aziz 1406 (19.6%)
Birmingham - Moseley And Kings Heath: Ray Gaston 327 (4.91%)
Birmingham - Nechells: Mushtaq Hussain 781 (17.34%)
Birmingham - Sparkbrook: Nahim Ullah Khan 3032 (42.64%) elected
Birmingham - Springfield: Salma Iqbal 1920 (24.84%)
Bradford - Manningham: Arshad Ali 395 (7.5%)
Walsall - Palfrey: Arshad Kanwar 304 (7.6%)
 
No but they beat the Socialist Alliance candidate, Councillor Flood, in Greenwich and Lewisaham. It seems that sometimes the influence and following of some of those lefties who get elected to local councils doesn't extend much beyond the ward they represent. So much for playing the Lib Dems game of "community politics", campaigning to save local hospitals, post offices, playing fields and bus stops.


depends if you consider the 'lib dems' game the act of working in the here and now to defend conditions in local areas where you have a base - through mobilisation of working people in those areas more important than the 'less lib dem' position (I must presume that is what you mean...) of standing in elections saying 'vote for me'.

It would be ridiculous to compare the approach of the left list to the Socialist party - almost as ridicoulous as comparing as comparing the Socialist party to the Lib Dems. They do have a base in a small area - they would not have put more effort or resources in than they would for local elections. The SA/SP do though get elected and re-elected which shows a solid base of support - in the absence of much else -thats a useful base to be able to start from in more favorable conditions - unlike nothing beyond a few votes. The idea that such votes represent a more solid base of support is a very foolish one
 
All they have to offer is more of the same - no serious questioning, no engagement with the political reality - and strangely for "Marxists" (or not so strangely given their history) no analysis of the balance of class forces, the material conditions and economic dynamic behind that political reality.

Indeed - the very fetisisation of elections they would have been the first to point ot in the 70s
 
nwnm wrote:

"The problem now is that everyone is going down with the ship. The Green vote is cut"

This isn't actually true. Our list vote went up, as did our mayoral vote and most of our constituency votes. Just not enough - we are bitterly disappointed not to have got Noel Lynch back onto the Assembly.

Matt

P.S. Sorry, don't want to mislead. Our percentage vote in the list did go down slightly (by 0.06%) but the absolute number of votes went up significantly due to increased turnout.
 
Sounds like they are flipping back to that as BA points out above

I wonder how they're going to get their dwindling band of followers to swallow that line. First there is no parliamentary road, then there is one, now there isn't again.

To maintain such changes in line would require an almost Orwellian degree of reality control.
 
Indeed. Anyway back to the rest of the world:

Protest against the BNP in the GLA
Youth Against Racism in Europe
Today, May 3 at 3:00pm
GLA building, City Hall (nearest tube London Bridge)
 
I wonder how they're going to get their dwindling band of followers to swallow that line. First there is no parliamentary road, then there is one, now there isn't again.

To maintain such changes in line would require an almost Orwellian degree of reality control.

Except that you are assuming a line that we never had and a change we are not going to make.

That there is no Parliamentary road to socialism was, is, always has been and always will be the SWP position.

That an electoral strategy may form part of a process of building a mass movement, that elected representatives could encourage militant activitity, and support for strikes has also always been part of the SWP view.

An electoral strategy will be likely to continue to form part of our activity for the years ahead. But change will not come through Parliament or the council chamber, but only through the mass activity of the majority (working class).
 
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Except that you are assuming a line that we never had and a change we are not going to make.

That there is no Parliamentary road to socialism was, is, always has been and always will be the SWP position.

That an electoral strategy may form part of a process of building a mass movement, that elected representatives could encourage militant activitity, and support for strikes has also always been part of the SWP view.

An electoral strategy will be likely to continue to form part of our activity for the years ahead. But change will not come through Parliament or the council chamber, but only through the mass activity of the majority (working class).

That sounds as though you're trying to have your cake and eat it, going with whichever option will allow you to grasp at power.

Either that or a simple wriggle.
 
Yesterday was a very bad day for the left. However the Left List results were abysmal even within that context. The reply from RESPECT/SWP shows an unbelievable degree of denying reality and not facing up to what has happened.

What have the IWCA said in response to losing two of their seats?

By the way Bromley is probably the most right wing borough in London and always has been. I can't see the left ever doing well there.
 
depends if you consider the 'lib dems' game the act of working in the here and now to defend conditions in local areas where you have a base - through mobilisation of working people in those areas more important than the 'less lib dem' position (I must presume that is what you mean...) of standing in elections saying 'vote for me'.

It would be ridiculous to compare the approach of the left list to the Socialist party - almost as ridicoulous as comparing as comparing the Socialist party to the Lib Dems. They do have a base in a small area - they would not have put more effort or resources in than they would for local elections. The SA/SP do though get elected and re-elected which shows a solid base of support - in the absence of much else -thats a useful base to be able to start from in more favorable conditions - unlike nothing beyond a few votes. The idea that such votes represent a more solid base of support is a very foolish one

Well, there must be something wrong if in local elections the SA can get 1,118 in one ward, 929 in another and 821 in a third (see http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2006/439/index.html?id=np5a.htm) but only 1587 in a wider election.
The conclusion I would draw is that the votes in the local elections are not votes for socialism or anything like that but votes for someone who will stand up and campaign for a better deal for the ward. Also, some of these votes seem to be mere anti-Labour obtained through some sort of deal with the Greens.
I think the IWCA have pursued the same sort of pro-working class "community politics" in Oxford.
The BNP seems to have adopted a similar strategy (with of course quite different long-term aim in view).
Not that I've necessarily anything against it but let's be honest and admit what it is: micro-reformism, trying to get a better deal for a small section of workers within capitalism. Which is what the Labour Party used to do in the olden days (or rather in ancient times) and as some Labour councillors still try to do, but soon get forced to break away and go it alone, eg Nellist, Councillor Page, the People's Socialist Party of Furness, etc.
 
:o

That sounds as though you're trying to have your cake and eat it, going with whichever option will allow you to grasp at power.

Either that or a simple wriggle.

The emancipation of the working class must be the act of the working class.

The aim of a political party is to group together the most class conscious workers with a view to organising to overcome the propaganda and centralised organisation of the capitalist class, not to assume power itself. Developing mass workers organition requires activity on all fronts - political (including elections), industrial (including trade union work), cultural.

Trade unions will not be the vehicle for change, but it is nonetheless essential that revoltuniaries work within trade unions.

The great jazz note that destroyed the walls of Jerico remains forever illusive, but cultural anti-capitalism is also essential.

Council and Parliamentary elections also.
 
elusive surely? illusive would mean it is an illusion (sorry if that was meant to be a clever postmodern pun)

mass movements are th eonly way forward I think
 
Millions of people across Britain will be shocked and horrified by the news that the fascist British National Party (BNP) has managed to grab an assembly seat in London—one of the most multiracial and diverse cities of the world. The BNP polled 5.3 percent of the London-wide assembly vote, as compared to 4.7 percent in 2004. Much of this vote came from suburban areas, especially the outer east London boroughs of Barking & Dagenham, Havering and Redbridge. While anti-fascist campaigning and the high turnout helped hold the Nazis back, it was not enough to prevent them from breaking through the crucial 5 percent barrier that guarantees a London assembly seat.

Elsewhere in the country the picture was similar, with the BNP making small advances that were nevertheless large enough to see them break into new areas, such as Rotherham, Nuneaton and Tilbury in Essex. Much of the blame for letting the Nazis in lies with the political and media establishment that has whipped up a storm of racism against Muslims and immigrants in recent years.

New Labour ministers have cloaked themselves in the Union Jack, parroted nationalist rhetoric about “Britishness” and joined in the chorus of right wing attacks on our multicultural society.They have lashed out at Muslims to find a scapegoat for their disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and lashed out at Poles to deflect anger at the poor housing, decaying public services and dismal wages that blight the lives of so many.

The fascists feed off this climate of despair—and they will grow further if the anti-Nazi majority does not stand together and stand up to their politics of bigotry and race hatred.The 100,000-strong anti-Nazi carnival organised in London by Love Music Hate Racism on the Sunday before the elections shows the potential for building such a movement. There is a proud anti-racist tradition in London and across the country—and that tradition needs to be activated in the coming months.

The left’s ability to make an impact in the London elections was hampered by the closely fought battle between Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone. While the media gave little attention to anyone apart from the two main candidates, many left voters were scared into voting Labour out of fear of a Tory victory. This squeeze hit the Left List. It polled just 0.92 percent (22,583 votes) in the London-wide assembly list and 0.68 percent (16,796 votes) in the mayoral election. It is undoubtedly true that the split in Respect damaged the left as a whole. It created confusion both in the campaign and at the ballot box, with both Left List and Respect appearing on voting papers.

Although the Left List’s London votes were disappointing, in areas outside the capital Left List candidates picked up some creditable results.In Preston Muktar Master won 37 percent in the Town Centre ward, while in Sheffield the Left List’s Maxine Bowler came second with 23 percent. Left List candidates won 15 percent in both Cambridge and Bolton, and polling 13 percent in Manchester. The best results came mostly in wards where we have stood before. This shows that where the left has been able to build a consistent base, it can find support at the ballot box.
 
So the reasons for the left's failure is because
a) The media focussed on Ken v Boris too much
b) the Respect split

Is that it?
 
The local and London elections have been bad for the left and for progressive voters everywhere.

This may be true in England (and among the left grouplets in Wales) but Plaid Cymru increased its tally of councillors to 205 (up 33).

Also the BNP made no inroads in Wales despite its biggest ever push.

Various "Old Labour" groups like Blaenau Gwent People's Voice won seats, another slap in the face for New Labour.

The Tory advance in Wales was largely down to independent councillors "coming out" in their true colours.
 
It should be mentioned Plaid made more gains in Wales than the Lib Dems did in Wales & England combined. And we are in a coalition with Labour running Wales...
 
So the reasons for the left's failure is because
a) The media focussed on Ken v Boris too much
b) the Respect split

Is that it?

I think that is basically it as far as the inability to come close to 5% yes. 1 is a given though. Without the split the vote achieved could have been double the combined vote and we would have an assembly member imo.

Of course if you were to ask why hope for only 5%, why could the far left not compete electorally with Ken & Boris then (1- establishment control of the media - is a given) you have to look at the broader picture and not just at the failure of the far left to get its act together.

Historically, the 'left' and working class aspirations being channeled by the LP and the TU bureaucracy is a key factor. The defeat of the militancy of the 70s, the defeats under Thatcher...
 
Yesterday was a very bad day for the left. However the Left List results were abysmal even within that context. The reply from RESPECT/SWP shows an unbelievable degree of denying reality and not facing up to what has happened.

What have the IWCA said in response to losing two of their seats?

By the way Bromley is probably the most right wing borough in London and always has been. I can't see the left ever doing well there.

I think that the IWCA, from the outside, and from what their supporters say, is based upon personalities.
 
Yesterday was a very bad day for the left. However the Left List results were abysmal even within that context. The reply from RESPECT/SWP shows an unbelievable degree of denying reality and not facing up to what has happened.

What have the IWCA said in response to losing two of their seats?

By the way Bromley is probably the most right wing borough in London and always has been. I can't see the left ever doing well there.

Haven't you been advocating a vote for Livingston due to his 'mass working class support' ? If so perhaps you should be explaining where this mass working class support went ?
 
Shame to see IWCA doing so badly, but it might be a case of chickens coming home to roost, hypocritical policies around anti social crime, and possibly half heartedly being sympathetic to Academy Schools!

You really think the New Labour success was a progressive left wing - protest vote against the IWCA? How is it on PLuto?
 
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