Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
SOunds like a fair question to me, and one that hasn't yet been answered.
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SOunds like a fair question to me, and one that hasn't yet been answered.
some good some bad - also some worrying bnp votes. Want to see what happens in london also. Also don't have percentage of voters to hand. If trad labour vote stayed away (as happened with the tories in 1997), we don't stand a cat in hells chance of presenting a left alternative to them. Also, public divorce with Galloway gave us little time to launch a creditable election campaign.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
ADAMSDOWN CARDIFF
Socialist Alternative 98
Liberal Democrat 891
Liberal Democrat 925
Welsh Conservatives 160
Labour Party 431
Welsh Conservatives 151
Labour Party 383
Wales Communist Party 66
The Left Party 55
CASTLE SWANSEA
Labour 1035 (33.5%)
Lib Dems 722 (23%)
Plaid 473 (15.5%)
Tory 380 (12%)
Socialist Alt 172 (5.5%)
Independant 133 (4%)
Welsh Communist Party 112 (3.5%)
Left Party 95 (3%)
These ones are genuine Life of Brian stuff. The combined left vote actually isn't that bad - 12% in Castle ward, ahead of the Tories and not far behind Plaid. But it's split three ways between the Socialist Party, the CPB and Respect-SWP. Why on earth are there three hard left candidates in these wards?
I suppose at least the Communist Party will be happy that almost alone amongst their candidates, these two didn't finish bottom of the poll.
Socialist Alternative 98
Liberal Democrat 891
Liberal Democrat 925
Welsh Conservatives 160
Labour Party 431
Welsh Conservatives 151
Labour Party 383
Wales Communist Party 66
The Left Party 55
CASTLE SWANSEA
Labour 1035 (33.5%)
Lib Dems 722 (23%)
Plaid 473 (15.5%)
Tory 380 (12%)
Socialist Alt 172 (5.5%)
Independant 133 (4%)
Welsh Communist Party 112 (3.5%)
Left Party 95 (3%)
These ones are genuine Life of Brian stuff. The combined left vote actually isn't that bad - 12% in Castle ward, ahead of the Tories and not far behind Plaid. But it's split three ways between the Socialist Party, the CPB and Respect-SWP. Why on earth are there three hard left candidates in these wards?
I suppose at least the Communist Party will be happy that almost alone amongst their candidates, these two didn't finish bottom of the poll.
left list
What do you expect? It was an election in wales
Haven't you heard the heckler on 'The Life of Brian' who shouts out "SOME OF US ARE WELSH!" People in this kneck of the woods are still arguing about the legacy of chartism.... Went to a meeting once entitled 'John Frost - hero or villain?'. The meeting broke up when the speaker jumped offstage and had punch up with someone in the audience
I am very sorry to hear that has been reversed. Still good % though. Congrats on Nellist result
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
This result is similar to the one last year. Two years ago the circumstances were slightly different in that the candidate was also a popular local doctor.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
London Assembly results for Bexley and Bromley, LL outpolled by 10 000 votes by the NF of all people!:
James Cleverly Conservative Party 105,162 51.83%
Alex Heslop The Labour Party 29,925 14.75%
Tom Papworth Liberal Democrats 21,244 10.47%
Paul Winnett National Front 11,288 5.56%
Ann Garrett Green Party 9,261 4.56%
Mick Greenhough UK Independence Party 8,021 3.95%
John Hemming-Clark Independents to Save Queen Mary's Hospital 6,684 3.29%
Miranda Suit Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 4,408 2.17%
Steven Uncles English Democrats 2,907 1.43%
David Davis Left List 1,050 0.52%
James Cleverly Conservative Party 105,162 51.83%
Alex Heslop The Labour Party 29,925 14.75%
Tom Papworth Liberal Democrats 21,244 10.47%
Paul Winnett National Front 11,288 5.56%
Ann Garrett Green Party 9,261 4.56%
Mick Greenhough UK Independence Party 8,021 3.95%
John Hemming-Clark Independents to Save Queen Mary's Hospital 6,684 3.29%
Miranda Suit Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 4,408 2.17%
Steven Uncles English Democrats 2,907 1.43%
David Davis Left List 1,050 0.52%
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Scary they can get 11,000 people out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
LL again outpolled by the NF, this time in City and East - GG's lot doing considerabky better:
The Labour Party 63,635 33.97% 31,553
Philip Briscoe Conservative Party 32,082 17.12%
Hanif Abdulmuhit Respect (George Galloway) 26,760 14.28%
Robert Bailey British National Party 18,020 9.62%
Rajonuddin Jalal Liberal Democrats 13,724 7.33%
Heather Finlay Green Party 11,478 6.13%
Thomas Conquest Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 7,306 3.90%
Michael McGough UK Independence Party 3,078 1.64%
Graham Kemp National Front 2,350 1.25%
Michael Gavan Left List 2,274 1.21%
John Griffiths English Democrats 2,048 1.09%
Julie Crawford Independent 701 0.37%
But a better LL tally in NE:
Jennette Arnold The Labour Party 73,551 37.17% 28,437
Alexander Ellis Conservative Party 45,114 22.80%
Meral Ece Liberal Democrats 28,973 14.64%
Aled Fisher Green Party 25,845 13.06%
Unjum Mirza Left List 6,019 3.04%
Nicholas Jones UK Independence Party 5,349 2.70%
Maxine Hargreaves Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 5,323 2.69%
John Dodds English Democrats 3,637 1.84%
The Labour Party 63,635 33.97% 31,553
Philip Briscoe Conservative Party 32,082 17.12%
Hanif Abdulmuhit Respect (George Galloway) 26,760 14.28%
Robert Bailey British National Party 18,020 9.62%
Rajonuddin Jalal Liberal Democrats 13,724 7.33%
Heather Finlay Green Party 11,478 6.13%
Thomas Conquest Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 7,306 3.90%
Michael McGough UK Independence Party 3,078 1.64%
Graham Kemp National Front 2,350 1.25%
Michael Gavan Left List 2,274 1.21%
John Griffiths English Democrats 2,048 1.09%
Julie Crawford Independent 701 0.37%
But a better LL tally in NE:
Jennette Arnold The Labour Party 73,551 37.17% 28,437
Alexander Ellis Conservative Party 45,114 22.80%
Meral Ece Liberal Democrats 28,973 14.64%
Aled Fisher Green Party 25,845 13.06%
Unjum Mirza Left List 6,019 3.04%
Nicholas Jones UK Independence Party 5,349 2.70%
Maxine Hargreaves Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 5,323 2.69%
John Dodds English Democrats 3,637 1.84%
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't think so, i think it's 4 nil to GG in the head-to-heads.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
There has never been a better time to be a socialist.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Myoral results coming in now - - LL on 1% in city and east:
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 94,921 (50.6%) +13.2%
Boris Johnson (C) 49,666 (26.5%) +8.1%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 12,724 (6.8%) -5.0%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 10,214 (5.5%) -0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 4,906 (2.6%) -0.4%
Sian Berry (GP) 4,817 (2.6%) -0.2%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,916 (1.0%) -6.3%
Lindsey German (LL) 1,851 (1.0%) -11.7% on Respect in 2004
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 882 (0.5%) (withdrawn)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 566 (0.3%)
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 94,921 (50.6%) +13.2%
Boris Johnson (C) 49,666 (26.5%) +8.1%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 12,724 (6.8%) -5.0%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 10,214 (5.5%) -0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 4,906 (2.6%) -0.4%
Sian Berry (GP) 4,817 (2.6%) -0.2%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,916 (1.0%) -6.3%
Lindsey German (LL) 1,851 (1.0%) -11.7% on Respect in 2004
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 882 (0.5%) (withdrawn)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 566 (0.3%)
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
LL seemingly the big losers there, down 11.7%.
What really concerns me is that the BNP vote is down only 0.2% so they seem to have held much of their vote.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
NE mayoral - LL on 1.2% behind BNP (1.9%):
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 96,402 (48.6%) +3.4%
Boris Johnson (C) 57,394 (28.9%) +9.3%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 19,641 (9.9%) -3.9%
Sian Berry (GP) 9,790 (4.9%) +0.4%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 3,776 (1.9%) -0.7%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 3,067 (1.6%) -0.6%
Lindsey German (LL) 2,310 (1.2%) -4.8%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,396 (0.7%) -4.3%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 820 (0.4%)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 482 (0.2%)
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 96,402 (48.6%) +3.4%
Boris Johnson (C) 57,394 (28.9%) +9.3%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 19,641 (9.9%) -3.9%
Sian Berry (GP) 9,790 (4.9%) +0.4%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 3,776 (1.9%) -0.7%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 3,067 (1.6%) -0.6%
Lindsey German (LL) 2,310 (1.2%) -4.8%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,396 (0.7%) -4.3%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 820 (0.4%)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 482 (0.2%)
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
On the bright side, it can only get better, can't it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Worst yet - 670 votes in total in the Bexley and Bromley mayoral:
Boris Johnson Conservative Party 122,052 60.08% 0 0
Ken Livingstone The Labour Party 40,670 20.02% 0 0
Brian Paddick Liberal Democrats 17,332 8.53% 0 0
Richard Barnbrook British National Party 8,950 4.41% 0 0
Siân Berry Green Party 3,830 1.89% 0 0
Gerard Batten UK Independence Party 2,904 1.43% 0 0
Alan Craig Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 2,884 1.42% 0 0
Matt O'Connor English Democrats 1,156 0.57% 0 0
Lindsey German Left List 670 0.33% 0 0
Winston McKenzie Independent 306 0.15% 0 0
Boris Johnson Conservative Party 122,052 60.08% 0 0
Ken Livingstone The Labour Party 40,670 20.02% 0 0
Brian Paddick Liberal Democrats 17,332 8.53% 0 0
Richard Barnbrook British National Party 8,950 4.41% 0 0
Siân Berry Green Party 3,830 1.89% 0 0
Gerard Batten UK Independence Party 2,904 1.43% 0 0
Alan Craig Christian Peoples Alliance and Christian Party 2,884 1.42% 0 0
Matt O'Connor English Democrats 1,156 0.57% 0 0
Lindsey German Left List 670 0.33% 0 0
Winston McKenzie Independent 306 0.15% 0 0
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Brent and Harrow Mayoral:
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 65,862 (41.6%) +1.9%
Boris Johnson (C) 61,825 (39.0%) +8.7%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 14,502 (9.2%) -5.8%
Sian Berry (GP) 4,075 (2.6%) -0.1%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 2,622 (1.7%) -0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 2,573 (1.6%) -1.0%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,341 (0.9%) -3.3%
Lindsey German (LL) 1,085 (0.7%) -2.0%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 589 (0.4%)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 469 (0.3%)
Havering and Redbridge Mayoral:
Boris Johnson (C) 87,302 (51.9%) +16.5%
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 45,915 (27.3%) -2.5%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 12,149 (7.2%) -4.5%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 9,563 (5.7%) +0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 2,957 (1.8%) -0.3%
Sian Berry (GP) 2,906 (1.7%) -0.5%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 2,537 (1.5%) -8.2%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 1,050 (0.6%)
Lindsey German (LL) 671 (0.4%) -2.2%
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 368 (0.2%)
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 65,862 (41.6%) +1.9%
Boris Johnson (C) 61,825 (39.0%) +8.7%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 14,502 (9.2%) -5.8%
Sian Berry (GP) 4,075 (2.6%) -0.1%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 2,622 (1.7%) -0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 2,573 (1.6%) -1.0%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 1,341 (0.9%) -3.3%
Lindsey German (LL) 1,085 (0.7%) -2.0%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 589 (0.4%)
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 469 (0.3%)
Havering and Redbridge Mayoral:
Boris Johnson (C) 87,302 (51.9%) +16.5%
Ken Livingstone (Lab) 45,915 (27.3%) -2.5%
Brian Paddick (L Dem) 12,149 (7.2%) -4.5%
Richard Barnbrook (BNP) 9,563 (5.7%) +0.2%
Alan Craig (CPA & Ch P) 2,957 (1.8%) -0.3%
Sian Berry (GP) 2,906 (1.7%) -0.5%
Gerard Batten (UKIP) 2,537 (1.5%) -8.2%
Matt O'Connor (EDP) 1,050 (0.6%)
Lindsey German (LL) 671 (0.4%) -2.2%
Winston McKenzie (Ind) 368 (0.2%)
Move to the right punishes New Labour for 10 wasted years
The whole political spectrum moved right in the local and London elections as voters punished New Labour for ten years of privatisation and warmongering.
The whole of the left is paying for New Labour's failure to defend its core working class voters. We now have a right wing mayor and a Nazi presence on the London Assembly.
Ken Livingstone is the biggest victim of this shift. But Livingstone also brought this defeat on himself. When he ran against New Labour as an independent after he was kicked out of the Labour Party eight years ago he won by a landslide. When he rejoined New Labour and fought his second election four years ago he got back in with a reduced vote.
But at the end of this campaign with its endorsements from Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Alistair Campbell, the City of London and with Tessa Jowell as his campaign manager, he has been beaten by the Tories.
Livingstone sought to bolster his election campaign by creating a huge cross party electoral block. The deal with Brown and Blair on the one hand and with the Greens on the other was the most publicised part of this process. But there was also a side deal with George Galloway and a nod and a wink to vote for the Liberal Democrats in Richmond.
The problem now is that everyone is going down with the ship. The Green vote is cut and Galloway's vote is below that in 2004 - and too little to win him a career-saving place on the GLA. Even the Liberals have failed to take anything significant from New Labour's decline.
Of course the Tory tide is the main reason for all this. But the rest of the left's attachment to Livingstone has prevented them from standing out as a clear alternative to Labour around which a minority could have rallied.
The Left List has managed to do this in some local areas but it was too recent an invention to make its full mark on the electoral process. In addition, the Respect name had been established over four years and many people who voted for Respect did so in error, believing that it was the old Respect.
The period opening up is in some ways like that at the end of the 1970s. Then a tired Labour government also paved the way for Margaret Thatcher by adopting anti-union, socially conservative agenda at a time when it was also attacking working class living standards.
What is necessary now is not a left that runs the line 'Labour at any cost' but a left that stands by working class people and struggles alongside them.
This will not necessarily be a primarily electoral struggle. It will be an industrial struggle, an anti-war struggle, an anti-fascist struggle and a struggle on many other fronts that we cannot foresee. This is especially true at a time when the extra-electoral struggle is not declining, as it was in the late 1970s, but rising. But there will still be an electoral dimension.
The Left List votes outside London showed some good examples of effective campaigning. In Preston we got 37 percent and missed electing a second councillor by 70 votes. In Sheffield we came second with 25 percent of the vote. In Manchester we won 12 percent and, in a newly contested ward, nearly 10 percent. In Cambridge and Bolton the vote was around 15 percent.
The Galloway operation in contrast has reduced itself to a local party in a couple of areas without even the pretence of being a national organisation. Galloway will not be able to win a seat in the general election if he cannot win more than 11.3 percent in East London. And although Salma Yaqoob's Sparkbrook ward returned another councillor the vote went down in the neighbouring Sparkhill and Kings Heath wards, both of which would need to see increased votes for her to win the whole parliamentary constituency of which they are a part.
The Left List does have serious trade union support and a nationwide presence. We must now use this to assist in the rebuilding of an alternative to New Labour that will not be derailed by the surge in Tory and Nazi support at the ballot box.
http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1930
The whole political spectrum moved right in the local and London elections as voters punished New Labour for ten years of privatisation and warmongering.
The whole of the left is paying for New Labour's failure to defend its core working class voters. We now have a right wing mayor and a Nazi presence on the London Assembly.
Ken Livingstone is the biggest victim of this shift. But Livingstone also brought this defeat on himself. When he ran against New Labour as an independent after he was kicked out of the Labour Party eight years ago he won by a landslide. When he rejoined New Labour and fought his second election four years ago he got back in with a reduced vote.
But at the end of this campaign with its endorsements from Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Alistair Campbell, the City of London and with Tessa Jowell as his campaign manager, he has been beaten by the Tories.
Livingstone sought to bolster his election campaign by creating a huge cross party electoral block. The deal with Brown and Blair on the one hand and with the Greens on the other was the most publicised part of this process. But there was also a side deal with George Galloway and a nod and a wink to vote for the Liberal Democrats in Richmond.
The problem now is that everyone is going down with the ship. The Green vote is cut and Galloway's vote is below that in 2004 - and too little to win him a career-saving place on the GLA. Even the Liberals have failed to take anything significant from New Labour's decline.
Of course the Tory tide is the main reason for all this. But the rest of the left's attachment to Livingstone has prevented them from standing out as a clear alternative to Labour around which a minority could have rallied.
The Left List has managed to do this in some local areas but it was too recent an invention to make its full mark on the electoral process. In addition, the Respect name had been established over four years and many people who voted for Respect did so in error, believing that it was the old Respect.
The period opening up is in some ways like that at the end of the 1970s. Then a tired Labour government also paved the way for Margaret Thatcher by adopting anti-union, socially conservative agenda at a time when it was also attacking working class living standards.
What is necessary now is not a left that runs the line 'Labour at any cost' but a left that stands by working class people and struggles alongside them.
This will not necessarily be a primarily electoral struggle. It will be an industrial struggle, an anti-war struggle, an anti-fascist struggle and a struggle on many other fronts that we cannot foresee. This is especially true at a time when the extra-electoral struggle is not declining, as it was in the late 1970s, but rising. But there will still be an electoral dimension.
The Left List votes outside London showed some good examples of effective campaigning. In Preston we got 37 percent and missed electing a second councillor by 70 votes. In Sheffield we came second with 25 percent of the vote. In Manchester we won 12 percent and, in a newly contested ward, nearly 10 percent. In Cambridge and Bolton the vote was around 15 percent.
The Galloway operation in contrast has reduced itself to a local party in a couple of areas without even the pretence of being a national organisation. Galloway will not be able to win a seat in the general election if he cannot win more than 11.3 percent in East London. And although Salma Yaqoob's Sparkbrook ward returned another councillor the vote went down in the neighbouring Sparkhill and Kings Heath wards, both of which would need to see increased votes for her to win the whole parliamentary constituency of which they are a part.
The Left List does have serious trade union support and a nationwide presence. We must now use this to assist in the rebuilding of an alternative to New Labour that will not be derailed by the surge in Tory and Nazi support at the ballot box.
http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1930
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
No but they beat the Socialist Alliance candidate, Councillor Flood, in Greenwich and Lewisaham. It seems that sometimes the influence and following of some of those lefties who get elected to local councils doesn't extend much beyond the ward they represent. So much for playing the Lib Dems game of "community politics", campaigning to save local hospitals, post offices, playing fields and bus stops.
Nwmn - "people who voted Respect did in error". This is crass and very wrong analysis. For Left List and Respect the election results were bad.
However, those in LL who predicted they would beat Respect in votes - need to wake up. As ever, the left needs to be united in order to go forward.
Those who are nowing saying vote New Labour to stop the Conservatives winning the general election are equally wrong but this is the logic of those who wanted Ken to win.
A sober assessment is needed not playground rubbish spouted by LL on these GLA results.
However, those in LL who predicted they would beat Respect in votes - need to wake up. As ever, the left needs to be united in order to go forward.
Those who are nowing saying vote New Labour to stop the Conservatives winning the general election are equally wrong but this is the logic of those who wanted Ken to win.
A sober assessment is needed not playground rubbish spouted by LL on these GLA results.
It is quite clear from the post by nwmn above that (despite a kernel of truth about Livingstone and some of the rest of the left paying the price for the reactionary crimes of New Labour) that SWP/LL have now entered the Gerry Healey zone of self delusion and sectarianism. All they have to offer is more of the same - no serious questioning, no engagement with the political reality - and strangely for "Marxists" (or not so strangely given their history) no analysis of the balance of class forces, the material conditions and economic dynamic behind that political reality. No, just more of the same - fetishisation of "bwilliant" movementist activism (underlying which is their own usual preference for manipulating, controlling, draining and eventually choking off anything that they "prioritise").
Irrelevance. Decay. Decadence. Defeat.
Irrelevance. Decay. Decadence. Defeat.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The usual staring reality in the face by nwm. And as prediced by me and many others, a terrible LL result will be followed by almost immediate withdrawl from electoral politics:
Handy like because the LL stood in all 14 Assembly constituencies and picked up a total of 33 407 at an everage of 2386, whilst the NF manage to pick up 41,374 from fewer constituencies.
Nwm is right in claiming that this is like the late 70s, but only in that his party has attempted to go it alone electorally and been absolutely walloped leading to withdrawl from electoral poltics and spitting blood at anyone else who didn't.
nwm said:
Handy like because the LL stood in all 14 Assembly constituencies and picked up a total of 33 407 at an everage of 2386, whilst the NF manage to pick up 41,374 from fewer constituencies.
Nwm is right in claiming that this is like the late 70s, but only in that his party has attempted to go it alone electorally and been absolutely walloped leading to withdrawl from electoral poltics and spitting blood at anyone else who didn't.
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