Left List Election Broadcast.

[Bakunin]

LOL!

More like

If the LeftList want to do better next time (if they are still around next time) they are going to have to learn the lessons of why they are going to fuck up at the election.

That would require the SWP CC to admit they're wrong.

Not going to happen.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

That would require the SWP CC to admit they're wrong.

Not going to happen.

When WILL the organised UK left wake up to the fact that the bnp are growing. Why do they always willfully shoot themselves in the feet everytime. LeftList (like Respect or the Socialist Alliance COULD have been contenders but endedup as fuck ups.

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Looked at the video and no-one is hot (muslim or otherwise) but didn't think it was that bad and certainly better than the BNP video.

It says something that some people on here would say that the pathetic BNP broadcast was good.

No not too bad looking a PPB. Could do with more policy detail combined with a greater emphasis on the local rather than the international, and should avoid the simplistic identity politics of the 'Left List looks like the population of London' sort; why buy into a politics that suggests there is some neccessary correspondence between skin colour and material interest (the SWP don't believe this so why promote it?)?

The biggest flaw in it (and it's even worse in the BNP's efforts) is the dishonesty regarding what the GLA and the Mayor can do; getting people to vote for policies (even if those policies are only vaguely sketched out) which cannot be delivered would seem to me to promote disillusion with politics rather than engagement.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[belboid]

the simplistic identity politics of the 'Left List looks like the population of London' sort; why buy into a politics that suggests there is some neccessary correspondence between skin colour and material interest

it's an interesting point this un', and not one I entirely disagree with you on, but....

For one thing, it's not just about skin colour - it's about having ordinary working-class people standing, peoples occupations are also part of the 'look'. Secondly, although their is obviously no direct link between peoples skin colour - or income, or class - and their politics, having a broader range of people standing is likely to mean that a broader range of people are getting their views heard as well. I mean, no one would want to have a city hall full of white-middle-class men, even if their politics were ace. And if a national (or semi-national, or whatever) organisation can't find a pretty good cross-section of the public to stand for them, then I would be suspicious of their ability to actually represent everyone, and their commitment to doing so.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

it's an interesting point this un', and not one I entirely disagree with you on, but....

For one thing, it's not just about skin colour - it's about having ordinary working-class people standing, peoples occupations are also part of the 'look'. Secondly, although their is obviously no direct link between peoples skin colour - or income, or class - and their politics, having a broader range of people standing is likely to mean that a broader range of people are getting their views heard as well. I mean, no one would want to have a city hall full of white-middle-class men, even if their politics were ace. And if a national (or semi-national, or whatever) organisation can't find a pretty good cross-section of the public to stand for them, then I would be suspicious of their ability to actually represent everyone, and their commitment to doing so.

All of which seems fair enough so why make any reference (apart from having them speak for themselves) to what the candidates look like?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[gorski]

Oh dear. Earnest, heartfelt and meaningful. And bad hair.

The Muslim lass is pretty hot tho, I might spend one of my 2ndary votes on this lot on that basis alone. Also, I have no idea who Tansy is, but yeah, that's bad hair - she's only a combover away from a Croydon/Essex facelift.

I mean, honestly...

Public floggings should be brought back for such horrific, scandalous exhibitions of irrationality...

When I think just how much flack women have got over their alleged overly emotional nature... [Yayks!!!!!!!!]

 

[d.a.s.h]

Why do they always willfully shoot themselves in the feet everytime.

Because there are some groups on the left with modest communication skills, reasonable resources, but crap ideas. And there are maybe one or two groups with good ideas but few resources and communications skills.

But there is no left wing group which has good ideas, good communications skills and sufficient resources all at the same time. If there was, you'd know about them.

 

[belboid]

All of which seems fair enough so why make any reference (apart from having them speak for themselves) to what the candidates look like?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

'look like' often refers to more than just their physical appearance tho, doesn't it? It is about their backgrounds etc, it's an easy shorthand (that also has the useful - in populist terms - meaning you refer to)

 

[cockneyrebel]

I sympathise with Louis Macs general point but think what belboid is saying is also true.

Also KBJ the BNP one might of been better than their last one but it was still very poor. I don't think the Left List advert was worse. But as you'll be glad to know that the BNP are backing your preferred candidate.

Aw, c'mon Cocker - Rania is pretty.

Is she? I thought beauty was in the eye of the beholder? I'm glad you think she is, I don't.

Maybe ask her out for a night in Preston, I'm sure she'd jump at the chance.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I sympathise with Louis Macs general point but think what belboid is saying is also true.

Also KBJ the BNP one might of been better than their last one but it was still very poor. I don't think the Left List advert was worse. But as you'll be glad to know that the BNP are backing your preferred candidate.

Boris has distanced himself from unwanted support from the bnp. Nice try at a smear though 4/10

 

[belboid]

they are still backing him tho, and you are still voting for him - the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-worker scum.

 

[cockneyrebel]

What belboid said. Doesn't it tell you something that the BNP are backing the candidate you support?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

What belboid said. Doesn't it tell you something that the BNP are backing the candidate you support?

I think that it immediately brings to mind the comparison between Boris and various Respectlets. Boris straight away distanced himself from the BNP and said that he didn't want those type of voters. Contrast this where Respect has been backed by MAB an offshoot of the quasifascist Muslim Brotherhood. I don't recall THEM distancing themselves from that backing.

Or maybe you yourself should ask just why is the bnp doing so well. What mistakes has the Left in its various forms (- piscine and non-piscine - both by its actions and the challenges to it by Blatcherism) made to make the bnp such a force. There have been mistakes they just need to be admitted and lessons learned.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I think that it immediately brings to mind the comparison between Boris and various Respectlets. Boris straight away distanced himself from the BNP and said that he didn't want those type of voters. Contrast this where Respect has been backed by MAB an offshoot of the quasifascist Muslim Brotherhood. I don't recall THEM distancing themselves from that backing.

Or maybe you yourself should ask just why is the bnp doing so well. What mistakes has the Left in its various forms (- piscine and non-piscine - both by its actions and the challenges to it by Blatcherism) made to make the bnp such a force. There have been mistakes they just need to be admitted and lessons learned.

I don't see how the lesson to be learned is vote Johnson?

Louis MacNeice

 

[cockneyrebel]

You're not getting the point. Doesn't it tell you something about BJ and his politics that the BNP support him?

 

[belboid]

I think that it immediately brings to mind the comparison between Boris and various Respectlets. Boris straight away distanced himself from the BNP and said that he didn't want those type of voters. Contrast this where Respect has been backed by MAB an offshoot of the quasifascist Muslim Brotherhood. I don't recall THEM distancing themselves from that backing.

Or maybe you yourself should ask just why is the bnp doing so well. What mistakes has the Left in its various forms (- piscine and non-piscine - both by its actions and the challenges to it by Blatcherism) made to make the bnp such a force. There have been mistakes they just need to be admitted and lessons learned.

you're avoiding the point rather largely here, aren't you? you are going to vote for a racist, homophobic, sexist piece of shit who wants to abolish the 'london living wage', close women's refuge's, and generally turn London into a fucking great joke. And you are calling on others to do likewise. You claim not to like Livingstne cos he is too close to some muslims, but then vote for an utter bigot! The hypocrisy is breath-taking. Or is it just stupidity?

 

[kyser_soze]

KBJ, I cannot believe that even as a Tory you'd be wanting to vote for BoJo - take that Ozzie spin guy away from him and he falls apart; he WILL be a disaster for a city as international as London, let alone one as multicultural.

Seriously - I can understand not voting for Ken, but Johnson's a shite Tory FFS! I'd take 'Shagger Norris' as a candidate over BoJo...

 

[Das Uberdog]

Maybe ask her out for a night in Preston, I'm sure she'd jump at the chance.

Wat?!

There's an illogical leap somewhere in that sentence (on top of the fact that Preston is possibly the worst night out in the United Kingdom... after Burnley).

Jeez young'un, you don't 'alf jump the gun.

Edit: Oh yeah, and "RACIST!"

 

[cockneyrebel]

I'd agree that because I don't find her attractive I'm a racist. No doubt.

But I still think you're putting yourself down. Go on, put a letter in Socialist Worker asking her out for the night.

 

[Das Uberdog]

The illogical leap being the presumption that I fancy her, you reject.

 

[cockneyrebel]

The illogical leap being the presumption that I fancy her, you reject.

And the conclusion from the above is that you've had a sense of humour bypass. I clearly have no idea of whether you "fancy" her or not, it was just a joke.....

You really come across on these boards as a pathetic bloke who is needlessly rude. Many posters have picked you up on it. I hope for your sake you're not really like it in real life.

 

[Das Uberdog]

lolzors - you still don't understand my sense of humour. Nor the lingue of the down 'yoof' and such.

'You reject' is, if anything, an affectionate term unless I'm using it explicitly abusively. Remember for next time... it just means I'm being condescendingly amiable.

 

[cockneyrebel]

lolzors - you still don't understand my sense of humour. Nor the lingue of the down 'yoof' and such.

'You reject' is, if anything, an affectionate term unless I'm using it explicitly abusively. Remember for next time... it just means I'm being condescendingly amiable.

The fact that you use the phrase "down yoof" shows that you're certainly not one. And I thought you were in your 20s, are you seriously suggesting you're still "yoof"?!

And it's not just this thread but loads of threads. You might think being needlessly abusive is funny, but to most people it will just make you look life a fuckwit. Yoof or otherwise.

 

[Das Uberdog]

I'm 18, dimwit (for the record that's not affectionate) - and only just at that.

teh omgz, I use teenage slang ironically! Seriously, when was the last time you even spoke to a young person?

 

[nwnm]

cockers can't - they're in the other half of the split <digs out copy of the life of Brian to whatch later....>

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Wat?!
... on top of the fact that Preston is possibly the worst night out in the United Kingdom... after Burnley....

You obviously haven't been to Accrington on a Friday night ...

 

[Das Uberdog]

Ok, that is conceded.

Barrow is also pretty dire.

 

[cockneyrebel]

I'm 18, dimwit (for the record that's not affectionate) - and only just at that.

teh omgz, I use teenage slang ironically! Seriously, when was the last time you even spoke to a young person?

My mistake I thought you were at university.

Whatever age you are you come across as a totally abnoxious sad case and many posters on here have told you that in one form or another.

As for your "I'm down wiv da yoof and use teenage slang", again you just reaffirm that you're a sad case. And luckily most people I speak to, young or otherwise, aren't like you, thank fuck.

Believe me you'll look back at you are now in a few years and cringe.

 

[Groucho]

Good broadcast I thought.

This one is more inspiring, gives very good reasons for voting Left List, but is not in anyway a Left List film (doesn't mention Left List or Respect. Ady Cousins though, who made this film, is a Left-List supporter. It is an ispiring account of the school strikes against the war.


"The police proper hurt me" - 15 year old anti-war protester.

Another Ady Cousins film. The anti-war march the police tried to ban...


From the school student protest on the day - kids protest the war, police attack the kids:

 

[nino_savatte]

Wait. No. That's rubbish. The BNP broadcast looked like it was scripted and produced by a teenager just getting used to his pirate copy of Final Cut. This looks far more professional - not surprising as it was made by a professional really. The message is far more consistent and there aren't any jarring moments where you think "that just doesn't fit".

It's a _dull_ broadcast mind you, it could have done with a lot more life to it rather than a load of talking heads (hello documentary maker!) but it's professionally dull.

What I noticed about the BNP broadcast was that it didn't actually seem to be about London or the mayoral contest. The shots of houses came from other parts of the country...as did most of the 'vox pops' (which weren't real).