Led Zepplin to play at Glastonbury 2008?

[danny la rouge]

nothing remotely like the experience we're discussing on Glastonbury threads.

Precisely. The experience you'd get at Glastonbury is an experience I don't want. And the reason I'm discussing it is that there's a thread.

 

[William of Walworth]

No-one's trying to make you go ...

 

[danny la rouge]

No, but I am being told off for discussing why I don't want to go. This being a discussion forum, and music being a matter of taste and preference, that sort of makes me want to discuss it a bit more.

 

[Firky]

You can pay for my ticket instead, dad.

 

[danny la rouge]

Just as soon as you replace that port you nicked with a similar quality vintage.

 

[Firky]

Shouldn't have left it where I'd see it, drunk

 

[danny la rouge]

Young people these days... no will power!

 

[William of Walworth]

No, but I am being told off for discussing why I don't want to go.

No you're not. You're being pulled up for posting inaccurate, indirect-impression stuff about Glastonbury -- newbie has posted his response and I agree with that.

This being a discussion forum, and music being a matter of taste and preference, that sort of makes me want to discuss it a bit more.

Again with the hints at being a brave martyr being subject to censorship and being banned from holding an opinion bollox. Post whatever opinion you like, but you can expect to get pulled up on it if you're posting false-impressionistic inaccuracies based on never having been ...

 

[Badgers]

I love Glasto but giving it a miss this year.

Not fussed about Led Zep as I was at the O2 but there are just too many factors against Glasto for us.

None really the fault of the festival.......

 

[danny la rouge]

Post whatever opinion you like, but you can expect to get pulled up on it if you're posting false-impressionistic inaccuracies based on never having been ...

But what are the inaccuracies I've posted? I did ask before.

Is it not true that it's expensive, for example?

 

[Random]

well you could, I suppose, but that's rather missing the point of a 5 day festival. Your thing in Glasgow sounds like any other gig to me, where you turn up, pay, consume and leave. Fine in its way, but nothing remotely like the experience we're discussing on Glastonbury threads.

Which chaaaaaanggeess your life, I suppose.

These 'non-consumerist' claims that are being made for the 'different' status of glasto possibly accounts for the touchiness of some people when glasto is criticised. Because these people seem to partly define their identity based on the fact that they go to glastonbury.

Face it, it's a consumer event like any other.

 

[danny la rouge]

Indeed.

 

[newbie]

what does 'expensive' mean? It costs about 40 quid to watch a London premiere football match, which lasts 90 minutes. A West End show costs about £50. The same sort of prices follow through for other major sporting or entertainment events. World class entertainment costs a lot of money, and whichever way you look at it, the lineup at Glastonbury includes some very top acts as well as all the others. And there are a lot of the others (into the thousands): bands, theatre, circus, comedy, films and kids shows plus an awful lot I simply don't have easy words to describe. Is £150 expensive by comparison?

That's just the obvious, mind, because it ignores what we actually go for, which is to immerse ourselves in enjoying each others company whilst forgetting about the trials and tribulations of the world outside. I'm sure that sounds like hippy bollocks, but so what, if you don't think it's true then explain why about 90% arrive on site (at least) 2 days before the formal entertainment actually begins (doors open Wednesday, bands start Friday).

 

[Random]

That's just the obvious, mind, because it ignores what we actually go for, which is to immerse ourselves in enjoying each others company whilst forgetting about the trials and tribulations of the world outside

Which rather raises the question of why you need to pay 300 plus quid to enjoy each other's company. Earning that kind of disposable income is surely guaranteed to add to your trials and tribulations.

 

[danny la rouge]

what does 'expensive' mean?

I've told you: it'd be £308 for tickets for me and the missus. Plus transport. Plus food. That's more than we spent on a 10 day holiday in Italy for 4 of us.

I wouldn't see a West End show for £50 either. And I certainly wouldn't go to a football match.

 

[newbie]

Face it, it's a consumer event like any other.

No.

Other consumerist events aren't organised such that about a quarter of everybody attending gets in for nothing because they're contributing in some way or other. Other consumerist events don't contribute hundreds of thousands of pounds to a wide range of charities. Other consumerist events don't have anything like the community involvements that festival does (there are loads of bits of the festival which are taken on by (mostly local) groups- a rugby club, school PTA, carnival club and so on. One of the property lockups is run by a village sub-aqua club). Can you tell me any other major event that compares?

 

[newbie]

Which rather raises the question of why you need to pay 300 plus quid to enjoy each other's company.

In the old days such festivals used to be free. We'd gather, we'd enjoy ourselves and then we'd leave. They made that illegal, they broke them up with batons. They forced an enormous raft of licensing and H&S legislation onto all gatherings which are very expensive to implement.
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[bouncer_the_dog]

the 'day pass' thing may be simple terminological inexactitude. No, you can't buy a ticket just for one day, yes you can come and go from site as you please. Mind you, it's a refreshing change from the more usual list of boring pickypicky by know-nothing outsiders (mud, cost, toilets, etc etc etc) .

I went to Glastonbury '95, '99, '02, '03, '04, '05, and 07. And I can conffirm that the mud is appalling, the cost a rip-off and the toilets horrid. I think its fair to say (Random) that people define themselves through the festival - I think I did. But Now I have completely gone off it. It was a cool thing to be associated with back in the 90s but really the unbearable hype surrounding it (thanks Radio One) combined with its complete sell-out has made it somthing I wouldn't want to be associated with any longer.

Actually being there when its a muddy year is horrific. It's basically the Somme without the death. This is due to Eavis' complete lack of development of the site and its timing at the wet end of June. Trudging around in 2007 was bad enough in the unsanitary conditions but when on two nights the stages running the main events (Bjork at the Other Stage and the Killers at the Pyramid) couldn't sort out their sound systems properly it was pathetic. Theses are the Headline acts ffS!

Actually getting there via a stupid registration, dreadful purchasing system and enforced bus travel was bad enough. The fact it cost a fortune just made it worse. Virtually any other festival would be more economically viable. For me this year a -cheaper- summer holiday will do. I'll be sitting next to the pool listening on the ipod to a few levellers live albums (if they exists). Think of me as you suffer the squits on a long drop in the rain as Led Zeps sound system fades in and out.

At least if Led Zep do play instead of IT geeks the festival will be populated entirley by old gits. They better stick zep on the Sunday because the place'll be empty ten minutes after they've played.

Expected replys:

"its not expensive i didn't spend any money and only ate rugby porridge"
"Eavis did work on the drainage in the lower field"
"its always sunny in June"
"Radio One have brought nothing but quality and integrity to the ethos of the festival"
"its your fault for going to the main stages you should have gone to the one run on bycyle power at the arse end of the festival submerged in 3 feet of mud to hear vegan banjo players"
"you have criticised Eavis and for that you must burn in our giant straw man"
etc etc

 

[Badgers]

Is it not true that it's expensive, for example?

Depends on how you measure it I suppose.

Assuming you have all camping gear already and you purchase no trinkets on site...

Basically say that it is £150 per ticket
Transport roughly £25 each (we drive)
Food budget of £5-£10 per day (£7.50 as an average)
Booze budget varies but lets assume £20 per day
For the Wednesday-Monday festival it costs my wife and I about £600.



If you simply take ticket price then you get camping and bands for about £25 a day. Pretty much the same price as many gigs you may go and see!

 

[Random]

No.

It's not really fair for me to continue. Sorry, newbie (and Wow?), I couldn't resist pushing it. I know, however, that when I criticise glasto you feel that I'm criticising you, your mates, your principles, etc. I'm really not. It's just a music event, it's not another world.

 

[Random]

"its your fault for going to the main stages you should have gone to the one run on bycyle power at the arse end of the festival submerged in 3 feet of mud to hear vegan banjo players"
"you have criticised Eavis and for that you must burn in our giant straw man"
etc etc

to be fair when i go i usually stay in the vegan bicycles areas. When i've gone down to the main areas it's looked like Exodus (biblical, not Luton) or something.

the Somme comment is spot on - one comedian i saw there said that people go to glasto go be able to compete with their grandparents as regards war stories

 

[danny la rouge]

[...] about £600.

If you simply take ticket price then you get camping and bands for about £25 a day. Pretty much the same price as many gigs you may go and see!

Well, I'd call £600 very expensive indeed. And I wouldn't pay £25 to see a band. Except maybe if Elvis rose from the dead and toured the UK. I paid £12.50 to see a band a few months ago and was mildly distressed about that!

 

[newbie]

criticise away, bickering about this is as good a way to occupy a boring tuesday morning as any other As I've tried to point out, for those who attend and contribute it's rather more than just another anything. But if all you know is what you see on the telly, bands on a stage, you can be forgiven for thinking that.

 

[Random]

As I've tried to point out, for those who attend and contribute it's rather more than just another anything. But if all you know is what you see on the telly, bands on a stage, you can be forgiven for thinking that.

you can try that one on with danny, newbs, but i've actually been to this shangri-la several times. And let's face it, for the vast majority or people who attend, 'bands on a stage' and drinking in a tent, is what the festival is all about.

 

[Badgers]

Well, I'd call £600 very expensive indeed. And I wouldn't pay £25 to see a band. Except maybe if Elvis rose from the dead and toured the UK. I paid £12.50 to see a band a few months ago and was mildly distressed about that!

I guess £25 is a bit rich but we have paid this for certain gigs (in fact Led Zep were a little more than this) in London.

£25 for camping + 5 bands = good value IMHO

 

[newbie]

you can try that one on with danny, newbs, but i've actually been to this shangri-la several times. And let's face it, for the vast majority or people who attend, 'bands on a stage' and drinking in a tent, is what the festival is all about.

you going in June?

 

[danny la rouge]

As I've tried to point out, for those who attend and contribute it's rather more than just another anything.

Great. I'm glad you enjoy it; I know thousands of people do. Wouldn't want to take that away from anyone. But you - and William - are suggesting I'm wrong about my conceptions. Which are: it is very expensive, it is often miserably muddy, the toilets are inadequate, etc etc.

I have been to outdoor festivals, and wouldn't do it again. I don't like camping, I don't like huge crowds, I don't like paying over the odds for bands I'm not interested in, and I don't like the catering. Just for starters.

Glastonbury is just a very big festival, is it not? One that many people enjoy, but nonetheless a big festival in the end.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

criticise away, bickering about this is as good a way to occupy a boring tuesday morning as any other As I've tried to point out, for those who attend and contribute it's rather more than just another anything. But if all you know is what you see on the telly, bands on a stage, you can be forgiven for thinking that.

I always find this argument hilarious. Glastonbury had the biggest tent in Europe at one point. The idea that if you go and watch bands on a stage at Glastonbury is somehow missing the point is bonkers! Its the biggest draw of the whole thing. Yes there is loads of other stuff to do - good. Pity its usually submerged in a quagmire though.

 

[Badgers]

I like camping but I also like a little bit of space around my camp-site.
Glasto has not been the best for this of late.

 

[Firky]

Depends on how you measure it I suppose.

Assuming you have all camping gear already and you purchase no trinkets on site...

Basically say that it is £150 per ticket
Transport roughly £25 each (we drive)
Food budget of £5-£10 per day (£7.50 as an average)
Booze budget varies but lets assume £20 per day
For the Wednesday-Monday festival it costs my wife and I about £600.



If you simply take ticket price then you get camping and bands for about £25 a day. Pretty much the same price as many gigs you may go and see!

I managed to do Glastonbury last year, including travel and ticket for less than £200 and I get shit faced drunk, high and well fed. There was two of us too! What the fuck are you doing?

OK one year I spent £500 on my own