Lebanon Elections - US support is 'kiss of death'

[rachamim18]

I should meet him or a drink? He lives in Mindanao? Anyway, tell him I am aDweck from Allepo and let us see who is talking to whom.Jews are no different in that we have poseurs and rauds. Anyone Jew calling himself by that name has mental problems, hands down. Simply examine this curiosity: We have 2 million Arabs who are full Israeli citizens who are able to live safely, wherever they choose. How many Jews live in PA lands? How many live safely? How many even have the option to love there....hmmm...Sapre me some kapo, if he is een Jewish.

The nation state is a 20th cenruy invention. Hmmm, guess someone forgot to tell that to all the nations who have existed for hundredsof years, or to those like mine which have succeeded their monarchist parents with thousands of years of histoircial context.

 

[ymu]

I should meet him or a drink? He lives in Mindanao? Anyway, tell him I am aDweck from Allepo and let us see who is talking to whom.Jews are no different in that we have poseurs and rauds. Anyone Jew calling himself by that name has mental problems, hands down. Simply examine this curiosity: We have 2 million Arabs who are full Israeli citizens who are able to live safely, wherever they choose. How many Jews live in PA lands? How many live safely? How many even have the option to love there....hmmm...Sapre me some kapo, if he is een Jewish.

The nation state is a 20th cenruy invention. Hmmm, guess someone forgot to tell that to all the nations who have existed for hundredsof years, or to those like mine which have succeeded their monarchist parents with thousands of years of histoircial context.

Suspicious Israeli cop demanding ID: When did you come to Israel?
Politically suspect citizen: I didn't. Israel came to me.

 

[rachamim18]

Stick to facts , and ignore meaningless jokes, and maybe you will begin to sund wise.

 

[Grandma Death]

Grandma (or whatever yo name is): I will ask you, as an adult, to address any imagined personal issues you have with me via PM. Unlike you, my life does not begin or end at a site where I hide behind a childish screename. If I hoped to evade something one would imagine I would post under a new i.d., not my birthname. While you were obviously waitng for me with baited breath, I was finishing my career in the army. Sorry if you felt underserved but I do suggest you get a life.

As for the rest, unless you talk of facts in direct relation to a specific thread in this specific forum, I will ignore you. If you do wish to talk of personal issues, feel free to PM me as I try and help even those that disparage my mother, religion, and ethnicity.

Oh but you are sorely mistaken. This isn't about 'personal issues' its about you debating with me back in Dec 2006-making claims you couldn't back up-and consistently kept promising the evidence to back up your claims for months. Until eventually you threw your toys out of the pram and went 'missing' for a few months.

You should be ashamed of yourself...at the very least embarrassed to show your face. You have been exposed as a liar and don't even possess the balls to prove this accusation wrong.

Will you at least accept you have been unable to provide the evidence to substantiate the claims you made 8 months ago?

 

[Grandma Death]

Try something novel, dispute me on facts.

What a fab idea. Please....if you will....

Provide me with proof that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring photos of rachel corrie.

Evidence please that Captain "R" sucessfully sued Uvda-and the trial is over.

The producers of Uvda in that same court case admitted their show on Captain "R" was 'pure fantasy'

What is your latest excuse for not providing me with the above?

 

[ymu]

Stick to facts , and ignore meaningless jokes, and maybe you will begin to sund wise.

Funny 'cos it's true, eh Rach? Ignoring the 22% Arab population of Israel, over half of the remaining citizens are first generation immigrants and you knows it.

And face it Rach, those pesky Arabs are breeding faster than all those elderly Americans who make aliyah in their twilight years. And the young Jewish kids? They're leaving in droves. Why stay, when the US will welcome you with open arms and you're not gonna spend your late teens and early 20s serving in the most amoral army in the world. Or go to prison, and lose their free university and the right to a decent job.

Even you can't be arsed to be there any more. It is OK to criticise Israel when you aren't there Rach - what a peculiar superstition that is. Even old Elie saw fit to relax that rule as he grew older and wiser. Maybe one day you will too.

Hypocrite.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Again, borderline personal but i will add this. You can easily embarrass me into submission by simply proving that I cut and paste. instead though, since you will never be able to prove a non-existent thing, try and confront me factually. I assure you, the truth is nothing to fear.

YMU: You to resort to ad hom nonsense when confronted with facts you are unable to deal with. Try something novel, dispute me on facts. Y Chromosomal Modalities do not prove we were here first? That we are the same Jews who founded both Israel and Judea? ?It does not prove Arabs come from Hejaz? All 3rd part histories do not prove these things as well?

As for weird secular Zionists, all Zionists are secular. Those with religious leanings are an abberation. the movement, as a modern movement, was created by Communists. If you ind the belief in sepration of Religion and State as something weird, I pity you. Personally, I feel religion is a personal issue that should not have any bearring outside of home or house fo worship.

I never said Jews were the only people to maintain a continuous presence anywhere. What I DID, and still say, and please despite this FACTUALLY, is that among existing people(s), only the Jews remain (of those who claim it as a homeland). The 1st Arab only entered history some 400 years before the Common Era/Christain Era.

The 1st Arab to enter our land was about 100 years before the Common Era, and then only as a Roman mercenary, based in what is now Syria. To live, the first entred with Khalifa Omar but even they did not settle. They disdained local women and culure. Only in the Crusader Era do you see settlement and even then, almost all present day "Palestinians" descend from Arabs who migrated to our land within the last 200 years,150 prior to Israel's REestablishment.

Even during the heaviest period of Jewish displacement, the Byzantine Era uunder Constantine, we stll rmeained on our land so that Tiberias, Safed, Caesaria, and yes, even Jersualem NEVER had Jewish minorities. WE never ceded our land.

Arabs though have NEVER had a nation there. They did not even consider themselves separate from all other Arabs until 1834, and even then most did not buy into that myth until 48.
My dad was a "Palestinian." Yep. Se, all people born within the UK Mandate had that false label affixed to their papers, birth certificates and such. Only in 48 did Southern Syrians begin calling themselves "Palestinian," and only in 54 did it become official within their owncommunity.

The word "Palestinian," or "Filastini" in local Arabic means "Phillistine." the Phillistines of course are the Sea People/ Phonecians of history. they were a prorp Greek people from Cerete. Their culture, if you really care, was proto-Mycanean. When Rome finally managed to put us under their boot after a vert bloody 300 year old war, they sought to humiliate us. Knowing we had already had our sacred Temple destroyed in the past, and that the event had not broekn us, they officialy renamed our land in honour of our direst ancient enemy.

If you ever make it to Rome, be sure to go see the Arc d'Titus. It is a commemoration of their plundering of our land. A plundering that included the razinf og 300 plus JEWISH villages..in of all places...in today's so called "West Bank!!!"

Prefer to call themselves "Palestinians?" Um, no. As a Jew whose humla is from Hebron 9currently still centred in Allepo due to Arab slaughter of our community in 1929) I can tell you that were you ro go to our nation and make that claim publicly, you might not last 5 minutes.

Even in the days of the Brits, it was despised label. A label put there by one colonialist and perpertrated by the British colonialists. In fact, you might be tickled to know that even Arabs hated it prior to 48. The first Arab to introduce it did so in 1922 and was almost killed for it before fleeing to Europe in exile. At thaqt time, and since the 1800s, they ghad opte for the title "Southern Syrian" and actively sought confederation with the soon to be free nation of Syria. After France dampened those lights of hope, they began to look elsewhere but did not decide on "Palestinian" until Jews could no longer be called by that anme, since there were now Israelis.

There's no way anyone would sit in front of a screen and type long-winded replies like this without having written them beforehand and then cutting and pasting them. You either have too much time on your hands or you have taken this text from somewhere else.

I will deal only with this, since the rest of your post is useless filler.

all Zionists are secular.

Rubbish. There are a number of religious Zionist parties in Israel and none of them would see themselves as "aberrations".

 

[ymu]

Rubbish. There are a number of religious Zionist parties in Israel and none of them would see themselves as "aberrations".

Noooo. Israel is as Rach says it is, Nino. It's a cog. diss. trick most Zionists have to get good at pulling off to avoid going insane with all the contradictions running around in their heads.

 

[nino_savatte]

Noooo. Israel is as Rach says it is, Nino. It's a cog. diss. trick most Zionists have to get good at pulling off to avoid going insane with all the contradictions running around in their heads.

Innit? I'd better go and wash my mouth out with soap.

 

[rhys gethin]

Another way of putting it, there is probably evidence saying that the Celts have settled in the UK for the past thousand odd years. Does that mean that the Celts have the right to force all Anglo-Saxons, Jamacians, Pakistanis, etc into economic hardship, taking the best land from them, and generally treat them as third-class citizens (like how Israel treats the inhabitants of the Occupied Territories). Of course it bloody doesn't.

There were never any people called 'Celts' in Britain or Ireland (though they spoke Celtic languages), and probably just as few Anglo-Saxons as Jamaican, rather fewer than Pakistani settlers. As in Occupied Palestine, the majority of current people are descended from the people who always lived here. The whole notion of 'nations' is used to justify American colonialism, and, rachamim resembles the nazi models of zionism in being full of bullshit 'science'. Judaism is a religion that converted all sorts of people from all over the place, and only where real genetics mattered - in the priesthood - would anyone sensible argue for some otherwise-fantasized 'genetic' purity. Anyway, what does it matter? The fantasy that your distant ancestors lived somewhere doesn't give you any right to steal it from its actual inhabitants, obviously. While AIPAC has the US politcos by the short and curly 'Israel' will be paid for and supported by the imperialists, and all this discussion is just decoration until the American electorate wakes up.

 

[ymu]

Parties that support the essentially Nazi idea of deporting all Palestinians from the country, have been part of our Knesset and our 'legitimate' political map since 1984. Recent opinion polls show that 35% of the Jewish public now supports this 'solution', as it is sometimes called. Leaders, Rabbis, and just plain folk feel free to call openly in the mass media to eradicate Palestinian cities with or without their tenants. Last weekend, Gen. (res.) Effi Eitam, fresh out of the military and all ready to take the leadership of the religious public and become a deputy or alternative to Netanyahu, received a flattering cover story on Haaretz supplement. He unfolded his chilling ideology, calling to expel those Palestinians who don't want to remain in the Galilee and West Bank as serfs, to Jordan, and from Gaza to Sinai. And he said this: why should us, the country poorest in land resources, bear the burden of solving the Palestinian problem? Well I don't know about you, but I remember some of the Nazi rhetoric in that dark period between the Kristallnacht of 1938 and the beginning of the war, when Jews were expelled from Germany but could find no safe haven anywhere else. When I see a retired IDF general and rising political star use the exact same Nazi rhetoric on Israel's most 'liberal' newspaper, without any criticism by his interviewer or the editors - my hair just stands on my head in horror.

Let's move from the political scene back to the ground. My friend, Captain (Res.) Dan Tamir, decided to refuse to serve in the Territories about a year ago, after he realized what he'd done as a reserve regiment's intelligence officer a few weeks before that. He realized he had laid out the plans to convert a large Palestinian town into a closed ghetto. You can find his full statement on our website, http://www.seruv.org.il/. The vast majority of Palestinians in the Territories now starve in such ghettos; in those days of mercy when they are allowed to leave them by foot and perhaps catch a taxi, these taxis are forbidden from using most of the paved roads in the region.

But why listen to a 'leftist'? Let's hear it from senior IDF officers. One of the top commanders in the Territories was quoted in Haaretz (Jan. 25) as saying that in order to prepare for potential battles in dense urban neighborhoods, the IDF must learn, if necessary, how the German army 'operated' in the Warsaw Ghetto. A week later, the reporter confirmed this quote and the fact that this is a widespread opinion in the IDF, and went further to morally defend it. A small number of people, including myself, tried to raise a scandal over this. One letter to the editor was published in Haaretz. A much tougher letter, which I wrote, was never published, nor was my plea for a phone discussion with an editor ever answered. The issue just died down. No one in Israel or in the Jewish public abroad was interested. Where were all these holy souls, who now scold Tikkun because they indirectly allude to the Nazi horror, where were they all when a senior IDF officer proudly called, "in order to beat the Palestinians, let's be Judo-Nazis"?

In my letter to Haaretz I went further. Knowing the IDF mentality and adding one to one, I concluded that the IDF is operationally prepared to invade refugee camps - an utter, indefensible war crime - and through this leak to the press it is starting to pressure the government and prepare the public opinion for the invasion. The letter was not published. It was sent on February 2. A few weeks later we all saw the horrors of the refugee camp invasions and the bloody revenge attacks that followed. And you know what? Army generals and colonels morally and professionally pat themselves on the back, because these invasions "prevented terror", and killed only dozens and not thousands. (Note: in fact, the major reason limiting the bloodshed was the 'terrorists' responsible decision not to turn the camps into all-out battlegrounds. But this may change in the next round.)

Let me end this 'Nazi' discussion with Jose Saramagu's brave statement a couple of days ago. In case you haven't heard (no such case, I presume), he visited Ramallah and said that the reality imposed by Israel in Palestine is a crime. A crime that can be compared with Buchenwald and Auschwitz.
Now Saramagu is no fool; he knows that there are no gas chambers in the Territories yet. But his keen writer's eye has perceived, that we are already well down the mental road that may lead there. This man is a true friend, and a true friend tells you the ugly truth in the face. Indeed, if you thoroughly brainwash yourself that "it's us or them", where does it lead you when push comes to shove?

Assaf Oron, Letter to American Jews

 

[Grandma Death]

There's no way anyone would sit in front of a screen and type long-winded replies like this without having written them beforehand and then cutting and pasting them. You either have too much time on your hands or you have taken this text from somewhere else..

Well it's one of the two things here. You will recall his prevarication over the unsubstantiated lies he posted in Dec 06. He-on several occasions claimed he would provide the 'readily available' evidence to back up his claims when he had the time. Citing his tours and hectic schedule preventing him from doing so. Yet despite all of this he still managed to post these huge long winded posts-an example of which you mentioned. So he's:

Either lying and did have the time on his hands-he simply couldn't back his facts up.

The lengthy posts are C&Ps.

Either way he's managed to make himself look rather silly I feel.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well it's one of the two things here. You will recall his prevarication over the unsubstantiated lies he posted in Dec 06. He-on several occasions claimed he would provide the 'readily available' evidence to back up his claims when he had the time. Citing his tours and hectic schedule preventing him from doing so. Yet despite all of this he still managed to post these huge long winded posts-an example of which you mentioned. So he's:

Either lying and did have the time on his hands-he simply couldn't back his facts up.

The lengthy posts are C&Ps.

Either way he's managed to make himself look rather silly I feel.

I noticed that he'd never replied to you. I reckon his lengthy posts are C&P but I also suspect that there may be more than one of them too.

 

[rachamim18]

Grandma: I will adress this, an issue from another year in another forum, just this once to clarify something. I stated, and still do, soemthing that the orgainisation in question ISM itself admitted to publicly in the same week that its Ramallah office was found to contain bomb materials and other weaponry. It falsfied photos and supplied them to Reuters. When Resuters uncovered the deception and publicised it ISM had no choice but to publicly admit their miral crime. do with what you wish, but this si not the forum for it and i cannot be botheres to even exchange views with someone that calls my mother a cun$, and that was probably the nicest thing you had to say. If you have some sort of mental deficiency, get help but leave your nonsense out of a forum and a thread that has nothing to do with it.

 

[rachamim18]

YMU: NO,noy immigrants in the sense that the very soil beneath their feet is literally made from their direct ancestor's bones. See, we never willingly left our land. We were persecuted heartlessly for a good thoussand years after the beginning of the CE/AD until the point where we sunk to the national minority. Still, many of us, like my father's family, never left our land so we never ceased to claim it as our own. When we finally became collectively strong enough to REestablish our nation, our brothers and sistres CAME HOME. Bit different. say, than a Pakistani immigrating to the UK,yes?

Actually, not many Israelis have anything to do with anything america. Currently, the prevalent region of origin for returning Jews is the former USSR.

You are quite correct that the Arab birthrate does outpace the avergae Israeli Jewish one but then you are ignoring another reality. The strongest growing demographic across the board is the Frum, or in Hebrew, the Charedi demographic. Their birthrate leaves the collective Arab one in the dust.

Add to that that most Israeli Arabs are loyal Israelis and the birthrate is of no consequence. It DID matter when we considered retention of the so called "Territories" but as you should know, we no longer have any desire for any part of those lands save for the 4 to 6% we are trading of the "WB" in exchange for 4 to 6% of Israeli Proper land.

You are certainly wrong about Jewish Israelis emigrating in droves. Quite laughable if you study the date, even without taking into account the 600,000 thousand incoming Jews rom around the world in the last decade. Emigration is level, and incoming Jews make it a non-issue.

IDF participation among 18 to 21 year old Israeli Jews remains at 75%, and much higher when you realise that non-military security apparattuses also use a percentage of the remaining 25%. We also have nearly 100% participation among Druse and Circassians, and 85% among Bedua.

I cannot be there? I retired after 24 years in the army with 2 major combat wounds, and have 3 kids currently in uniform. My wife, a convert, is from the Philippines and I had long ago promised her family that when we began making children, we would do it close to them. I have no living nuclear family (well some siblings but they are scattered throughout the world) so that it was a familiy consideration. You can bet your last shekel that if war should kick off again within the next decade at least, I and thousands of my borhters will be on the first flight home.

 

[rachamim18]

YMU: Why would you even imagine that I have a problem criticising my nation? I do so often and openly as all Israelis do. We thrive on introspection as we also thrive on actual facts as opposed to silly propaganda. Should you raise a rea;l issue, i will gladly chime in. A paticular fave is the fact that despite the best combat battalion being non-Jewish (Druse if you care), non-Jews are not allowed to serve in the IAF.. I find it criminal to be honest and have long said so. I have quite a list if you ever care to hear it. Just provide facts and will join. Provide propaganda nonsense and expect I will refute it.

Nino: Last time I respond to ad hom nonsense like the Cut and Paste garbage. Dispute me factually, and nowt what you imagine me or my lie to be.

Religious Zionists are a fringe element. Zionism was founded by communists. Not until Rav Kook the Elder did any religious Jews join the parade. they remain an influential but small minority.

Rhys: The Nazi allegory in relation to Jews is so passe. Try watering down your public school pseudo-intellectualism with a modicum of facts and maybe i will take the bait. Until then i cannot be expexted to even wade into your ad hom garbage. U75 has such great potential but it is filled with whining super liberalsLiberalism is a good thing, but not when it is wielded blindly, like a double edged sword.

Now no Celts ever lived in the UK. OK, got it. Bet you did not realise though that you made my case for me. Sure Nino will not touch that since it implodes a favorite tool of argument.

 

[nino_savatte]

Whenever anyone asks you a straightforward question or tells you that what you are doing is "evading the question" or "lying", you reply by accusing the other person of "ad homs". You're a coward, a bully and a hypocrite.

Zionism was founded by communists.

Are you seriously telling me that Herzl was a "communist"? You're not only a windbag and a liar, you're a fantasist too.

Dispute me factually, and nowt what you imagine me or my lie to be.

You don't understand such simple things as "facts". But "nowt"? That's a northern English saying for "nothing". You're not really who you say you are - are you? I know for a fact that Americans don't use "nowt" nor do many Israelis..none in fact. Care to explain?

 

[rhys gethin]

Rhys: The Nazi allegory in relation to Jews is so passe. Try watering down your public school pseudo-intellectualism with a modicum of facts and maybe i will take the bait. Until then i cannot be expexted to even wade into your ad hom garbage. U75 has such great potential but it is filled with whining super liberalsLiberalism is a good thing, but not when it is wielded blindly, like a double edged sword.

Now no Celts ever lived in the UK. OK, got it. Bet you did not realise though that you made my case for me. Sure Nino will not touch that since it implodes a favorite tool of argument.

Sorry to be so passe, and the word you want is 'analogy', I think. I am not into fashion, alas: the zionists imitated European racism, and the later ones imitated nazi colonialism and ethnic cleansing. That's fact, and doesn't change, does it, except in that they are now much more openly racist themselves? I don't understand the rest of what you say, perhaps because I never went to public school and was never anything but a revolutionary socialist. Do you know what 'ad hom' means? I see nothing in the above about your goodself, do you?

The point about populations is that - except where farming populations replace hunter-gatherers, often by transmitting their diseases - the original population is almost always largely ancestral to the current one. This is doubtless the case in Palestine, and the mixed bag of persons justifying their stealing the country on what must be religious grounds are of extremely various descent - not that it matters, since they have no claim to the land anyway.

 

[Grandma Death]

Grandma: I will adress this, an issue from another year in another forum,

When? More to the point-why once again are you trying to brush this off? Just provide the proof-it simple isn't it? You were the one who claimed it was readily available for all to see. Stop making excuses-just do it.

just this once to clarify something. I stated, and still do, soemthing that the orgainisation in question ISM itself admitted to publicly in the same week that its Ramallah office was found to contain bomb materials and other weaponry. It falsfied photos and supplied them to Reuters. When Resuters uncovered the deception and publicised it ISM had no choice but to publicly admit their miral crime.

Link?

do with what you wish, but this si not the forum for it and i cannot be botheres to even exchange views with someone that calls my mother a cun$, and that was probably the nicest thing you had to say.

Oh really? Nice diversionary tactic-make out to this forum I called your mother a cunt in order to cover for your lies. Am I going to have to wait another 8 months for you to provide the proof that I indeed labelled your mother as such? You provide the post...if you don't then I shall report this post to admin.

 

[editor]

... but this si not the forum for it and i cannot be botheres to even exchange views with someone that calls my mother a cun$, and that was probably the nicest thing you had to say. .

Where was this please and is it relevant to this debate?

 

[ymu]

When? More to the point-why once again are you trying to brush this off? Just provide the proof-it simple isn't it? You were the one who claimed it was readily available for all to see. Stop making excuses-just do it.




Link?



Oh really? Nice diversionary tactic-make out to this forum I called your mother a cunt in order to cover for your lies. Am I going to have to wait another 8 months for you to provide the proof that I indeed labelled your mother as such? You provide the post...if you don't then I shall report this post to admin.

He doesn't have a link. He knows perfectly well that photos taken from that day were published by ISM and represented in the mainstream press as being some kind of photostory. The fact is, they were on that action for hours that day and hours any other day - no way would they have enough film/batteries to shoot every movement of the army/bulldozers concerned. They didn't have a video camera in Gaza at all, and when someone is in the process of being crushed, evidence is not the first thing on most people's minds.

We do however have two soldiers convicted by Israeli courts of lying through their teeth after Tom Hurndall was shot. There was no exchange of gunfire, only shots from the watchtower. He was not in full combat outfit and carrying a gun - he was unarmed and in a bright orange jacket well known to signify ISM, as every photo taken in the aftermath clearly shows. One soldier was convicted for the killing, another for backing up his lies about the circumstances. Countless IDF chief brass got off scot-free (both soldiers insist they were following orders).

He is but a propaganda mouthpiece. Asking for sources is fruitless.

 

[Grandma Death]

Asking for sources is fruitless.

Then he should be banned. People shouldn't be allowed to post unsubstantiated lies on a forum to bolster their case...or indeed make up accusations of personal slander as rach has done.

 

[ymu]

Then he should be banned. People shouldn't be allowed to post unsubstantiated lies on a forum to bolster their case...or indeed make up accusations of personal slander as rach has done.

Mebbe. It's always going to be a grey area when he could dig up any number of malicious websites as "sources" for such rumours, however laughably biased and easily debunked. Technically, he can find a link as the accusations were made. He just won't be able to post a credible link, because the accusations don't fit the facts and ISM responded immediately and more than adequately.

I don't know about the timings of your spat, but if it was some time ago, he may also be reluctant to bring the soldiers subsequently (??) convicted of lying about Tom Hurndall into it. ISM don't have any form for lying about these things; the IDF have two soldiers convicted of doing so (it's vanishingly rare for them to get prosecuted, let alone convicted, for killing civilians whether or not they lie about the circumstances).

I like to think he does more damage to his cause going on the way he does and ignoring any factual challenge. That and obvious cut'n'paste epics with no attribution, or formatting his responses so badly noone reads them anyway.

 

[Grandma Death]

Mebbe. It's always going to be a grey area when he could dig up any number of malicious websites as "sources" for such rumours, however laughably biased and easily debunked. Technically, he can find a link as the accusations were made. He just won't be able to post a credible link, because the accusations don't fit the facts and ISM responded immediately and more than adequately.

I don't know about the timings of your spat, but if it was some time ago, he may also be reluctant to bring the soldiers subsequently (??) convicted of lying about Tom Hurndall into it. ISM don't have any form for lying about these things; the IDF have two soldiers convicted of doing so (it's vanishingly rare for them to get prosecuted, let alone convicted, for killing civilians whether or not they lie about the circumstances).

I like to think he does more damage to his cause going on the way he does and ignoring any factual challenge. That and obvious cut'n'paste epics with no attribution, or formatting his responses so badly noone reads them anyway.

Its not a spat (even if he tries to make it so) he made claims back in Dec 06 about Captain R. Since that time despite being pressed he has never provided one shred of evidence to back up those claims despite the claim he made the 'facts' are easily available on the net to find.

All he has provided for months was excuse after excuse then he threw his toys out and left the forum. Now he's back and not posting in the ME forum and hoped clearly this would go away.

He's sorely mistaken. He either provides the evidence or admits he was wrong to make the claims.

The claims:

Provide me with proof that the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring photos of rachel corrie.

Evidence please that Captain "R" sucessfully sued Uvda-and the trial is over.

The producers of Uvda in that same court case admitted their show on Captain "R" was 'pure fantasy'

 

[ymu]

OK - I can only see your demands, but if he made the claims they belong to and he can't prove them, he could be in hot water legally (ie if someone chose to act). There are serious accusations of the type that others have ended up in court over and he won't/can't link or retract, so it's pretty unacceptable to use urban as a platform.

Unwise, to say the least. ISM has done quite well out of damages.

BTW, there were never claims that I know of about the photos being doctored - just accusations that they were allowed to be taken out of context. The doctoring is a much more serious accusation and totally unfounded. I'll check the threads on "R", but it's no doubt more of the same. He's gone on Little Green Footballs or something and forgotten to put his "grown-up" filter on before repeating these as truth - or his fevered imagination filled in the gaps on some half-remembered detail.

 

[Grandma Death]

OK - I can only see your demands, but if he made the claims they belong to and he can't prove them, he could be in hot water legally (ie if someone chose to act). There are serious accusations of the type that others have ended up in court over and he won't/can't link or retract, so it's pretty unacceptable to use urban as a platform.

Unwise, to say the least. ISM has done quite well out of damages.

BTW, there were never claims that I know of about the photos being doctored - just accusations that they were allowed to be taken out of context. The doctoring is a much more serious accusation and totally unfounded. I'll check the threads on "R", but it's no doubt more of the same. He's gone on Little Green Footballs or something and forgotten to put his "grown-up" filter on before repeating these as truth - or his fevered imagination filled in the gaps on some half-remembered detail.

I spent the better part of an hour looking for the so called confession from the ISM leadership re: corrie photos. I e mailed several places including the Jeruselam Post-all of which stated no such confession exists.

The trial with Captain R and Uvda.

The only info I found was that the trial was still ongoing nothing to suggest litigation was successful or indeed suggestions that the producers of the show admitted at trial their section on him was pure fantasy.

Its one of 2 things he knowingly lied to the forum and now cannot back that up. Or he exaggerated to bolster his 'case'. Either way people like him shouldnt post such innacuracies and never be challenged.

Now he's even claming I slandered his mother-for which the post has been reported.

He will no doubt make his usual excuses or even stop posting for a while. I'd rather he admit he was wrong to make the claims than simply dodge the issue.

 

[nino_savatte]

Now he's even claming I slandered his mother-for which the post has been reported.

He will no doubt make his usual excuses or even stop posting for a while. I'd rather he admit he was wrong to make the claims than simply dodge the issue.

This is one of R18's common tactics: if he can't bludgeon and bully his way through this forum he will resort to baseless accusations. One of his favorites is to chuck "ad hom" at you in the hope that he can get you to leave him alone.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: I will respond one last time to your crap. Herz'l did not found anything. Try going back more than 50 years. As I said, no time for ad homs.

Editor: Gladly. It was in Mid East Forum, and that is where I hoped it had stayed. Sadly, the user of that delicate nom de jour has tried to start more nonsense here and fuunny that you would ask about relevancy to debate since I did not see you say as much when I have been tossed ad hom after ad home for how many days now? Even within this very thread of course, and as to relevancy, it is curious that the person who used mother,etc. is here for nothing else but to toss ad homs and you are posing questions of relevancy in my direction?

 

[rachamim18]

You know, i really have to laugh. this person claims to have spent an hour looking into ISM, and how many hours have they spent chasing me all over this site while calling me expletives i do not even ehar out of soldiers' mouths. Absolutely amazing, and very sad.

At the very least, try digging a bit deeper. If you care enough about a subject to use such filth against a person you have never met, then at the very least you should have the motivation to make sure your assertions about credibility and truth have a leg to stand on.

 

[TAE]

rachamim18, are you going to post the 'widely available evidence' or not?