Lebanon army takes on militants

[mears]

Mears youve got it
when can they all go back to Palestine?
where they are actually from

What does that have to do with the Lebanese treating these people with dignity and respect? Until they can go home we will force them to live in squalor, second class citizens, built in discrimination.

The Palestinian peoples should not be treated like barganing chips by the Lebanese and Egyptians.

 

[mears]

FI the israelis were "bombing the fuck" out of gaza it would be a little bit messier than it is.

What we're seeing is a somewhat measured response to rocket fire. It's targeted purely at hamas. Hence the use of guided weapons and not freefall bombs.

Is this guy moono really worth the time of day? I have tried to talk with him and its impossible.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Why, after all these years, are Palestinians still living in refugee camps in Lebanon? What the fuck is going on here?

Why are they not given the right of all Lebanese citizens? Why do they face such relentless discrimination?

With regard to education, Palestinians are excluded from Lebanese governmental educational institutions for higher education. Further, Palestinians are also finding it impossible to enter the government secondary schools.

"Restrictions on building and reconstruction in the camps contribute to the insecurity of Palestinians in Lebanon. They continue to live in indecent, semi-destroyed and unfurnished buildings. Rebuilding in the camps has been strictly and legally controlled, with severe overcrowding as a result. Today, between 150,000 and 200,000 Palestinian refugees live in 12 registered refugee camps that are prepared to accommodate 50,000 refugees.(11) The Lebanese state reluctance to absorb the refugees has led to the perpetuation of the refugee camps set in 1948 and 1967"
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/MEPP/PRRN/papers/haddad.html#The Palestinian Community in Lebanon

Why are these people still living in these camps? Why are they marginalized in Lebanese society? Why don't other countries in the region help these Palestinia refugees by taking them in and treating them with respect?

Do Palestinians matter only when they suffer at the hands of the Jews? Beacuse that is what it looks like.

Simply disgusting.

Can you say 'political football'?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Why am I unsurprised that you've read Bernard Lewis?

So what's supposed to be wrong with Bernard Lewis?

 

[mears]

Can you say 'political football'?

Yes, and there is much blame to go around in my opinion.Israel is to blame, the Palestinian leadership is to blame, the Lebanese government is to blame and Arab nations, who seem to care about Palestinian suffering only when it is at the hands of the jews are to blame.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Plus the Palestinians dont wanna move to Egypt they want to move back to what is known today as Palestine

)

I wonder what percentage of Palestinians alive today were born in the refugee camps.

 

[TomUS]

Why are anti israeli folks always so personal and unpleasant?

They're not always. But many are. It's similar to treatment you get from any extremists no matter what their flavor. Personal attacks are a way to avoid the points you make, to dismiss you. It's easy to sling insults. The best thing to do is to simply refuse to stoop to their level.

The Palestinian issue is a cause celebre among many on the left. It symbolizes the opression of third world people by the West. It is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, but has been blown way out of proportion to the point that it has become an industry.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They're not always. But many are. It's similar to treatment you get from any extremists no matter what their flavor. Personal attacks are a way to avoid the points you make, to dismiss you. It's easy to sling insults. The best thing to do is to simply refuse to stoop to their level.
.

And don't ever try to talk about the weather with them!

 

[moono]

Pro-Zionist nonsense always brings out the best in us.

What you have to come to terms with is that Zionism is in breach of international law. Now, I realise that that isn't important to pro-Zionists as the movement itself depends upon expansion and aggression, evidenced by Ben-Gurion's speeches and leadership. The pro-Zionist position is 'fuck the law', 'fuck the UN'. Peet has said as much recently.

So, the UN being a focus for the orderly and the sane amongst those of us who delight in legal solutions as opposed to force of arms, Zionism is a natural enemy. It's nothing whatsoever to do with jews, one always has to add in order to fend off the pro-Zionist witch-hunter with his oft-brandished tar brush. No, Zionism always intended to ethnically cleanse Palestine and that process continues today.
The excuses and deceptions are long and elaborate , i.e;

Peet;

It was a suggested stategy (ethnic cleansing )that never proved neccessary.

If they had have I could have sympathised. Arabs did start the war/uprising and encouraged palestinians to flee.

So, despite Ben-Gurion's well-documented insistences on 'brutal compulsion', and despite the weight of evidence that the Zionist terrorists embarked upon their program of ethnic cleansing just as soon as they occupied the territory in sufficient numbers , and with sufficient arms, the lie persists, sixty years later, that the Nakba never happened . Palestinians, the lie suggests, were 'encouraged ' to flee by Arabs.

Rachamim's lies are notorious, yet you'll find all of the posters above who trumpet Zionism's cause were keen Rachamim supporters, lending their misbegotten crap whenever necessary to prop up their Champion of Misinformation. Now they are re-emerging like rubber ducks. Lol.

Some examples of ethnically cleansed villages;

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/


"One Death Is A Tragedy; A Million Is A Statistic" (Nakba Day 2007)


The town of 'Ayn Karim, founded 2nd millenium BCE. Population 3180, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated by Zionists 18 July 1948.

Bayt 'Itab, 4th century CE. Pop 540, Muslim. Depopulated 21 Oct 1948.

Bayt Naqqubu, < late 19th. Pop 240, Muslim. Depopulated early April 1948.

Bayt Thul, < 1596 CE. Pop 260, Muslim. Depopulated early April 1948.

Bayt Umm al-Mays, <= crusade period. Pop 70, Muslim. Depopulated 21 Oct 1948.

Dayr Aban, Roman period. Pop 2100, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated October 19th-20th, 1948.

Dayr al-Hawa, unknown. Pop 60, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated 18 - 19 Oct 1948.

Dayr Rafat, unknown. Pop 430, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated 17 - 18 Jul 1948.

Dayr al-Shaykh, < 1596 CE. Pop 220, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated 15 Oct 1948.

Dayr Yassin, < 1596 CE. Pop 610, Muslim. Depopulated 9 Apr 1948.

Ishwa, < 18th CE. Pop 620, Muslim. Depopulated 16 Jul 1948.

'Islin, < 1596 CE. Pop 260, Muslim. Depopulated 17-18 Jul 1948.

Ism Allah, unknown. Pop 20, Muslim. Depopulated 17-18 Jul 1948.

Jarash, < late 19th. Pop 190, Muslim. Depopulated 19-21 Oct 1948.

al-Jura, < late 19th. Pop 420, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated poss 11 Jul 1948.

al-Lawz, unknown. Pop 450, Muslim. Depopulated 13-14 Jul 1948.

Lifta, <= Crusade period. Pop 2550, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated early Feb 1948.

al-Maliha, Biblical period. Pop 940, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated 13-14 Jul 1948.

Nitaf, unknown. Pop 40, Muslim. Depopulated early Jul 1948.

al-Qabu, Roman period. Pop 260, Muslim. Depopulated 3 Apr 1949.

Qalunya, Canaanite period. Pop 1260, Muslim, Christian, Jewish. Depopulated 11 Apr 1948.

al-Qastal, Crusade period. Pop 90, Muslim & Christian. Depopulated 9 Apr 1948.

Ras Abu 'Ammar, < late 19th. Pop 620, Muslim. Depopulated 21 Oct 1948.

Saris, < 1596 CE. Pop 560, Muslim. Depopulated 16 Apr 1948.

Sataf, < late 19th. Pop 540, Muslim. Depopulated 13-14 Jul 1948.

Suba, Persian period. Pop 620, Muslim. Depopulated 12-13 Jul 1948.

al-Walaja, < 1596 CE. Pop 1650, Muslim. Depopulated 21 Oct 1948.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/

Peet, one would expect, perhaps assisted by rubber ducks, will now produce his evidences of how these villagers were 'encouraged to flee' by Arabs. That's his claim. Now let the dog see the rabbit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So what's supposed to be wrong with Bernard Lewis?

If you have bothered to read further down the thread you'll have found out what I think is wrong with Bernard Lewis, won't you?

 

[Peet]

Is this guy moono really worth the time of day?

Evidently not

 

[CyberRose]

Peet, one would expect, perhaps assisted by rubber ducks, will now produce his evidences of how these villagers were 'encouraged to flee' by Arabs. That's his claim. Now let the dog see the rabbit.

If so, please can it be in a thread of it's own?!

Pleeeeease!

 

[Peet]

If so, please can it be in a thread of it's own?!

Pleeeeease!

I'm not going to get into that one. I'm sure there was a degree of displacement. So what? You start a war and there are consequences.

 

[moono]

Bottled it, eh peet ? Just make sure you don't attempt to pass on crap as fact again or I'll be resurrecting the challenge.

Fucking hazbara merchant.

 

[moono]

If so, please can it be in a thread of it's own?!

Pleeeeease!

This is the thread in which he deposited the crap. (#24 ) Where were you then ?

 

[CyberRose]

This is the thread in which he deposited the crap. (#24 ) Where were you then ?

I was hoping to discuss these latest events in Lebanon...

 

[nino_savatte]

Seems vaguely plausible but some of his story borrows from Fisk whom I trust as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat.

The language is also obviously slanted by ignorance or deception.

It is also Nicholas Blanford of the Daily Star who was taken for a ride by Hezbollah over the Qana bombing. Pinch of salt.

Says the man who bigs up Bernard Lewis.

 

[nino_savatte]

They're not always. But many are. It's similar to treatment you get from any extremists no matter what their flavor. Personal attacks are a way to avoid the points you make, to dismiss you. It's easy to sling insults. The best thing to do is to simply refuse to stoop to their level.

The Palestinian issue is a cause celebre among many on the left. It symbolizes the opression of third world people by the West. It is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, but has been blown way out of proportion to the point that it has become an industry.

I find this post a little too one-sided for my liking. Why? Because its overall tone suggests that our nationalist-Zionist friends play fair. They don't.

 

[CyberRose]

Latest developments:

Second bomb rocks Beirut - in a mixed but mainly Sunni area - Christian retaliation for Sunday's bomb? Or some other group trying to stir up unrest?

Palestinians offer to help fight Fatah al-Islam

Brief cease-fire on Monday broken

"Open ended" ease-fire called on Tuesday to allow aid workers in - ceasefire shortly broken

Not looking good, especially the Beirut bombs, altho the fact that everyone seems to be united against Fatah al-Islam is encouraging. What do you think Hizballah's position on all this is? Think they are just keeping well out of it personally.

 

[warren]

This is clearly the work of the ZioNAZIS such is their evil influence.

This has nothing to do with Fatah-al-Islam a new branch of the al-Qaeda franchise or Syria.

Every bad thing that happens in the World is because of the ZioNAZIS, they are worst than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If you have bothered to read further down the thread you'll have found out what I think is wrong with Bernard Lewis, won't you?

Why not just explain it in the post where you bring him up?

 

[mears]

This is clearly the work of the ZioNAZIS such is their evil influence.

This has nothing to do with Fatah-al-Islam a new branch of the al-Qaeda franchise or Syria.

Every bad thing that happens in the World is because of the ZioNAZIS, they are worst than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one!

Its good to employ a little sarcasm sometimes, otherwise things get too nasty around here.

Cheers

 

[mears]

If so, please can it be in a thread of it's own?!

Pleeeeease!

Maybe you should just ignore him.

 

[moono]

You don't much like the light, do you mears.

Perhaps, as a rubber duck yourself, you'd care to assist peet in explaining how Arabs 'encouraged' Palestinians to leave the villages listed earlier .

Or do you have enough bullshit of your own to post ?

 

[TAE]

Every bad thing that happens in the World is because of the ZioNAZIS, they are worst than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one!

I thought it was because of BinLaden, I mean Saddam, erm no ... Iran !

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is clearly the work of the ZioNAZIS such is their evil influence.

This has nothing to do with Fatah-al-Islam a new branch of the al-Qaeda franchise or Syria.

Every bad thing that happens in the World is because of the ZioNAZIS, they are worst than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all rolled into one!

Do fuck off, there's a good halfwit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why not just explain it in the post where you bring him up?

Because it wasn't necessary to, as I'm sure you know, you poor sad troller.

If you've read the thread (not that I actually give a damn) you'll know that I explain why a few posts on, and that the person who brought Lewis up partially agrees with my explanation.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Lets just agree that to some degree all of these major players in this fucking nonsensical shit are arseholes.

 

[Peet]

Lets just agree that to some degree all of these major players in this fucking nonsensical shit are arseholes.

I think the main lesson to be leaned from the middle east is never give power or influence or money to people with excessive facial hair.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think the main lesson to be leaned from the middle east is never give power or influence or money to people with excessive facial hair.

How do you gauge "excessive", though?

I mean, would Dennis Healy's eyebrows preclude him from power, would Jimmy Edwards' handlebar mousatche render him unfit to be trusted, or are we just talking about people who believe their holy book's injunctions against topiary-pruning?

And what about womens' 'taches?