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Leaving Neverland- Michael Jackson Paedophile Doc

Reno said:
I don’t see how anybody can state with certainty what music will survive. Frank Sinatra still gets played 70 years later and he would have been the Michael Jackson of his time.
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If I asked 15yr olds who Frank Sinatra is they'd more than likely say they've no idea. We are living in a time where music tastes change rapidly.
Ed Sheerin is king at the moment in many teenagers minds. He has broken records all over. Beat the Beatles...yeah I know that's really wrong.... but does anyone over the age of 30 think he will be remembered in 100 years?
 
Lupa said:
If I asked 15yr olds who Frank Sinatra is they'd more than likely say they've no idea. We are living in a time where music tastes change rapidly.
Ed Sheerin is king at the moment in many teenagers minds. He has broken records all over. Beat the Beatles...yeah I know that's really wrong.... but does anyone over the age of 30 think he will be remembered in 100 years?
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Is that the test, though? Isn't a better test to play them some Sinatra and see what they think of it?
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Teenagers are not the best people to ask about what music is likely to survive long term.
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MJ was "made" famous by teenage fans .. who now think he will be remembered in 100 years.
My point is that teenagers and young people attach to the music of their youth.
It doesn't mean that music is going to live forever.
 


This is still a great record for all Glitter's crimes. Like Glitter's music Michael Jackson's wasn't all his. It was as much the producers and musician's music. Do we through away Quincey Jones' great work just because MJ was a paedo?

Sadly the stories of stars and sexual abuse always turn worse than first thought. I'm sure it would have been handled differently today.
 
Lupa said:
MJ was "made" famous by teenage fans .. who now think he will be remembered in 100 years.
My point is that teenagers and young people attach to the music of their youth.
It doesn't mean that music is going to live forever.
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I don't agree. MJ became famous as part of the Jackson 5. Their appeal spanned the generations. That appeal stuck .He had his share of you young fans but a majority, nah. He had cross-family appeal.
 
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DJWrongspeed said:


This is still a great record for all Glitter's crimes. Like Glitter's music Michael Jackson's wasn't all his. It was as much the producers and musician's music. Do we through away Quincey Jones' great work just because MJ was a paedo?

Sadly the stories of stars and sexual abuse always turn worse than first thought. I'm sure it would have been handled differently today.
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He did the same song over and over again. And he looked like a dirty old man even then.

That said, it's the kind of thing I could imagine being played in snippets at cricket matches to get the crowd going if it weren't for its problems.
 
Rutita1 said:
I don't agree. MJ became famous as part of the Jackson 5. Their appeal spanned the generations. That appeal stuck .He had his share of you guys fans but a majority, nah. He had cross-family appeal.
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Sure...they were big...as the Jackson 5. He was the cute talented brilliant little child singer/dancer and he definitely drew more fans to the Jackson 5.
But...He made it in his own rite as "Prince of Pop", in the 80s...on his own. And he was absolutely transformed from anything resembling a Jackson 5 member by then.

Don't get me wrong. I loved MJ s music. And I thought he was a phenomenal entertainer.
 
Lupa said:
MJ was "made" famous by teenage fans .. who now think he will be remembered in 100 years.
My point is that teenagers and young people attach to the music of their youth.
It doesn't mean that music is going to live forever.
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Teenagers have no idea _now_ what is going to persist. They're the worst people to ask about it. They only know what they love right at this moment in time, and they have nothing to compare it with.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Teenagers have no idea _now_ what is going to persist. They're the worst people to ask about it. They only know what they love right at this moment in time, and they have nothing to compare it with.
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And that's exactly how The Beatles and Elvis did so well. And MJ and Gary Glitter and Bowie. Teenagers made them. Without teenagers they would not have made it. That was my point
 
Lupa said:
And that's exactly how The Beatles and Elvis did so well. And MJ and Gary Glitter and Bowie. Teenagers made them. Without teenagers they would not have made it. That was my point
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If you'd asked teenagers at the time you wouldn't have thought they would persist at all. Lots of other people were also really popular. The teenagers didn't know then.
 

Well... if you think these two quotes equate, then grand.
I see them as two very separate points.
Teenagers love Ed Sheerin. Thats why he's so popular right now.
In 25 years time the teenagers of today who loved Ed Sheerin will have memories attached to their favourite singer. And they will no doubt still think he was fantastic.
He isn't...in any way comparable with the people you or I might think are amazing.... but we are living with associated memories too.

And my point .. is that in 100 years time none of them will be remembered in the same way because general popularity during their lifetime is not the gauge of how long an artist's legacy lasts historically.
 
Lupa said:
And that's exactly how The Beatles and Elvis did so well. And MJ and Gary Glitter and Bowie. Teenagers made them. Without teenagers they would not have made it. That was my point
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I agree with fm, though. Teenagers make lots of people, many of whom eventually fade from view. A relatively random example that pops into my head from when I was young would be the Thompson Twins. Briefly they were very popular, made so by teenagers. Now?
 
The "do they know" videos on YouTube are very good, where they play kids, teens and oldies different music and see if they know it.
Coupla examples...




These videos are great, I have many a time got lost in a rabbit hole and an hour flies by
 
Lupa said:
If I asked 15yr olds who Frank Sinatra is they'd more than likely say they've no idea. We are living in a time where music tastes change rapidly.
Ed Sheerin is king at the moment in many teenagers minds. He has broken records all over. Beat the Beatles...yeah I know that's really wrong.... but does anyone over the age of 30 think he will be remembered in 100 years?
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You argue as if everybodys tastes are fixed in their teens and then forever stay the same. People still discover music later in life, I have. There also always is a minority of people who seek out retro stuff.

The teenagers I know think Ed Sheeran is naff. So much for anecdotal evidence. :p
 
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