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Lauren Booth licks Iranian Arse

Why are you reading that source in the first place. Is it a Langham style 'research' defence?

Pointing out that equally unpleasant articles exist on other websites doesn't suddenly give me a urge to start reading Stormfront to equalise the score, let alone carelessly link to them 'by accident.' Worries me that you've reading material and sources that you think are acceptable, and sources that you'd rather hide when visitors pop round.

I clicked on the link as it ws the least 'rah rah great for lauren booth' link that I could find in a short time available when I was putting the OP together.

I admit I picked the wrong link and didn't drill down enough.

Still think that Booth is highly misguided to take Tehran's shilling though.
 
"Hostile power" is politico-military terminology for an enemy power that has declared war on you, or that you have declared war on. It doesn't apply, and shouldn't be applied to people you have political and diplomatic disagreements with.

Alright then. A foreign power growing in hostility then.

You may not be worried about Iran and its ambitions but I and many others are. The sad fact is that Tony and Georges misadventure in Iraq has probably boosted the position of the Iranians in the region.
 
Alright then. A foreign power growing in hostility then.

You may not be worried about Iran and its ambitions but I and many others are. The sad fact is that Tony and Georges misadventure in Iraq has probably boosted the position of the Iranians in the region.
My worry about Iran and it's intentions is tempered by knowing that in the nuclear stakes they're many years from being bomb-capable, and that whatever their ambitions in Iraq, they'll be tempered by Turkish, Saudi and other (Sunni) influences who don't want a powerful Shia state.
 
Iran isn't a hostile power. We are not at war with them. How else do you define "hostile"?

Russia is also quite a big threat to the stability of Europe as is the USA - it'd be a good idea to stop trading with them, wouldn't it? Oh no - we can't!
 
My worry about Iran and it's intentions is tempered by knowing that in the nuclear stakes they're many years from being bomb-capable, and that whatever their ambitions in Iraq, they'll be tempered by Turkish, Saudi and other (Sunni) influences who don't want a powerful Shia state.

Aha, a realistic view then?
 
Iran isn't a hostile power. We are not at war with them.

Yet. I hope that the govt of Iran can be removed without damaging the people and hopefully by their own people.

Russia is also quite a big threat to the stability of Western Europe - it'd be a good idea to stop trading with them, wouldn't it? Oh no - we can't!

Russia is also a worry like Iran which is why one eye needs to be kept on what they get from us.
 
Yet. I hope that the govt of Iran can be removed without damaging the people and hopefully by their own people.



Russia is also a worry like Iran which is why one eye needs to be kept on what they get from us.

What makes you think we're going to be at war with Iran?
 
What makes you think we're going to be at war with Iran?

Maybe not open war yet but at war with Irans proxies. Its basically that someeone sometime is going to have to do someting about Iran sponsered terrorism. Up to apoint I agree with VP hopefully the Saudi's will reign Tehran ina bit but that is like using snake venom to cure a bee sting. The cure of an active wahabbist Saudi may be worse than a contained Iran.

My worry about Iran is that what they are not getting rom the democratic world re DUG items they are getting from the Chinese.
 
Maybe not open war yet but at war with Irans proxies.

My worry about Iran is that what they are not getting rom the democratic world re DUG items they are getting from the Chinese.

What proxies? Proxies like the Sunni jihadist terrorist groups the British and American government have been funding for "operations" in Iran?
 
Britain has an interest in the stability of the Middle East, its troops are going to be out of Iraq by July. I can't see any new military adventures being started for quite a while. Why on earth would it start bombing the fuck out of somewhere like Lebanon? Just to appease Israel? I don't think so. The days when Israel had a free ride are over.
If Iran was attacked it would start World War 3. Iran isn't some pathetic pariah regime like Saddam's Iraq or Zimbabwe. Calling for something like this basically means you are supporting the start of World War 3.
 
A lot of hardware being used against our troops in afganistian is labelled made in Iran . Wether its given or just sold is a matter of opinion but stopping the iranians doing this would be good .
 
Ive said before that the few Iranians I have known, have had quite a lot in common with the British. They are a nation that had much progress, 'glory' and empire in its past, and this has an effect on the mindset of the present - pride, a sense that they should be dictating events, a feeling that they deserve to be respected.

And I dont think they are all that much of a threat. Their government is capable of some pretty horrible rhetoric, for example about Israel, but I think their top priority is the survival of the regime. Survival is incompatible with wiping Israel off the map, if they attacked Israel then they would be in big trouble. Therefore I assume most of the anti-Israeli rhetoric is just about appealing to some of their own population, rather than a real indicator of their intentions.

I am not familiar with Press TV but I have seen a little Iranian TV in the past, its kind of funny because their propaganda is distinctly old school and unsophisticated by modern standards.

I also find it hard to mention the Iranian regime without thinking about what caused their revolution in the first place. If the Iranian leader we supported back in the day hadnt been so brutal, the fundamentalists would probably not of had the opportunity to seize power there. All the same Iran is not short of pragmatic moderates, the rhetoric of their current president may disguise this somewhat, but there is far more to Iranian society and power structure than the fundamentalists.
 
A lot of hardware being used against our troops in afganistian is labelled made in Iran . Wether its given or just sold is a matter of opinion but stopping the iranians doing this would be good .

a lot of stuff being used is also "made in US".

what's your point caller?
 
A lot of hardware being used against our troops in afganistian is labelled made in Iran . Wether its given or just sold is a matter of opinion but stopping the iranians doing this would be good .
Getting 'our' troops out of someone else's fucking country would be a better idea
 
Aha, a realistic view then?

I believe so. There's no mileage for the Sunni countries in a resurgent Shi'ism with a power-base in an Iran that's come out of isolation. It would mean worries for the Sunni ME and NA states insofar as they'd be paranoid about their Shia minorities getting uppity.
 
Ive said before that the few Iranians I have known, have had quite a lot in common with the British. They are a nation that had much progress, 'glory' and empire in its past, and this has an effect on the mindset of the present - pride, a sense that they should be dictating events, a feeling that they deserve to be respected.

And I dont think they are all that much of a threat. Their government is capable of some pretty horrible rhetoric, for example about Israel, but I think their top priority is the survival of the regime. Survival is incompatible with wiping Israel off the map, if they attacked Israel then they would be in big trouble. Therefore I assume most of the anti-Israeli rhetoric is just about appealing to some of their own population, rather than a real indicator of their intentions.

I am not familiar with Press TV but I have seen a little Iranian TV in the past, its kind of funny because their propaganda is distinctly old school and unsophisticated by modern standards.

I also find it hard to mention the Iranian regime without thinking about what caused their revolution in the first place. If the Iranian leader we supported back in the day hadnt been so brutal, the fundamentalists would probably not of had the opportunity to seize power there. All the same Iran is not short of pragmatic moderates, the rhetoric of their current president may disguise this somewhat, but there is far more to Iranian society and power structure than the fundamentalists.

right, and warfare isn't exactly going to do that society and power structure any good, is it? :rolleyes:
 
Wanna bet? I deal with the Iranians every day and I know just how fucking tricksey they are trying to get stuff they shouldn't have.

I'm saying no more than that on open board as I don't want to contravene certain laws that date from before the first world war :p

What are you saying here? That you work for the Defence Intelligence people?

If so, I'm extremely concerned that they'd employ a gullible fanatic like you.
 
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I also find it hard to mention the Iranian regime without thinking about what caused their revolution in the first place. If the Iranian leader we supported back in the day hadnt been so brutal, the fundamentalists would probably not of had the opportunity to seize power there. All the same Iran is not short of pragmatic moderates, the rhetoric of their current president may disguise this somewhat, but there is far more to Iranian society and power structure than the fundamentalists.

Well quite. The US and UK overthrew a democratically elected government to install a pilable dictator more favourable to their interests (US interests mostly, the UK spooks got screwed a bit on this one) That dictator then used torture to deal with political dissent. No wonder they're pissed off at the US and UK.
 
That reminds me ...

*goes off to vote for the frogster as poster of the year
 
Wanna bet? I deal with the Iranians every day and I know just how fucking tricksey they are trying to get stuff they shouldn't have.

:eek::eek::eek:

Er...you've gone too far this time, KeyboardJockey - how do you report comments to the moderator?

Try:

"I deal with jews every day and I know just how fucking tricksey they are trying to get stuff they shouldn't have" and see how you like it. :(
 
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