latest opera out and it's a corker

[GarfieldLeChat]

woot new opera has been released it now synchs you browser with your moblie and with any version of opera you have installed on any machine. It's much faster has a smaller memory foot print.

Firefox users take note this is what your browser will do soon (well as soon as some clever boffin has coded up and extension to do it too) so if you want to know what feature list you might soon be getting download opera now to see what you might get...

sadly it seems mouse gestures are turned off now by default and you have to turn them back on in prefferences.

any one else upgraded?

like it?

loath it?

 

[hiccup]

Just installed it and having a play around. Didn't have to switch on mouse gestures. Having the tabs at the top is a bit odd, but sure I'll get used to it.

EDIT: it does seem significantly quicker to load pages

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Just installed it and having a play around. Didn't have to switch on mouse gestures. Having the tabs at the top is a bit odd, but sure I'll get used to it.

EDIT: it does seem significantly quicker to load pages

tabs have always been at the top for the last few releases unless you had another skin where this wasn't compatible.

the new tab function is where i'd expect it but not where it was before i'm not sure i like it next to my page recycler though... you got the synch bar up at the bottom with the magnifier n the correct (expected) place now? or the fit to page width button up? that's a sensible feature (this site isn't coded well but it's designed for a certain screen res or page size becuase we have no idea of usiblity so click this button to view the page as the fist of ham coder intended it to look rather than how it really looks...)

 

[hiccup]

Gosh it's really quick you know.

 

[ChrisFilter]

I've been really, really disappointed with every previous version of Opera, always preferring Firefox, so I don't think I'll even bother this time. If it ain't broke!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

then you're missing out it's so very quick really...

 

[kained&able]

Yay opera. Tis bloody speedy!

That validate code type button loks handy as well.

I really like th way you can sync your book marks up as well. Thats a touch of class.

Ohh and the ability to create your own srach engine type thing. Class.


dave

 

[dweller]

bit of a mindboggler how the icons have all changed colour,
even if I put skin back to windows standard the favourites folders are all dark grey, odd.

just need to get used to it - I heart opera

 

[Wintermute]

fuck me it's fast, isn't it?

 

[dweller]

i have still got one really annoying opera problem,
on the previous version I would change the default search to google.co.uk,
after a while it would always switch back to google.com

now I'm trying to change the default to google.co.uk but the "ok" button in the dialog box in preferences is
unpressable so I cannot change it at all,
anyone else have this problem or a solution for me?

edit:
I fixed this = if anyone cocks it up let me know and I'll explain.

 

[dweller]

oops

 

[hiccup]

i have still got one really annoying opera problem,
on the previous version I would change the default search to google.co.uk,
after a while it would always switch back to google.com

now I'm trying to change the default to google.co.uk but the "ok" button in the dialog box in preferences is
unpressable so I cannot change it at all,
anyone else have this problem or a solution for me?

I had a go. My OK button worked, but now I've changed the Google search address to http://www.google.co.uk, my Google search box won't work. And I can't remember what address was in there before (it wasn't just Google.com, it was longer and more complicated). Bugger.

Edit: fixed it.

 

[DG55]

Opera mini... is pretty good, and free!

The only thing I dont like is how you have to have Opera on your desktop/laptop for it to syncronise, Opera desktop is a bit pants really. It would be great if there was a Firefox extension to syncronise with Opera Mini.

 

[dogmatique]

Arghh! Don't make me go back again!

Just when I was getting used to Firefox.

Looks nice, but unless there's an Ad Blocker for it, I don't think I can go back to the "noisy" internets again...

 

[Firky]

I had the prerelease beta version for the last four or five months and its more or less the same. Still doesn't like AJAX

 

[dogmatique]

Yeah, despite the improvements, it was the compatibility problems that pushed me to take up Firefox fulltime, and I don't think I'll be changing back because of this release - other than the last minute skin change, there's very little difference to the beta, ie, lots of shit still don't work in Opera.

 

[kained&able]

How does it do on the acid test and stuff like that??

dave

 

[dweller]

Yeah, despite the improvements, it was the compatibility problems that pushed me to take up Firefox fulltime, and I don't think I'll be changing back because of this release - other than the last minute skin change, there's very little difference to the beta, ie, lots of shit still don't work in Opera.

the natwest banking site works now which is a bonus.
so they have improved compatibility.

I'm narked that there is this weird new toolbar at the bottom which sort of pops up a few minutes after being on a page and everything you're looking at shifts a centimetre, quite distracting.

 

[dweller]

another glitch I've noticed is that the mini icons that sit next to your bookmarks entries have all turned to stars instead of their individual icons.
This makes it much harder to quickly click on that recognisable icon....

 

[dogmatique]

Apparently it's quite easy to switch back to the classic skin. Not sure what this toolbar thingy is you're talking about. Though I ain't given it a chance yet.

If you want to see some painful flip-flopping about Opera, you could always wince and read this awful thead I started a while back.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I love peopel who go on and on and on about compatiblity like it's operas fault that coders are too lazy to entrenched in M$ coding practices to build standards compliant websites and this is in some way releated to how the browser is supposed to render inaccurately coded sites.

Would you think it the fault of the dictionary if a forginer with limited english skills mangled up asking the way to buckingham palace...

again opera is the only standards compliant browser out there none of the others avaible commercially or free does more to implament web standards code stnadards and accessibltiy (or useablity for that matter).

Firefox is good very good even better when you consider it's free but until they make the geko engine work propperly with all forms of css with all forms of xml with all forms of Javascript and obey coding conventions as laid out by the w3c then they aren't worth a toss... regardless of the bells and whistles you can plug in to make it do what opera does natively...

If ajax doesn't work in Opera then the code is wrong if a page doesn't work in opera then the code is wrong it's that simple.

 

[ovaltina]

Downloaded this last night. It's quick and looks good (I like the black bits) but it ended up in some sort of crash loop. Will uninstall and try again as it's quicker than Firefox.

 

[dogmatique]

I love peopel who go on and on and on about compatiblity like it's operas fault that coders are too lazy to entrenched in M$ coding practices to build standards compliant websites and this is in some way releated to how the browser is supposed to render inaccurately coded sites.

I don't - and shouldn't have to care who's fault it is that sites don't work in Opera. If it happens too often, I'll use another browser which does work. End of story I'm afraid.

 

[kained&able]

Downloaded this last night. It's quick and looks good (I like the black bits) but it ended up in some sort of crash loop. Will uninstall and try again as it's quicker than Firefox.

I had oe of them last night with a job agnecy webiste reed.co.uk.

Most annoying. I actully had to use ie to browse the site.


dave

 

[Wintermute]

How does it do on the acid test and stuff like that??

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

83/100

Safari 3.1 (Win) does 75/100
FF 2.0 (Win) does 53/100
IE 7.0 (Win)... doesn't render a page where I can actually identify a score I think it's 12, but the overall impression is one of considerable fail.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I don't - and shouldn't have to care who's fault it is that sites don't work in Opera. If it happens too often, I'll use another browser which does work. End of story I'm afraid.

then you are with all respect foolish. you are insisting that taking the spear out of your leg isn't possible because you can't afford to get blood on your trousers because you might need them for an important meeting ...

AGAIN and I guess until people understand the fundamental problem here...

IT'S NOT THE BROWSER BUT THE SITE.

if it doens't work and you need it to email them and ask why is your site not Standards complient why do you think that disabled or limited access users are of less BUSINESS IMPORTANCE than your other clients?

If it won't work propperly in opera you can guarentee it won't work properly for any sight/text readers, so that's all the blind internet users out the way then as you say you don't care about them. you're alright jack...

in essence what standardiseation is attempting to do is set the minimal level of access for websites before they are ever put up so there is a defacto standard. This means that everyone get's the same level of service be they on dial up or on mega corperate big bore pipe....

to say that you'll ditch it because it won't work is odd because the product you are viewing is in reality the thing which doens't work...

 

[Sunray]

Its neither the sites fault or the browser fault and that is the crux of the problem.

The unfortunate issue is that the JS/HTML/CSS combination is difficult to get working just right anyway. Its muddied with the undeniable fact that IE and Firefox don't follow the W3C standards properly. People code to those standards but also with an eye on browser compatibility. No point in coding a website that no browser can display, even if its perfect xhtml/css. If something breaks the site for firefox (name/id issues) then it gets fixed but that might make it fail on Opera.

When IE8 is out and everyone moves a step closer to full standards compliance then this area will become less of a problem.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Its neither the sites fault or the browser fault and that is the crux of the problem.

The unfortunate issue is that the JS/HTML/CSS combination is difficult to get working just right anyway. Its muddied with the undeniable fact that IE and Firefox don't follow the W3C standards properly. People code to those standards but also with an eye on browser compatibility. No point in coding a website that no browser can display, even if its perfect xhtml/css. If something breaks the site for firefox (name/id issues) then it gets fixed but that might make it fail on Opera.

When IE8 is out and everyone moves a step closer to full standards compliance then this area will become less of a problem.

fingers crossed...

 

[fen_boy]

Joel writes a good piece on this.

 

[dogmatique]

If it won't work propperly in opera you can guarentee it won't work properly for any sight/text readers, so that's all the blind internet users out the way then as you say you don't care about them. you're alright jack...

What on earth are you drivelling on about? I quite clearly said that as a consumer I'm only interested in sites being viewable. I'm well aware that there are a myriad of standards issues, but the bottom line is that people will use the browser which works with the vast majority of sites, not one that falls over repeatedly due to being a stickler. Now, apparently, that means I don't give a shit about blind people.

Twisted, hysterical logic, that.