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Johnny: Mariah is looking a wee bit better, espeically after she splurged on that silicone down around the chest. Nick Cannon seems to like them is all. In any event you can always have your poor man's version in her older sister who is a heroin junkie with AIDs who sells it for 20 US on Long Island...Ahhh, the world we live in!


As for the Jewish Right of Return. It is like this: Barring any kind of dangerous mental disorder or criminal conviction against a third person, you are automatically awarded citizenship, the other 2 exeptions only require a case by case considerarion.

"Denying Black Jews.": You are making a common mistake. No black Jews have ever been debied. There is a CULT, founded by an American black busdrivedr from Chicago who after trying Liberia on decided real quick that he might like Israel just a tad bit better.

In the very late 1960s a group of these American Blacks moved to D'monah which is a small town in the Negev Desert. They kept to themselves as their faith proclaims them the original Jews and we other Jews to be "devislish imposters."

Israel denied them Right of Return and then blocked their obrtainment of Employment Authorisation Cards and other state services and this of course led to years of playing the race card despite most Israelis being a dark skinned People.

In 1980 I believe it was the famed US Civil Rights crusader Bayard Rustin sadly took up their cause and finally made his way to Israel. After a very long and investigative process he determined without a doubt that racism was NOT the cause of the difficulties faced by the D'monah group who was by then calling themselves "The Black Hebrews."


The members of the group refused to pay taxes, have been charged with masive child abuse ases, and so on although as time goes on one sees some of the community moving tawrds traditional Judaisim, as with the Black Hebrew member who won on Eurovision and then prposed to his Israeli girlfriend, believe his name was Eddie Butler. He is now moving towards Orthadox Conversion and so it goes...one way or another they become Jewish more and more.
 
Reply To Editor:

Editor:"Seeing as how Rachamim is in the mood to lecture members on how the boards are to be used...": Lecture? Talk about Defencive Posturing! I will never presume to practice pop psychology but you surely would be good for at least a week of rainy afternoons.

Notice, if you will, because I certainly do not wish to be seen as "lecturing" yet again...how it was you who took issue with my calm and concise explanation to a poster who first raised an issue with me. I do realise that this would never be a concern to you, nor would the vile and disgusting insults that serve as "banter" on your watch but of course am all too familiar with your seeing my explaining just WHY I posted in the manner in which I did as some sort of grandstanding or some such other trivial nonsense.


As for YOUR OPINION that I might condense my posts so as to "make it easier" for SOME of our other posters, well that is you and that is to be expected. Tell me, what benefit would you see from a link to the article provided wihich offers absolutely no context or bachground whatsoever? For my small effort I like to imagine that anyone who red this thread with a halfway open mind would have learned about an entiely new group of people, their way of life, and chief among them their major concerns. Sorry abel Mod if that seems too highbrow for you..or...perish the thought...even BORING but there are obviously others here who beg to differ.

I am sorry you see fit to underestimate the membership as you so easily do but I like to think that most are above average intelligence and as such have the ability, if not having the actual desire, to make such choices completely on their own without further coaching from Mods who see fit to interject only when attacking other posters. Colour me strange, just the way I am.

"Posting up huge pages of text is counter productive...": And yet totally within my rights under Forum Guidelines. Make a deal though, you tell me which part of the 3 posts contained any sperfulous information and I will gladly, even smilingly backtrack and redact it so as to make it more neat and to your liking. Of course you would be ENTIRELY CORRECT were I simply practing Cut and Paste but that has nevr happened and never will.


That thought then brings me to an unfortunate question I must pose to you. Knowing all your other taxing duties here, it is not all suprising that you would be unawares that even as we suffer through this exchange there are atrocious and insulting posts throught this same forum. Not a word on that though, is there? Only on how long my 3 posts are in subject matter that fails to light your fire. How telling and how very sad. Come to think of it, I will leave the 3 posts as are.

I sincerely than you for that stock journalism tip and if I ever trade in my rice mills for a newspaper endeavour will even frame it on my front office. Until then I think I will post as is, and continue to provide enlightening and informative infromation about people., places, and things of the Middle-East that would otherwise escape your membership...but most of all refrain from losing my civility as you clearly have on more than one occaison.
 
Diamond: While I was in Thailand and Cambodia for the first 3.5 months of 2008 I did not get up Laos way, although I dearly wanted. It is changing so, so fast and with its Opium Eradication Programme actually about to become the world's first endeavour in that sordid direction I am itching to see just how society is changing up there. The last great unspoiled piece of SE Asia.

I do ge to spend quite a bit of time there and while I would love to find some Crypto-Jews there, as of yet to my knowledge not one group exists. Aside from a curious fellow in PP in Cambodia who fashions himself a Rabi, quite hospitable as well mind you if you ever find your way down there, there is a large tribe on the Mynammar (Burma) and Assam (India) border. The "Chin."

The Chin seem to have been largely Animists until the middle of the 19th Century CE/AD when British missionaries began innundating the outer reaches of the Empire and stealing souls whereever possible. Naturaly, some of these Christian missionaries represented some frince Christian sects not least of whom were the 7th Day Adventists.

Fast forward to the WWII Era and long after almost all missioaries have high tied it out of the region. India as you migt know rarely lets foreigners into Assam State because of the various Liberationa Movements there, and we all must know the story with poor Burma.


Yet, acting on rumours of Crypto-Judaic customs and the like, intepid Jews have made their way over to that border area (I have been in Burma but trekked from Thailand to Yunnan, illegaly). Today several thousand Chin have made the leap from Cypto-Judaci practices to Orthadox Conversion and een roughly 8500 have made Aliyah and await many more of their brothers and sisters.

In today's world geentic science often lends a helping hand and while widely scattered people such as the Beta Yisroel and Falash Mura share certain haplotype markers do that prove their Jewish origins, the Chins are sadly lacking any such physical proof. This does not at all negate their claim to Jewishhood since one may convert if one is truly sincere...and so Chin continue to do so.


There is also a distinct minority within the Chin, mostly tied to the CLF (Chin Liberation Front) a group fighting a cross border war with both India and Burma for territoria autonomy if not indepndance outright who resent this characterisation as Chins being members of the Disapora and even formidable academics opine that what is probably taking place is a movement akin to the Black Hebrew Movement that crystallised in N. America in the very late 19th Cenrtury CE/AD, where Christians attempted to coopt major portions of the Jewish experience to rationalise thier own great suffering and to offer themself some hope of redemption.

I have met Chin in Israel and find them to be a fine People in so many ways and those who have converted are incredibly loyal Israelis. They tend to settle not too fr from the Black Hebrews interestingly enough.


There are also Crypto-Jews in Uganda and S. Africa among other places and those 2 tribes DO have genetic links to Jewry as a wholw.
 
Yep, that sounds like the Group that I heard about when I was in Laos/Northern Thailand. I remember that there was some disupte over whether the missionaries had found elements of Judaic-Christian imagery and traditions in the animist religions, implying that there were more ancient links, or whether it had been a straightforward matter of conversion followed by persecution leading to emigration.
 
Well then, let me be the one to enlighten you: I am absolutely livid that my govt. refuses t treeat these suffering descendants of Jews in any way, sahpe, or form resembling humanity while it freely offers all expense paid junkets to ethnic Russians who have one Jewish ex-wuiife and these Russians go on to establish further Organised Criminal Groups when not forming Neo-Nazi street gangs who terrify Holocaust Survivors in the one place on Earth they dreamned they would be safe. Clear then?


My desire is uniformity within the Absorption Ministry and an end to catering to special interest groups over national policy.
 
Diamond: Yep, that be them. Nice group, do not get me wrong but as Jewish as Chairman Mao although many have foud what we call "The True Path" and have even established their own village in the Negev.


You want to look into a really interesting group? Check out the "Lemba" in S. Africa, no doubts there.
 
Diamond: Yep, that be them. Nice group, do not get me wrong but as Jewish as Chairman Mao although many have foud what we call "The True Path" and have even established their own village in the Negev.


You want to look into a really interesting group? Check out the "Lemba" in S. Africa, no doubts there.

Yep, saw a fascinating program on Channel 4 (British TV channel) that you might want to look into downloading which had a large section on the Lemba. It was called something like 'The Search for the Ark' and consisted of a professor of Jewish History from SOAS tracing the literal route out of Israel of the Ark.

He concluded that it had probably gone south through Yemen and across into Zimbabwe with the Lemba and argued that he had found a copy of one of the Arks in a museum in Harare. The guy was called Tudor Parfitt. Well worth tracking that down if you're interested in that sort of thing.
 
Diamond: You know, I do not get UK TV here but amazingly, I do not know why chaneel, but on the cable system here I DID see that same show! I fail to agree with alot of his conclusions but there is no denying the Jewishness of the Lemba! Maybe the International History Channel but it was last winter so I cannot say with certainty.


It was still good watching and I am glad you liked it as well. Here I was thinking that true thinkers were in very short supply on U75 and you proved me wrong, and for once I like it.
 
Rachamim, are the Ethiopians an under-class within Israeli society? Do they get involved in crime to a disproportionate level, do they face racism in employment and schooling etc?
 
Well I thought that was bloody interesting and a far better read than endless posts about lulz and kitteh.

Comes to something when people's concentration spans have been so truncated by the internet that they get genuinely pissed off at someone publishing a longer post/article. Absolute height of lazy idiocy.

I'd agree with that.

Not everything can be condensed into twenty five words or less. We've become too accustomed to the ten second, tv soundbite.
 
I'd agree with that.

Not everything can be condensed into twenty five words or less. We've become too accustomed to the ten second, tv soundbite.
true - for what it's worth this has been by far the most interesting and informed thread I've read on urban today, and I've learned more from it about something I knew nothing about than any thread on here for ages.

there's hundreds of other threads filled with illinformed sound bites for those that prefer that kind of thing.

thanks rachimim, I've learnt something today:cool:
 
Phil: "Are the Beta and Falash part and parcel of an underclass within Israel?": Not at all at this point although, like every large incoming demographic they do have their problems. People in their community, of my generation or older, DO suffer more than comparably aged Israelis, with almost every one over age 35 permanantly on the Dole according to the Govt statistics which are suprisingly very reliable in this case.



Conversely, those younger, thevast majority of their demographic are excelling at a much faster pace than other Israelis. They have incredible sense of family, love of things Jewish, are socially and religiously conservative and as such are often targetted in hiring drives by important Israeli companies. They are well represented in all sectors now and all throughout the military which of course is the real mark of acceptance within Israel.


"Do Jews from Ethiopia have any criminal elements?": Actually, and this is pretty telling of the depth of their integrity, they do not have any real problem with criminality although the very young are assimilating all too well, inlcuding developing drug addictions which i a pressing problem all across the nation.

The worst by far, and I hate to say it with a mum with roots from Bessarabia, are the Jews from the former USSR. We have always had Organised Crime as I have explained pretty much in depth in a recent thread here ("Underbelly Pt I" I believe) but with the exponential increase in Aliyot from the former USSR this has increased many times over and with it the pursuant violence.

When our gangsters fight they tend to use C4 or RPGs and it is amazing to me that the West rarely, if ever, tries to report on it.


Free: Thanks for the kind words. I hope more Urbanites take it to heart.
 
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