Latest Livingstone scandal

[KeyboardJockey]

Ah, so you would like individual workers to have to pay for private lawyers to provide support when they need it at work, would you? Death to collectivism, eh?

Why don't you give up with your childish and constant references to what I do for a living? I am not speaking as a trade union official on this thread, so what I do for a living is irrelevant to everyone except you!

There is no collectivism left in the Labour party and the union beauracrats like Serwotka et al are more interested in lining their own pockets and hanging onto power.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Oh, so we are going to carry on the attack on trade unions, are we, even though it has nothing to do with the thread?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Oh, so we are going to carry on the attack on trade unions, are we, even though it has nothing to do with the thread?

Nah I'm just going to have a go at knee jerk mindless support by members of tthe left establishment for Livingslime. Thats not a personal dig by the way more a general dig at all those left supporters who wander into Livingscum threads saying hes the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[butchersapron]

Ah, so you would like individual workers to have to pay for private lawyers to provide support when they need it at work, would you? Death to collectivism, eh?

Why don't you give up with your childish and constant references to what I do for a living? I am not speaking as a trade union official on this thread, so what I do for a living is irrelevant to everyone except you!

No, i'd like the unions to dissafiliate from the Labour party.

 

[poster342002]

Ah, so you would like individual workers to have to pay for private lawyers to provide support when they need it at work, would you?

That's precisley what happens to workers who've paid union dues all their life only for their union to be so far up the management's arse that they get shat upon the only time they ask for help.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/public.htm

http://www.bullyonline.org/action/obstruct.htm

 

[Guineveretoo]

Nah I'm just going to have a go at knee jerk mindless support by members of tthe left establishment for Livingslime. Thats not a personal dig by the way more a general dig at all those left supporters who wander into Livingscum threads saying hes the best thing since sliced bread.

I didn't say anyone in this thread saying that he was the best thing since sliced bread, actually.

 

[Guineveretoo]

No, i'd like the unions to dissafiliate from the Labour party.

Well, why have a go at me about that, since I am not a member of the Labour party, and neither is the union for which I work!

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I didn't say anyone in this thread saying that he was the best thing since sliced bread, actually.

No but previous threads drawing attention to Livingslimes faults have been inundated with people saying 'oh you can't have a go he's one of ours' etc.

 

[Guineveretoo]

That's precisley what happens to workers who've paid union dues all their life only for their union to be so far up the management's arse that they get shat upon the only time they ask for help.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/public.htm

http://www.bullyonline.org/action/obstruct.htm

Sometimes things go wrong, and sometimes union members don't take advice from their reps.

Not sure how that is relevant to the Evening Standard running a vendetta against Livingstone?

 

[Guineveretoo]

No but previous threads drawing attention to Livingslimes faults have been inundated with people saying 'oh you can't have a go he's one of ours' etc.

He is certainly not one of mine

Although I do have newts in my garden pond every year - perhaps he and I should make friends?

 

[butchersapron]

Well, why have a go at me about that, since I am not a member of the Labour party, and neither is the union for which I work!

I didn't have a go at you about that.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

He is certainly not one of mine

Thats good to hear.

 

[poster342002]

I didn't say anyone in this thread saying that he was the best thing since sliced bread, actually.

Most of Livingstone's apologists just try and tar anyone who opposes him as being some sort of tory. The screeching that comes from some of them at the very idea of anyone daring to stand against him in election - as if it was some sort of abuse of proceedure - just sickens me, tbh.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I didn't have a go at you about that.

So, why did you mention it at all, then?

 

[Guineveretoo]

Most of Livingstone's apologists just try and tar anyone who opposes him as being some sort of tory. The screeching that comes from some of them at the very idea of anyone daring to stand against him in election - as if it was some sort of abuse of proceedure - just sickens me, tbh.

I have not actually seen that. I think even Livingstone would welcome a proper and full election process etc. etc.

He is wouldn't be able to be quite so arrogant if he hadn't actually been elected against others.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Thats good to hear.

Although I shall probably vote for him in the Mayoral elections, because I am quite worried that, not to do so, could lead to that wally Johnson being in charge! I don't think Paddick is a credible candidate, although I wait to see what his manifesto is when it is published.

 

[butchersapron]

So, why did you mention it at all, then?

Why did i mention the fact that i'd like to see the tories dissafilliate from Labour? It was in direct response to your hysterical question about if i'd like to see the death of the unions or collective worker representation. That was only 10 minutes ago that you asked as well - do try and keep up!

 

[Guineveretoo]

Why did i mention the fact that i'd like to see the tories dissafilliate from Labour? It was in direct response to your hysterical question about if i'd like to see the death of the unions or collective worker representation. That was only 10 minutes ago that you asked as well - do try and keep up!

I don't think I was being hysterical - I was responding to your completely off topic and irrelevant comment about what I do for a living, which then lead to

Here's to the labour machine crashing and burning in 2008

 

[Donna Ferentes]

the union beauracrats like Serwotka et al are more interested in lining their own pockets

Your specific reason for saying so?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Although I shall probably vote for him in the Mayoral elections, because I am quite worried that, not to do so, could lead to that wally Johnson being in charge! I don't think Paddick is a credible candidate, although I wait to see what his manifesto is when it is published.

I can't bring myself to vote for Livingslime. Mostly for the Olympics but also becuase of his ring licking arrogance and power grabbing. There is no way I would vote Tory never have and never will so its got to be Paddick.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Your specific reason for saying so?

cos they grandstand and don't give a fuck about their members. Quite happy to trouser the sort of wages that those who pay their subs can only dream about though.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think I was being hysterical - I was responding to your completely off topic and irrelevant comment about what I do for a living, which then lead to

Well, you were i'm afraid.

No, my on topic comment led to you wishing me a happy new year and to me returning it with a joke toast which then led to your nonsense about me wanting to see the break-up of unions and collective representation of workers. I don't think this exchange is going anywhere so i'll be leaving it here.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I can't bring myself to vote for Livingslime. Mostly for the Olympics but also becuase of his ring licking arrogance and power grabbing. There is no way I would vote Tory never have and never will so its got to be Paddick.

Not sure what you mean about the Olympics in relation to why you wouldn't vote for Livingstone?

I wouldn't vote for Paddick because I see no reason to. He is an ex copper who had a more open and lenient way of dealing with drugs than was the norm at the time, and who is openly gay. That is all I know about him, but, as I say, I will await his manifesto before deciding whether or not to vote for him.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Well, you were i'm afraid.

No, my on topic comment led to you wishing me a happy new year and to me returning it with a joke toast which then led to your nonsense about me wanting to see the break-up of unions and collective representation of workers. I don't think this exchange is going anywhere so i'll be leavfing it here.

You can call it hysteria if you like, but only I know how it was meant

It will certainly be a first if you do, indeed, leave this, since you don't seem to be able to stop yourself from having digs at me whenever you see me post.

How was it on topic for you to tell people what I did for a living in the context of this thread? I am not a member of the Labour party, nor an active supporter of Ken Livingstone.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

cos they grandstand and don't give a fuck about their members.

That's not really very specific for a charge of lining their own pockets, is it?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

That's not really very specific for a charge of lining their own pockets, is it?

What about the wages that most of PCS members for example could only dream about?

Fuckers look after their own and not their members.

 

[poster342002]

Not sure what you mean about the Olympics in relation to why you wouldn't vote for Livingstone?

I'll give you a reason for starters: his idiotic campaigning for them to be foisted on London despite the horrendous effect they'll have on the quality/cost of life for Londoners - especially those who are least well off. He could have championed the poor by campaigning against the bid, but oh no - he threw his full weight behind the stupid games. I'll never forget his shitty propaganda rag boasting that "support for olympics soars" (or words to that effect) - funny, 'cos I don't eveer recall being asked whenether we wanted the lympics. Just endless opportunities to "TEXT 'YES' To *****"" with no opportunity to register a vote against.

And if the cod-left wants to carry on defending this man and his indefensible antics just because he craps on about "diversity" every so often, go right ahead. I stopped considering the cod-left progressive in any way years ago.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

the cod-left

<world yawns, checks watch>

 

[Guineveretoo]

I seriously don't know the phrase "cod-left", and have no idea if that person thinks I am a member of it or not

 

[poster342002]

Re: The cod-left...

It's a bit like when someone refers to "cod-philosophy" or "cod-psychology".

Basically it refers to uninformed, talking-from-arse, inaccurate drivel from people who don't even have a first clue about the subject material. Hence the "cod-left" - which has actually managed to form (cringe-inducingly stupid and point-missing) political doctrine out of such practises. It's sort of like saying "the pretend left" or "the plastic left".