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[poster342002]

how can you be opposed to management and supervision. the world needs it to exsist.

How can the peasants at the bottom of the mountain be opposed to their lord and master in the tower? They need him for them to exist (and for him to take all their crops away from them).

 

[poster342002]

the bosses went and bought sweets at lunchtime to cheer us up.

Did they let you play on the blackboard for a while as well?

 

[Dan U]

How can the peasants at the bottom of the mountain be opposed to their lord and master in the tower? They need him for them to exist (and for him to take all their crops away from them).

you fucking numpty. this isn't 13th Century feudal Britain.



feel free to address the rest of my post though.

Sorry @ Chairman Meow! Glad those evil bosses are sorting out the error.

 

[poster342002]

you fucking numpty. this isn't 13th Century feudal Britain.

I suggest you tell that to all the managers who seem to think they own their staff.

 

[claphamboy]

Did they let you play on the blackboard for a while as well?

Jesbus you have one hell of a chip on that shoulder of yours.

BTW poster, if you don't mind me asking, are you a union member?

 

[Pingu]

you are rick from the young ones aicmfp

either that or wolfie smith

 

[zenie]

you are rick from the young ones aicmfp

either that or wolfie smith

Thing is they were about right for their time, 20 or 30 years ago....

 

[poster342002]

are you a union member?

Yes. And I'm one of the few people who actually strike when a strike occurs - almost everyone else just prances into work as usual. They're so professional, you see ...

 

[Dan U]

I suggest you tell that to all the managers who seem to think they own their staff.

how many places have you worked/been working and has this been, without fail, your experience?

i've worked for a couple of cunts but then i've worked with some complete cunts when i was driving a van as well.

 

[claphamboy]

Yes. And I'm one of the few people who actually strike when a strike occurs - almost everyone else just prances into work as usual. They're so professional, you see ...

Well done on the first bit, sorry to hear about the second bit.

Which union is this?

 

[Santino]

You rarely get more out of poster### than vague hints at what his job is and exactly what the people he works with get up to.

 

[poster342002]

Well done on the first bit, sorry to hear about the second bit.

Which union is this?

I'd rather not give out too much personal info on the net.

I'd venture that unionisation is meaningless in workplaces where everyone scabs on strikr days, identifies with the management nomatter what and will gladly cheer on every single attack on their own working conditions. Seriously; every single attack on our conditions is sycophantically viewed as "quite right too" by most of the workforce. Anyone standing up and vocally opposing it is left to do so on their own and made to feel like a fool.

See my reasons for my bleak cynicism, now?

 

[Dan U]

See my reasons for my bleak cynicism, now?

not really.

that posts suggests you have more reason to dislike your fellow workers who you profess to show solidarity with as opposed to the managers.

in summary then, you dislike everyone except for you. every day for poster is the winter of our discontent.

 

[claphamboy]

I'd rather not give out too much personal info on the net.

I can understand, that but surely naming a union is not giving anything away?

It’s not like anyone could pinpoint whom you work for from union membership, as unions tend to operate over sectors of employment not individual employers and have thousands of members.

 

[poster342002]

not really.

that posts suggests you have more reason to dislike your fellow workers who you profess to show solidarity with as opposed to the managers.

in summary then, you dislike everyone except for you. every day for poster is the winter of our discontent.

There are very few workers - most are management and are also union memers - something I think has actually deprived the few remaining workers of de facto having a union seperate from the interests of their bosses.

It is utterly fucked up.

 

[poster342002]

I can understand, that but surely naming a union is not giving anything away?

It’s not like anyone could pinpoint whom you work for from union membership, as unions tend to operate over sectors of employment not individual employers and have thousands of members.

True, but I think it's best to be careful when it comes to online privacy.

 

[Santino]

It is very generous of companies to employ so many 'managers' when they apparently don't do any real work.

 

[Mitre10]

There are very few workers - most are management

How do you define "workers" and "management"?

 

[poster342002]

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[poster342002]

It is very generous of companies to employ so many 'managers' when they apparently don't do any real work.

I often find myself wondering about this very question, actually. So many orgs now seem to exist solely to process their own bloated HR depts' endlesss fuckwitted "initiatives" (which are treated as a higher prority than the actual work). Machines who'se only purpose is to feed themselves.

 

[claphamboy]

There are very few workers - most are management.

I find that very odd, I've never come across nor worked for any employer where most of the employees are managers.

 

[Mitre10]

I find that very odd, I've never come across nor worked for any employer where most of the employees are managers.

Thats what I was thinking.

It appears that posternumbers thinks that workers and management are mutually exclusive...

 

[Santino]

You would think that ruthless capitalist bosses would shy away from employing people who weren't making them money.

 

[Mitre10]

The tiny handful of workers at wherever posternumbers works must be bloody good at their jobs though to keep the huge number of fat-cat management layabouts in their colossal salaries...

 

[poster342002]

You would think that ruthless capitalist bosses would shy away from employing people who weren't making them money.

I agree. I'm no longer sure why they're doing it other than for some bizarre, lost-the-plot kind of point of principal, perhaps? Maybe the weight of their own contradictions is catching up? The ruling classes have allowed their "enforcement-corps" to become so bloated that the tail now wags the dog? They've become an end unto themselves rather than a means to an end?

I'm genuinely not sure. I think it answers a fair bit about why the UK (public and private sector) is such an inefficient mess nowadays, though. Running management "systems" is deemed more important than acheiving or delivering anything.

 

[Santino]

I'm genuinely not sure.

 

[xenon]

You would think that ruthless capitalist bosses would shy away from employing people who weren't making them money.

Maybe it's public sector?

 

[poster342002]

Maybe it's public sector?

Both the public and private sector seem to behave like this. They both seem to have bloated managements and HR depts that are totally out of control and apt to make the most pervserse judgements based on the personal spite and egos of individual managers - nomatter what damage these decisions could make to the orgnisations concerned. I've seen employers spend absurd amounts of money fighting their own employees when they could simply have settled a greivnace by moving the worker concerned to another area.

From the capitalists' own point of view, this bonkers bloody-mindedness is against their own interests - yet they do nothing to discourage it.

 

[Santino]

Both the public and private sector seem to behave like this. They both seem to have boated managements that are totally out of control and apt to make the most pervserse judgements based on the personal spite and egos of individual managers - nomatter what damage these decicsions could make to the orgnaisations converned.

It's a wonder how any of them make an honest profit.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The ones that do can sod off, then. You can't be on both sides of the fence at once - nomatter how much the managerial-apologists of the cod left say you can.

*Thus is how solidarity has been abolished in such "professional" environments, btw. Everyones someone's boss and sees themselves as such, so out the window goes any notion of sticking together against the employer.

Sounds like the impotent whine of the perennial non-achiever to me. You don't have the ability to get off the first rung of the ladder, so no one else should. Typical fucking left winger, drag everyone down to the same miserable level.